This episode is about to rock your hormonal world. We dive into self-care, emotions, and healing past traumas.
Dr. Sonya Jensen is a Naturopathic Physician that has a mission to change the way women understand their bodies and themselves. She believes that women are the center of their families and communities and therefore by supporting them, she is creating a ripple effect that will support the whole.
Dr. Jensen is a mother of two boys, a yoga teacher, a workshop and retreat leader, and runs her practice with her husband where they help their community move into a state of thriving from surviving. She believes it is everyone’s birthright to live a happy, healthy, joyful, and abundant life.
In this podcast, The Underlying Emotions of Your Hormone Imbalances, we cover:
How emotions can cause hormone imbalances
All about the connection between our emotions and our hormones
The ways that childhood trauma can alter our hormones
How to take control of your personal story
How Emotions Cause Hormone Imbalances
Hormones in our body are dramatically influenced by our emotions and by the environment in which we live. The womb space is where we create life if we are meant to create life in this lifetime. When we are threatened, when we feel unsafe, and when there’s trauma in our psyche, our emotional body and physical body will respond. Our body is always trying to serve us, especially our hormones. Hormones will try and create a whole new community because they’re feeling lost and not secure and not safe where they are.
The Connection Between Emotions And Hormone Imbalances
Looking at Chinese medicine, they’ve always put an emotion with an organ. For instance, the liver is anger, and the lungs are fear. When you take it a step further, and you look at the reproductive organs, absolutely, you can start to understand a woman’s story. It might even be a little bit unique for each woman as she starts to discover the most profound knowledge of herself and the emotion that’s tied to her self-worth. Our breast tissue is for nourishment. So if you’re not nourishing yourself, you are always nourishing others; what’s going to show up here? You are going to feel stuck.
How Trauma Will Play Out For The Rest of Your Life
When we can have that pause moment, we recognize, okay, who does this response and this reaction and this body reaction belong to? We all know that when we’re under stress or when there’s a trigger that maybe reminds us of trauma, the body is going to respond. When we’re in trauma, the body, the mind, or the brain is trying to remember what’s happened—defining trauma is essential because sometimes we think of it as something massive, like a big event. However, it can be something small that occurred in your lifetime. Triggers show up because we are wired to survive. So, our hormonal story is constantly changing.
Find Awareness About Your Story & Your Traumas
The most critical piece is awareness. You can choose to understand that not every story belongs to you. You can start to change your story; you literally will change your life, hormones, and body. All your stories will create a personality within you. Young girls are getting booty lifts, breast implants, and Botox. These women believe that they are not beautiful and they are not good enough. Our hormones are a mess, and they are screaming. When we’re in disconnect, we look for things outside to help us feel connected again. In moments of trauma, pieces of our soul start to redistribute themselves. Then, our hormones are constantly just relaying messages.
Sonya Jensen So when we can have that pause moment to really recognize, okay, who does this response and this reaction and this body reaction belong to because we all know that when we’re under stress, or when there’s a trigger that maybe reminds us of a trauma, the body’s gonna respond.
Dr. Mindy I am a woman on a mission that is dedicated to teaching you just how powerful your body was built to be. I like to do that by bringing you the latest science, the greatest thought leaders and applicable steps that help you tap into your own internal healing power. The purpose of this podcast is to give you the power back and help you believe in yourself again, my name is Dr. Mindy pals, and I want to thank you for spending part of your day with me. On this episode of the resetter podcast, I bring you a dear friend of mine, Dr. Sonia Jensen, who is about to rock your hormonal world. So Dr. Sonia and her husband are natural paths in Vancouver, Canada. And I was blessed to meet them about seven years ago as I was going through my menopausal journey. And one of the things that I first noticed about Dr. Sonia was the level of love and care that oozed out of her. And as I was trying to put my menopausal picture together, she kept saying to me, Mindy, you got to think about self care, you’ve got to think about emotions, you’ve got to heal past traumas. And I we became such good friends and and she had such a deep level of insight for me, she was actually the one who told me about the Russian woman syndrome and Dr. Libby Weaver. And I just always, in her presence feel like she’s got my back and that she’s looking at my hormones from a different angle than anybody has ever looked at hormones before. So a year ago, when she said she was going to write a book on healing hormones, I encouraged her and said absolutely got to get that book out to the world. And so it is now out to the world I have read several chapters from it is going to change the way that we look at hormones. But in this episode, you’re going to hear her talk about how emotions can literally transform our endocrine glands. So if you’re not familiar with endocrine glands, they are the glands that are making hormones. And our past traumas are the way that we were modeled behaviors in childhood, even we even talk about in the womb, how you take on different emotional patterns that will cause our endocrine system, our hormonal system to go awry, when we go through puberty when we go through pregnancy when we go through menopause. And that if we’re aware of these emotional triggers and traumas and we work on healing them, we can truly heal our hormonal system. So we went everywhere from how what we learned about our endocrine system as children, too, could we heal pcls? Could we heal infertility? Could we heal have a less bumpy menopause if we tapped into these emotional triggers that are affecting our hormones, and we finished up with how healing Mother Earth is going to heal our hormones. And I think you will find that her heart is one of the biggest that I know and I think you will fall in love with her as much as I have. I cannot wait to get her book to you. It’s called woman unleashed. And we will have a landing page for it so you guys can pre order it. Nobody that I know of is having discussions about hormones at this depth. And no one is in informing us or enlightening us to look at hormones from an emotional slant. So if you are on a journey of hormonal health, I promise you you will not be disappointed by this episode. You will think of your hormones from a new whole new light. And as always, if you love this episode, please send it out into the world. We really need to heal up not only our planet but we need to heal women right now. Women are struggling with their health and our and our out of answers and podcasts like this. really start to change the conversation and give women the power back and give women a new paradigm of health in which to step into. So my dear friend Dr. Sonia Jensen. I am so pleased to present this podcast to you.
Okay resetera is I have a really cool new product for you that Organa FIDE just put out and it’s called harmony, beautiful name for what it does. It helps balance hormones. And specifically, it’s going to help with progesterone production, which Hello, so many of us need more progesterone to calm ourselves and feel better. So it has three nutrients in it that I’m really excited about. It has Makkah, and it has chaste tree, which is going to help with progesterone production, but they also put stinging nettles in it, which is a really cool nutrient. Don’t worry, you’re not going to taste it or, or feel any stinging on your tongue. But stinging nettles is an incredible detoxifier. So I always say that just because you make a hormone doesn’t mean you’re using that hormone and that you’re breaking that hormone down into a nutrient that you can actually put into action. Well, when we detox when we support our liver with things like stinging nettles, now we’re supporting the liver. We’re using maka and chase tree to help make progesterone. And you’ve got an incredible product that’s going to help us burst our progesterone stores. The other really cool thing about this product that I’m excited about is how do we use it with our cycle. So remember, you’re getting the most amount of progesterone the week before you’re before your cycle starts. So what if we lean into harmony doing a scoop two skips maybe even three skips a day before the week before our cycle and see if it brings our progesterone stores up. And postmenopausal women, we need progesterone more than any other person on the planet. So a scoop every day would keep your progesterone stores up. So it’s called harmony, it’s chocolaty, which is really good. I put it in some probiotic rich yogurt, and it was like a dessert. I’m really excited about this product as hopefully you can tell. And remember Organa phi will always give you 25% off if you use this code, it’s Organa phi.com, forward slash pills. That’s Organa phi.com forward slash pills. Let me spell it for you, O r, g a NIFI da.com. forward slash pals PLZ. So check it out. Let me know what you think. And happy hormone balancing. I want to start with this thought. So thank you for sending me some of the sample chapters. I am so excited for this book to come out your concepts around hormones. I hate to use the word revolutionary because that seems so like snazzy and, and like promo II. But this idea that our hormones are influenced by emotions, and that we have these emotions influence even the tissues that drive our hormones. This blows me away. So I want to start off with this question you write in your book about endometriosis, and how the uterine tissue was made for this is the way it was made for connection. And when we’re not getting connection in our lives, that tissue will malfunction. So what I heard and correct me if I’m wrong, what I’ve heard is that the tissues that control hormones in our body are dramatically influenced by our emotions by the environments in which we live in. Is that correct?
Sonya Jensen Absolutely. Yeah, there’s I mean, there’s so many layers to that piece, man your head on with understanding the fact that that specific area or uterus is really about connection. That womb space is where we create life if we are meant to create life in this lifetime. And when we are threatened, when we are feeling unsafe when there’s trauma in our psyche, our emotional body and our physical body, that space itself will respond. And what I’ve noticed over the years with working women and I start to notice pattern, you know, these women would go through specific traumas, whether in their childhood or lessons or even later in life, whether it was sexual abuse, or really hard divorce. One particular woman that came to me she grew up in a household where her parents were organics. So she didn’t know who was going to walk into that door. And she felt unsafe all the time. So she felt like she always had to hide, and she had endometriosis, these other women’s also had endometriosis, what I started to see is that this tissue, you know, because our body is always trying to serve us, especially our hormones, and then will would go and expand itself to go high, kind of like cancer cells. And you know why they’re trying to create this whole new community because they’re feeling lost and not secure and not safe where they are. So they look for it somewhere else. And that’s kind of the pattern that occurred in many women that I’ve been working with.
Dr. Mindy So It has me thinking about my own menopausal journey. Because then I’m thinking, so does every organ that has an influence over hormones have the same emotional connection. So as I am going through menopause, is there an emotion associated with the ovaries as the ovary start to wind down? Are there unresolved emotions that are in the ovaries that will make my menopausal journey more turbulent?
Sonya Jensen Absolutely. There’s, we were talking a little bit about my triangle of disconnect. And one of the masks that are in there is the damsel. So this is the woman that is always in service to her community, to her families is always giving and, you know, giving from a space where she really believes that’s what she needs to do, but it’s also tied to herself and significance in this world. And as we’re doing that, and then as we start moving through stages of like perimenopause, and menopause, and we’re moving into these reflective years, we have these moments of Okay, wait a moment, what did I do for myself. And then in that moment, there’s resentment, hidden resentment that can show up. So with the ovaries, I’ve found over and over again, women that have been giving an empty cup over and over again, will have ovarian cysts show up. My mother is a perfect example. She’s been serving her family her whole life, and she has set out with 19 centimeters in diameter by perimenopause, menopause years. And it really was that hidden resentment, that hidden anger almost and that hidden or hiding of herself of who she really was just never having an opportunity to fully self Express and his reproductive organs are all about self expression that’s not there. Naturally, our subconscious tendencies is going to be to resent maybe our environment, maybe ourselves, maybe our background, our cultures, and all the stories that we’ve been told about ourselves.
Dr. Mindy So could you take every hormonal tissue every endocrine organ, and and look at its malfunction and look at the condition that was created or labeled from that malfunction and say, Okay, here’s the emotion associated with it. Like, could we say, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, infertility, like do each one of those have an emotional tie to the malfunctioning of those endocrine systems? You
Sonya Jensen know, when we look at the bigger picture of that, and looking at Chinese medicine, they’ve always put an emotion with an organ, right? Like liver is anger, the lungs are fear. And when you take it step further, and you look at the reproductive organs, absolutely, you can start to understand a woman’s story. And it might even be a little bit unique for each woman to as she starts to discover the deepest knowing of herself and the emotion that’s tied to her self worth, I think it always comes back to that. And when she starts to understand that and starts to understand that, you know, our breast tissue is for nourishment. So if I’m not nourishing myself, I’m always nourishing others, what’s going to show up here, I’m going to feel stuck, I’m going to feel stuck in my life. So now the lymphatics my breasts are stuck. And now the cells you know, if I’m not feeling in community, I’m not getting those oxytocin hits that I need to feel like I’m connecting to the world and myself. And then those cells are going to start again growing their own little community because I’m not getting that from my outside world or my internal world.
Dr. Mindy So please tell me you put all the different conditions and all the different emotions in your book I has Yeah, okay good cuz I’m, it reminds me a little bit of Louise Hay healed I was healed myself was her first book where she talked about emotions and, and illnesses. A good friend of ours all Andrea always talks about feelings buried alive are ferret feelings buried alive, I forget the name. But it’s basically about when you shove your feelings down, you create disease in your body, and you create symptoms in your body. So one of the things that I’m trying to do on our resetter podcast and on YouTube and in our community, is really changed the discussion around hormones. I feel like we don’t have enough. We’re just told that your hormones show up. And it’s the reason that you bleed, and then they go, it’s the reason you can get pregnant. And it’s and then they go away. And then you have these weird symptoms, and you should medicate it like, women do not have enough information on hormones. And you bring a totally new conversation to the hormonal culture that I think is really important for women to understand. So is there a way for us to ask ourselves a question when we feel like our hormones are off that so that we understand what that underlying emotion may be? That is causing the malfunction of those hormones?
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Sonya Jensen the question that I asked myself is, who does this emotion belong to right now? Because when we’re talking about the masks, right, the different roles that we play the different masks that we’ve had to put on, so that we can survive life we can get through the day. Sometimes we’re operating from that mask or from that role. So if I can ask myself, okay, who does this one belong to? Why am I responding to this trigger in this moment, this way? And the moment I start asking it questions, I get different answers. I’m no more in that reactive space. I’m in that space of freedom. I write a whole chapter on that space. Actually, that gives us that freedom. Viktor Frankl, I don’t know if you’re at all I yes, that buddy. Yeah. And he has a quote, and he says that our freedom lies between the stimulus and our reaction. It’s that moment in between, so I call them our pause moments. So when we can have that pause moment, we really recognize, okay, who does this response and this reaction and this body reaction belong to because we all know that when we’re under stress, or when there’s a trigger that maybe reminds us of a trauma, the body’s going to respond, there was a study done in the early 1990s, I giggle every time I say, early 1990s, because that’s when I grew up. And now that I’m saying it in that way. I feel old. Welcome to the world. of aging, it’s wonderful. There was a study Dad, where they took a group of individuals that had trauma maybe 10 1320 years ago, and they wanted to see what was happening in the brain and happening in the body. So what they did was they asked them to tell them what happened in that traumatic event. And then they created an audio that would play while they were in the scanner, so that they can scan their brains to see what was happening. They also helped them up to to see if their vitals were changing like their blood pressure, their heart rate and their breath. So what they noticed is when they were relaying this audio, first off, their physiology would change right there, we’ll get into that fight or flight. And the interesting thing of what happened with the brain is that their speech area and the right or the left frontal lobe, which is the broca area, it shut down, you know, so that ability to articulate what just happened completely shut down. What increased was the amygdala action. So that’s part of our limbic system. So you know, because when we’re in trauma, the body, the mind, or the brain is trying to remember what’s happened. It’s taking in the sounds of taking in the sights, it’s taking in facial expressions, all of that. So that area really heightened and was like, I’m on high alert, we’re in danger, we need to fix this, I need my emotions to show up. The other part that actually went up was the visual cortex, the Bradman’s area, I believe. And that area, what that does, it takes our everyday life like this is a computer, okay, I got that visual, I’m going to send it to a different part of my brain to create a meaning around that visual. So what was interesting is that they were just hearing this audio of what happened, but their visual was as if it was happening in that moment. Wow. Now bringing that into our every day, right? So if we’d had a trauma in our lifetime, and you know, defining trauma to I think is important, because sometimes we think of it as something really big, like a big event. And absolutely many people have those, it could be as simply as maybe as a child you do all over the walls, and your parents got really disappointed with your action. But you felt like you, you are wrong, right? So you take that on as your self worth or as your story. So then triggers in our everyday and it could be you know, traffic, it could be something at work, it could be your partner looking at you in a certain way. And all of a sudden, all of that shows up again, because we’re wired to survive. So when that’s happening in every moment, I mean, imagine what’s happening to our hormonal story in that moment. I hope that answer your question.
Dr. Mindy Yeah, no. And I have I have a couple of questions on it. So this is what’s really trippy right now. And I’m sure Jessica, she’s listening to this as having this experience. We are hearing the same. You’re the third interview of the last three we’ve done that we are hearing the same message, which is your traumas from childhood, the way that you are modeled certain behaviors, the way that you were seeing the world plays out the rest of your life. I interviewed Bruce Bruce Lipton a week ago, and he talked about zero to seven that were in a theta wave state. And so we’re in this place of sort of hypnosis, and anything that gets modeled to us now becomes a program in our brain. You know, yesterday, I interviewed Libby Weaver who you introduced me to and her teachings and she talked about how When you are feeling stressed and rushing through your day, that a lot of times you are playing an old pattern of wanting to please whoever you’re going to get to the, if you’re rushing to the next thing and you’re running late and you’re upset, you’re trying to please the person you’re trying to get to, which is something that was modeled to you when you were younger. And now what I hear you saying is that when you’ve had a trauma, the body, the body remembers it never lets go, and now you have a hormonal shift that’s with you for the rest of your life, is that the way you look at it,
Sonya Jensen that is exactly how I look at it. So we our lens that we’ve are viewing the world from is from all those stories. So from things that have been modeled, so it’s going into our subconscious mind from zero to seven, from experiences that we’ve had to now we’ve created a story around, okay, in order to survive, in order to belong, in order to be okay, in this world, I have to shift and change and put this mask on, so that I’m not called out. And that happens in the womb, right? So when we’re in the vz, we can listen, we understand what our environments going to be like. And we can change our phenotype, how we’re going to look what we’re going to be like in order to fit into that new environment. Because we need to survive, tribes survive together, we can’t survive on our own. So I think the first trauma that we experienced is actually birth. When you think about what’s happening in the womb, you’re in this like safe and secure space where everything that you need is given to you. You don’t have to do anything, you don’t have to be anything, you just be you and all that you need is given. So that deep moment of connection is there. And the moment you’re birthed into the world, you now have to morph yourself in writing day one, right? Because we see expressions from our parents, okay, when I cry, they look like this, when I’m happy. They look like this. So maybe I should stay like this so that I can please them. Right? You have these experiences throughout our life that create these masks for us or these personalities for us, which then start to tie into how our hormones are also developing. So our DGA starts to rise at age three. Right? So we’re starting hormone story very young, in the womb of our grandmother, when our mother was in there, we were being created hate the ovary, the follicle, the egg that carried our imprint was already developing in her. Well, now we’re not it’s not just our story we’re carrying our mothers we’re creating our grandmothers are this ancestral stuff. I mean, they’ve now gone back 14 generations with genetics to see that we’re carrying these genes forward for kin generation. And that’s all they’ve studied. I’m sure there’s even more. So it’s so
Dr. Mindy fascinating. So you know, Bruce Lipton talks about how when he discovered epi genetics, the way that he really looks at epigenetics is around the outside of the gene is a vibrational energy that’s responding to our thoughts. So are you saying that when my mother was in my grandmother’s womb, the thought pattern of my grandmother was getting imprinted obviously, into my mother, but it was also getting imprinted in me in the eggs as they were developing inside of her? Yeah,
Sonya Jensen the story was already developing. So is
Dr. Mindy it is this why it’s hard to not turn out like your mother?
Sonya Jensen I think so. This is why we really have to reassess right what our story is, no matter how hard you try, there are moments in my life to when I’m with my kids. I’m like, oh, there it is. Yes, no, there’s that moment with that I thought I would never ever say this to my child or behave this way. But here I am. And so yes, absolutely. And
Dr. Mindy so how does it show up? Does it show up in the how different body parts work and the conditions we get? We call that genetic? But does it show up in our personality and our behaviors? Does it show up in our cravings? Like I always laugh, my mom used to have so many potato chips in our house. And when I started to shop for myself, I was like, I’m never getting potato chips. And strangely at 51, I have a craving for potato chips. Is that my mom’s fault?
Sonya Jensen for that one, it could be your mom’s fault. And it could be you know, lifestyle patterns that we saw. And it could be comfort, right? Because as we’re aging, we’re we’re looking for that comfort and that connection, again, that we had as a child. So I mean, I see all of us like when there’s a woman sitting in front of me, I’m not just looking at her at 50 or at 40. I’m looking at her inner child, like what that inner child maybe was missing, was needing or was thriving with, that’s the person that um, want to heal or help heal or help bring out because I feel that when we really move into that space, we start true connection with ourselves and like true healing with ourselves too. So I think the potato chips really are just like a pathway of like, okay, you know, on aging, there’s things that are changing within me. So how do I grab onto that comfort again?
Dr. Mindy fascinated. So it’d be like my cells are craving it because it’s a connection. connection to my mother with an unknown connection. Yeah. Fascinating. Okay, so here’s what we’re what I, my brain goes to next, which is, we first have to have the awareness that what showing up for us today isn’t just a byproduct of what I did yesterday, or today, that what I’m hearing from you is that any hormonal imbalance I’m having today? Any any endocrine disruption that I’m having today, any endocrine gland, whether it’s thyroid, or uterus or breast, that that could have been set in motion in me in the womb. So how do I rectify that? How do I change that?
Sonya Jensen Yeah, I think what you said first was, the most important piece is the awareness. Right? So okay, this story does not belong to me. And the moment we have an awareness, we start to see the world in a very different way, we start to recognize the pattern that we have created to navigate our world. And you know, I’ll use myself as an example. So when I was young, and going back to that, you know, the trauma pieces. And I’m, I’ve shared this story with the two of you before, at one of our masterminds, there was a moment where I was in a room with two older men and a cousin of mine, and what was happening should not happen to young women to young girls. And what that created in me, was a pattern to make sure that I take care of myself, I built on walls around my heart, I held with me a lot of shame and guilt for not being able to speak in that moment to save my cousin. So therefore, I became a rescuer. I became a doctor, I wanted to rescue everyone in my path. So I think these generational traumas, stories, all the things, our own personal ones, what they do is they create this personality, then that helps us make sure that we don’t ever experience that pain again. So when we’re in that moment, now, there’s you know, triggers happening in life. There’s relationships that we’re inviting into our life that maybe are going to show us how we can heal that. But in that moment, it doesn’t feel that way. And for me, personally, what happened is my uterus just blew up. Right? It was always inflamed. Especially my my first marriage. And the other thing that happened was I had PCs, not even knowing it until just a few years ago, I realized I had this moment as I was helping another woman. I’m like, I had PCs before. And I didn’t even know that at that age, that that’s what was going on. And I think these things start to show up when so a I had the awareness that something happened. The other stuff that happened was even that in that awareness, there was real denial, like, Oh, I don’t think so. But then it got confirmed. All the triggers showed up. My husband, the two of you know, is lovely. Yes, he is a beard. And over an entire year,
Dr. Mindy there was this quarantine beard.
Sonya Jensen It was this quarantine beard he married, it triggered me every single day because it brought me back to my trauma, and brought me back to a statement of that man’s beard. And I couldn’t, I couldn’t articulate it. Well, I couldn’t put it into words, but it was it was the smell the the feeling, all of that. So what that did, it created challenges in our intimacy, it created challenges in my everyday with him because I was being triggered by this. That happened long ago. And that was the year that my hormones got thrown off to and even though I’m the one that helps women with hormone, right, does all the things right? And all of a sudden, now my body’s telling me like, hey, there’s some work to be done. So to answer your question, I think that first set of awareness like that takes time to really sink into and and realize like, Wow, I’ve been making life decisions based on that reality for so long. Yeah. And I’m protecting myself, guarding myself, making decisions to make sure I was safe and not really experiencing life. Because that moment, but then that also gives you freedom, all of a sudden, it’s like, okay, okay, I can I can shift this now I can bring into my toolbox. Tools, whether that’s meditation, yoga, hypnotherapy, EMDR, eye Fs, or body therapy, whatever that is for that individual to really move this out of my psyche and my physical form, so that I can make room to create a life that I actually want from this version of me. The one that’s right, yeah,
Dr. Mindy right. So would you say then that every condition that involves hormones, that’s not resolving? I’m gonna say not resolving? I mean, I assume it could resolve and you wouldn’t have to look at your emotions. But eventually you end up having to look, I’m learning this as I age here, I’m on this planet. I’m like, Oh, yeah, pretty soon you have to deal with your junk. Or it shows up in new ways. But a lot of women, what I hear is they’re stuck with their hormones, they can’t figure it out. They’re frustrated. pcls I was think about that, as you were talking, like pcls is the most common hormonal imbalance. So it there feels like when I listened to you talk, that there’s an elephant in the room of all women that we’re not addressing, which was, what is your what happened to you in the past that could have created dysfunction in in this moment now and is making it so that your body can’t heal?
Sonya Jensen Yeah. And the amazing thing is, it’s all in here, right to mind, right? So right, you can start to really change our story, we literally will change our life, we will change our hormones will change our bodies. So when we start to see the story that we’ve been playing out from the beliefs that we’ve been given about ourselves, and a lot of them, you know, maybe they came generational, maybe it’s from social media, maybe it’s from Hollywood, maybe it’s from whatever story of a young boy that maybe broke our heart. And then we created a story around that all these stories are important. And all these stories will create a personality within you. And then from there, you’re going to take action. So whether that’s to maybe get breast implants, maybe that’s you know, young girls, today, I’m noticing are getting booty lifts all the time. And I had this one woman come in, she’s getting a booty Labs is getting a breast implant. She’s getting Botox done. She has 25 pads for young woman, but she has a belief that she is not beautiful, she is not good enough. And so we change ourselves to morph ourselves into these boxes over and over again. And our hormones are a mess, because they’re screaming. They’re saying, hey, you’re enough. It’s okay, we can do this.
Dr. Mindy So would you say in that scenario, I think it would be very easy for most people to go, Well, that’s society. She’s reading the magazine. She’s trying to match herself. It’s what her culture is doing. But what I hear you saying is that, no, there was something in her upbringing, or maybe in the womb that triggered the I’m not good enough. I’m not beautiful enough. And she has now carried that in trying to constantly make herself live up to that moment.
Sonya Jensen Yeah, so when that original belief is there, then we’re going to look to the outside world to fill that gap, to help us feel that belonging piece and that connection piece. So when we’re in disconnect, we look for things outside to help us feel connected again, I feel like in moments of trauma, like pieces of our soul start to kind of be distributed themselves. And we spend a lifetime trying to bring that in. And maybe that’s with food, maybe that’s with alcohol. And maybe that’s with just how we’re perceiving the world. And these decisions that we make, but all of them have an impact. And then our hormones, what they do as they’re constantly just relaying messages, right, the message that they’re getting from their environment from from our thoughts are like, okay, I’ll go give this message to your thyroid or to your adrenals. And now we’re in this state of dis ease and discomfort, because there’s so much miscommunication happening between the hormones.
Dr. Mindy Amazing. So now I kind of am thinking about this from both angles, and my brain like is grabbing it, and then it’s like, oh, wait, like any new paradigm shifting concept. I feel like I don’t know if you have this. I feel like my brain grabs it, and then it disappears. And then it grabs it and then it disappears. But there’s so much continuity in what Bruce Lipton said what Libby Weaver said and what you said, and I’m now going okay, gosh, I thought parenting was a really important job. But I never realized, like how flippin important it was. So let’s start from the place of if you were raising a child right now, if you were bringing up like, especially if it gets if it was a girl, though, I’m sure this plays out for boys too. What can you do as a parent to be protective of the emotional space that your child is growing up in? So you don’t end up with hormonal problems down the road? Is there anything we can do? Or is that really impossible?
Sonya Jensen That’s a loaded question. Especially as a parent trying to answer it, and much of all of this, I think, we do the best that we can. And when we have this knowledge, I think the more vulnerable we are with our children to share with them our beliefs That maybe were put onto us. So, you know, I have a lot of us moments with my kids, I grew up as an indo Canadian. So being in the Indian culture, how I was brought up is very different than how my children are being brought up. So I bring those stories into our everyday. And it can be something as simple as like, they just go to their friend’s house, and it’s not a big deal. For me, that was a huge deal, navigating to different cultures. And so I bring in that story of like, you know, what, sometimes I get triggered by certain things of what you guys say, because I didn’t have that upbringing, I was brought up very differently. So I have to like, pause and see that, okay, this isn’t my story anymore. This is yours. And I’m not always going to be perfect. So I think the more we can just be vulnerable and conversate with them about our imperfections, because there’s no such thing as perfect parenting. Right? I think that’s when we give them freedom to be imperfect, imperfect.
Dr. Mindy Beautifully said. So being knowing yourself and knowing where your weaknesses I don’t another way to say it, your triggers were, were what showing up for you and expressing that to your child so that you’re not continuing the dysfunction through the generations could be quite helpful.
Sonya Jensen Absolutely. In many cultures, they say if you heal, you’re healing seven generations forward and seven generations back. So the moment you become self aware, and you do this, like self discovery, and, you know, for women, we’re talking about hormones, right now, when you start to kind of put the pieces of the puzzle together, it gives you so much freedom to just be yourself. And like it’s okay that you’re having a bad day because you know why you’re having It’s okay, that you’re having that craving for those carbs, right at the end of last chapter, you
Dr. Mindy can say it. With the right oils.
Sonya Jensen Yeah, it’s okay. your libido is low. You don’t have to be high alert all the time. It’s okay. Right? I think the more we just give ourselves permission to be, the easier it becomes to navigate these hormones. Yeah, yeah,
Dr. Mindy well said. So now I’m thinking from the other end. So I’m thinking from my menopausal brain, that when I’m having symptoms, for example, one of the symptoms I really did not appreciate as I’ve gone through this menopausal journey is that body anxiety where it’s like, I can’t relax. And of course, my clinical brain is like, oh, you’re low in progesterone. So you need to relax, you need eat more carbs? Like I go into my clinical space? Is there a deeper question I could ask myself that would help me touch it tap into the emotional part of why progesterone may not be showing up for me? Is there some way of maybe in through meditation that I can get to a deeper answer? That’s more than just chill out?
Sonya Jensen Yeah. So you know, these being the reflective years first looking at where you are, and where you have been? Where have you felt that feeling before? When did this sensation show up? Or when was it in your menstrual years that you didn’t maybe feel grounded? Or maybe you felt that extra pressure on life? So reflecting on that, and then how it’s presenting in today? And then also reflecting forward of Okay, well, how do I want to navigate this for going forward? You know, understanding Yes, there’s a hormonal piece there’s progesterone is probably low, the drugs are probably fatigue. The thyroid is probably working extra hard right now to I’m in estrogen dominance, because it’s perimenopause, there’s all these things for sure that we can support with fasting with Herbes. And with all of that, but then asking those bigger questions of, have I fulfilled the things that I was meant to do in this lifetime? And what does that even look like? What What does my definition of success look like right now? Not from the definition of what I was told to understand or believe? What is my definition of being a woman today, right now, in this moment? What do I want for myself? So when that starts to happen, and then yes, bring in the tools of yoga, like there was actually a study done on yoga where the participants just did once a week for 20 weeks, and their area and their brain, the insula, which actually navigates our autonomic response started to shift their prefrontal the medial part of their prefrontal cortex, that also started to shift and that’s decision making. So the brain started to rewire and the body started to relax. So those moments that body anxiety started to shift because now we’re reprogramming the brain and then programming in it, the things that we do desire the things that we do want to manifest.
Dr. Mindy Hmm, brilliant. I don’t know if I ever told you the story. But you know, you and Phil the audience, and you’ve been telling me about self care for what we’ve known each other six, seven years now. And you’ve been like really such a champion from for myself, Karen. I just greatly appreciate that. Everybody needs a friend like you you like keep an eye out and
Sonya Jensen says hey, hear them on your shoulder or taking a different job. Yeah, well, you
Dr. Mindy know what, I probably carry you around a lot with me throughout the week and just really remind myself. And yet I’ve asked myself many times what self care looks like for me because I feel like self care looks different for every every person, I’m still trying to discover that. I want to give you guys a little bit of a behind the scenes view of what it’s like to put the amount of content out into the world that we do. I have a team of amazing individuals that all have different skill sets. And one of these individuals is really good with charts and checklists. And what we hear from you guys a lot is that you are looking for more hormone building foods. What do I need to eat to raise estrogen? What do I need to eat to raise progesterone, and it would be really helpful to have a sheet, this is what you’ve told us. So one of my incredible team members has designed a hormone building list, it’s beautified easy to read, you could probably put it on your refrigerator and make it so that you’re always keeping progesterone and estrogen in mind when you go to put a meal together. So it’s a hormone building checklist, and you will fight for you and it will you will find the link in the show notes. You just click on the link, it’ll send you to the checklist. And you can download it, print it out, put it on your refrigerator, share it with a loved one, and really thrive with your fasting lifestyle. Remember, a fasting lifestyle has a lot of variations of fasting. It also has a lot of variations of food. We love keto. But we also love building hormones, and you can use your foods to build hormones like progesterone. And this hormone building checklist is going to give you that opportunity. So just go into the show notes, click on the link. And as always, I hope it helps. One day I was in a meditation I spend about an hour every morning listening to something very positive, gotten really into doing Soma breathing, some different breath work, and then I do a meditation and I had this thought pop in my head a couple of years back that I have been through the menopausal journey frustrated at the depleted hormones, you know I don’t know another way to say that but almost villainize. And I’m like, you know, frickin a like progesterone like, Man, you went away. And like, I really want you to come back and Gosh, and just sort of having an aggressive negative energy towards it. And in that, in this moment of meditation, I said to myself, gosh, you know, you really shouldn’t villainize your ovaries. They showed up for you every month, and they produced a egg after egg after egg for how many years? And twice, though, you had an egg fertilized and you produce these amazing children that bring you so much joy right now? Wouldn’t that be? Wouldn’t it be better to thank these organs as she’s deciding to kick out and she doesn’t want to work anymore? What if I went into a meditation where I was in gratitude for how she’s shown up for me and what I was able to create with these amazing organs? And do you know, it was like another layer of healing with through menopause once I just fully went into gratitude around my ovaries, and it at the time, I thought, Oh, this sounds really silly. But now I’m listening to you. And I’m like, wow, that was actually pretty profound.
Sonya Jensen Yeah, what do you what are your thoughts on that? Was
Dr. Mindy that like, another layer of healing for me?
Sonya Jensen Oh, absolutely. And I actually speak to that layer in the book, too. It’s self acceptance, like you accepted yourself as you are, and you thank your body for doing the work. And like I was saying before, those hormones are today just been communicating. They’re doing what we are telling them to do. And they have shown up over and over again, like you said, to help support your system to help support your immune system, and help support all of it, and life. And when we are in that feeling of resentment towards them. It’s really hard to one be in that space of trust, I think as well because we lose trust in our body. And I think the thing that you were speaking to really was grief, right? There’s moments of grief as we’re transitioning, and there’s moments and that starts even at a younger age when we’re giving birth to children, right? There’s grieving that happens then, as we grieve our old body or old life, there’s grieving happening when the kids are aging, and we’re watching them grow up. There’s grieving happening when we’re transitioning, so there’s a lot of grieving so much and that’s okay. Right. And that’s like, that’s the shadow aspect that is within us. And I speak to a lot of these like polarities that we carry with us, but we’re so stuck in a society of black or white, good or bad, the hormones were bad or the hormones were good. It’s like They’re all of it. You’re not okay?
Dr. Mindy Or they’re either they’re either there or they’re depleted, or you have too much, or you have too little. But they’re, they can be different at different times.
Sonya Jensen Yeah, yeah. So how do we support them? Like how do we support their story so that they can really serve us? And I call it like the, the dance or the, they’re like the choreographers of our life. So how do we support this choreography? By making choices every day in our daily habits, our daily thoughts that are going to help support it?
Dr. Mindy So would it be fair to say that if you want to heal an organ, you’re going to have to make peace with it? Yeah, yeah. So we have a lot of thyroid problems. I mean, people are so up in arms about their thyroid issues, and they’re frustrated at their doctor for not having the solution or, you know, there’s a lot I feel like the thyroid, there’s a lot of anger around it that women have. So with the best thing be to just sit in deep appreciation and love for that organ and just let go, any kind of thought process that says this organ has to show up a certain way it has to act a certain way, in order for me to be happy. Could there be a nother layer of healing for women as we start to just come into acceptance of these organs? That may not be working the way we want them to be? Yeah,
Sonya Jensen I think that’s it’s a big piece, the the acceptance of it. But the other piece with the thyroid is your voice. So many women that have thyroid stuff come up, especially later on in life, usually have suppress their voice somehow. And again, maybe there’s a generational thing going on there, too. Because as we known as history is very colorful, I’m just going to leave it that way. And so when we tap into that, where have we lost our voice? And where we’re not able to speak our truth? And when do we really look the other way, when we knew that something was wrong in our environment that we needed to speak up. So like, really seeing into those questions of like, we’re not telling my truth or speaking my truth, what is my truth. And then as that starts to happen, that center like that, chakra will also start to expand. And then we can learn how to receive as well, because what’s happening when organs aren’t functioning as they should, right when the autoimmunity is or when the self is fighting itself, when the nodules are there, when the throat cancer is there. We’re in that space of like, nothing is working for us. But when we start to ask questions, we start to understand that deeper of self expression, and then from not, from choices start getting made, then in our daily life, then the you know, looking at the toxins isn’t so crazy. And then eating the right foods is okay, because I’m worth that healing. So it just once you become aware of that relationship, then everything starts to change is a lot easier to navigate.
Dr. Mindy I feel like I see you a fortune teller, like sitting on a mountaintop, and women coming up to you and being like, here’s, here’s what I’m dealing with. And you’re like, well, the emotional connection to that is, it’s like a different form of astrology that we’ve got going, it’s hormonal is
Sonya Jensen super power, because when I meet people, I’m projecting them, okay, this is gonna happen if they don’t shift this and I don’t like always being right. It’s then you can see, you see the pain that Yeah, women are gonna.
Dr. Mindy So let’s talk about that. Because I put you in interacting with you. I know this new chapter that the couple chap, me that I read in your new book, again, which is amazing. Can’t wait, this guy out into the world that we’re looking at pain in ourselves is very hard to do. And you talk about different masks that we tend to carry around. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Like, why is it so hard to do talk a little bit about the three masks? And then can we talk about solutions for it? Because I’m such a person that wants to present a bigger paradigm shift to to men specifically. But I make sure that we live women feel helpful and understanding politics, deeper level and knowing what to do with it.
Sonya Jensen Yeah, yeah, pain is hard, right? Because we do everything that we can to avoid it. And that’s the whole world is built around that occasion two times is burying the pain is just hard to understand. And like I was talking about before, like our whole speech process shuts down because we can’t articulate how deep we can feel pain. So it’s really hard to understand to do with it. And so over our lifetime, we like I was saying before we create these personalities or we wear these masks and these masks can be defined in two different ways. Sometimes it’s a role playing, that’s mother or the career woman or the wife or the daughter. You know There’s these expectations that come with these roles in mass, the other mass, or maybe one of like, I was talking about myself putting that wall, so I don’t let people in to heart. And that’s for survival. So when we have these masks, and then we start to carry them around with us, we lose sight of the real us, we lose sight of real connection within ourselves. And what I created is something called a triangle of disconnect. And when we’re in those roles, or when we’re playing out those masks, were in a state of disconnection, always. And isn’t until we can like talk ourselves away a little bit and observe what we’re doing and the choices we’re making that we can then start to make different choices. So one of them is the Duchess. So she’s the one that takes care of her household, she’s got everything planned her alarm alarm cuts that are sorry, alarm clock is that she’s like the get her done, right, no one’s gonna mess with my schedule, I got this. And when she’s in that role, and you know, we tap into these because they’re useful. So there’s not a negative positive polarity to these, they have everything, because maybe we need to be that way in the workplace. Or maybe we need to be that way to get the kids out of the door in school. But what we need to learn is we can shift out of that state, and be more in the state. So that woman problems with our a amenorrhea, or irregular periods, because she’s going to be working out a lot, probably not eating enough, or hormones aren’t necessarily working the way she wants them to work. So maybe she’s gonna take the birth control pill because she needs to control her environment. So control is a big factor here. And then you have the damsel who’s always in service, she’s always giving, giving, giving, and not able to really recoup from that. So now she’s in complete adrenal fatigue. And it isn’t until something bigger happens. Maybe it’s thyroid cancer, because she’s not speaking her voice for truth. Maybe it’s ovarian cysts, because she’s feeling resentful with all the stuff that she’s having to do. However, the other polarity of that she’s the one that’s keeping the community together, she’s a woman, you’re gonna call when you’re having a bad day, because she’s able to really hold that space of compassion and empathy. So there’s gifts in that too. And then the third one is the diva. She’s the one where you see perfect picture, right. And she may be the one that felt she needed the breast implants to look that perfect picture, or the booty left, or she’s, you know, on the outside, everything is perfect. But our internal world is in turmoil, because she’s always an inner conflict. So maybe in her case, too, she’s going to be growing five bites during her perimenopause years, because she just cannot fully express who she really is. She can’t just go outside and sweatpants and be okay with that. She’s got to create this picture that’s perfect for the external world. So she doesn’t have to feel the pain of that belief that she’s not worthy, or she’s not enough, or she’s not significant in this lifetime.
Dr. Mindy Do we move around those three? Like, are we
Sonya Jensen I think so. Yeah, I think we tap into them, I think we take from them what we need. And I think the problem arises when we get stuck in that polarity, where we feel like this is what we need in order to feel our worth. This is what we need in order to feel belong, that we belong. But when we can tap into the positive polarities of each one, then it all works, because then we can put it down when we need to. Right we can, we can show up in that way. In that moment, we can always be in a state of us of who we really are, and then step into action step into that role, because we need that role in that moment. But it’s when we’re stuck in that role. That’s when we get pulled in all these directions. And we’re having that internal conflict, losing that self trust, and losing trust in our outside world, too.
Dr. Mindy So do you see these the triangle a disconnect? I love the name of it. Do you see that these masks if we once we understand them? Now we can go? Oh, I’ve got the Duchess mask on right now. Okay, this is not serving me. Let her let me go to the upside of the Duchess. And like, is there is there I mean, I love the languaging of those three DS. And I’m also thinking it I find it always helpful what I sort of recognize patterns are you seeing that these three would be something that women could use to recognize where they may be in the dark side of emotions? Sure.
Sonya Jensen So there’s an exercise that I get women to do in the book is to like create that triangle, they get a big sheet of paper out, make that triangle write out the different polarities of those two and see where you utilize those moments. And so in those moments, you can recognize like, okay, I am being the diva right now, like why do I need this to be perfect in this moment? Where is that actually coming from? So then the questions start, and then from there the awareness begins, and then that cycle of healing can begin to bring The tools I think, Okay, well, how can I use the positive polarity of this to serve my body to serve my life to serve my hormones?
Dr. Mindy Yeah, again, I’m going back to the three conversations that I’ve had over the last week. And they’re all with this underlining theme of self awareness. And I’m realizing, when you look at the population, that we are often run by whatever we see on TV, or social media, or the people around us. And there’s so many people that don’t even aren’t even aware of what patterns in their thoughts they want to accept and reject. And how, you know, one of the passions that I’ve had over the last year is we really wanting to teach people to think deeper, get beyond the soundbite, get beyond the news, whatever you saw on your newsfeed start to really tap into your own self, so that you can think for yourself and not think like those people who have programmed to or has the world is programmed, do you think if we all stepped into this place of self awareness and said, I’m going to take control of what I think how I feel, I’m going to look at myself, in the deepest level possible that would heal a lot of the hormonal imbalances that are showing up for women right now.
Sonya Jensen For sure. Yeah, I think that is the key thing that’s going to help really support our hormones. And then, you know, if we think about it, we support our hormones, we feel good about ourselves, the world starts to change and heal, and then are like, we are the center of all of it. We were the first relationship a child has to the world. And it’s these children that are making decisions in the world. Right? So if we step into that space, like imagine the healing that can take place on this planet, I do think that’s like the core thing for humanity to shift. And how connected would we feel when we start looking at the the macrocosm, and not just the micro, because we’re so used to getting stuck in like, the minute details of life. And when we start looking at that bigger picture of how connected we really are, because, you know, a woman might have a different story, but the foundation is the same. We all want to feel worthy. We all want to feel heard. We all all want to feel connected. And if we can just settle with that everything, I think one shift.
Dr. Mindy So when you I’m seeing headlines recently about and I know this is more on the male side, but when I see headlines like low sperm counts, Erin Brockovich just put out an article that said low sperm count and shrinking penises is causing getting us closer to human extinction. There’s a lot of people out there believing that we are so under so much hormonal stress, both men and women that we have hit an infertility rates are at the highest they’ve ever been, when that we are on a trajectory towards human extinction. And the way I saw that through a my lens prior to this conversation was it’s a toxicity issue. And I still think there is a toxicity issue. But the world is more disconnected the world is in more fear. People don’t even know what’s driving around emotions. They don’t have social media has not allowed us to think for ourselves. Do you think that all of that is playing into infertility? And what we’re seeing? And do you think if we don’t affect it and and really start to dive into some of these more emotional traumas that we are on a path towards human extinction?
Sonya Jensen I do feel that and that makes me sad.
Dr. Mindy And now I’m sorry, I know it’s deep.
Sonya Jensen Yeah, it’s okay. Cuz you think of your kids and your grandkids? Yeah. And I do think is that piece of disconnect? I think if the humans that were putting the chemicals in the water, the humans that were creating fear, and navigating fear into the world, if they felt whole, if they if they could understand their traumas and their story, it, the outcome would be very different. Because then we would take into account the other and not just ourselves. Yeah, it the world would vary from place if we would just do that. Because now it’s like, we can’t not detox. We have to, we have to, and it’s so much unexplained infertility, because we’re carrying around so many heavy backpacks of these stories in these boxes, and all of it, that it’s a hard thing to do right now. And I think the more of us that speak about it, and the more of us that become self aware instead of trying to change the person outside of us, the easier it becomes for compassion and empathy and if we have compassion for each other will have compassion for the earth will understand that. We are here as temporary guests, right? And if we want to leave a world that’s going to keep these generations going, it is our duty to connect with the earth and I call the original mother Because she’s the one who’s provided us with everything. If I go back to that what I said in the beginning, when we were in the womb, we were given everything we needed. We didn’t have to think about it. The Earth has been giving us everything from food to shelter to all of it. And yet, you know, that moment when a child turns around and says, You to their mom, which has already happened to me, and girlfriend, I’ve been there, oh, no, your heart just breaks. Imagine the Earth right now the vibration of the Earth is feeling with all that we have done as humans and not not always out of spite or out of wanting negative things to happen, but just maybe unknowing. But now that we know we need to change. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy Oh, my god, that was so well said and I, what’s going on with our planet right now has weighed so heavy on my heart. And I feel like the 2020 gave us an opportunity. And it gave us an opportunity to sit down and reflect on what’s not working. And in that reflection, I feel like a lot of people are hearing this messaging like Mother Earth is dying. The people were in extinction, I’m seeing more and more of that. And I feel like we have to move out of us versus them. We are all connected. This is why I love like Bruce Lipton’s work, like vibrationally, we are all connected. So it you know, I feel like it doesn’t matter what political slant you are, it doesn’t matter what you believe about the virus or not the virus that or the vaccine or no vaccine. What’s important right now is that we come together as one human species, and we what can we do to create connection to each other, allow each other to have different beliefs, but to connect to each other and to connect to Mother Earth? And I never thought of that as like, you’re safe when you’re in the womb. And you know, that’s how we have felt on the earth button. But she’s not doing well. And it is making us more disconnected. Yeah, I
Sonya Jensen think it goes to the core again of we as humans need connection and belonging. And I think COVID gave us a glimpse of what could feel like when the world bands together for something as the thing I think we’re writing together for but you know, when protests are happening, or when there’s this like, cause that we can all come together and fight for like, we don’t really have that in our world anymore. But when we get that like push for right now, we’re just so disjointed, within ourselves that that’s what’s creating that disjointedness in our external world. So yes, the more we can really come together and connect, because at the end of the day, we all need food, we need all the water, not only love these things, air, these are the basics that we need, and deserve.
Dr. Mindy So when we look at the possibility right now, and 2021 is if we band together and say I’m going to connect to even the person who I hate, I’m going to connect to the values that I may not resonate with, but I’m going to show up as a being of love, and of gratitude and joy. And in that process, I’m going to heal myself which is going to heal my hormones which is going to heal the planet. We have that possibility that exists for the human race right now. Or we have the possibility of I’m going to continue to talk about how stupid somebody is that they believe different than me. I’m going to continue to also to ostracize the people who don’t think like me, I’m going to continue to talk about the things that irritate me. would would it be fair to say that if we stay in that mindset, we’re in for more of a hormonal dysfunction? Not only a more of a planet dysfunction, but are what we’re looking at more unfiltered infertility more pcls more breast cancer? Is it fair to say that if we stay in that mindset as a culture,
Sonya Jensen I think it’s fair to say that I think we need to learn how to hold our thoughts and beliefs and those polarities in like open palms, right so we can see and observe and we can see things for what they are instead of putting an emotion around it. And it’s not that we need to be in rainbows and butterflies all the time with is there sadness is there a challenges happen all of that happens but what we do with it is up to us how we respond if we want that freedom, we need to be in a space between that stimulus and the response we need to pause right? If we can live there for sure we can we can have both those worlds at the same time. The Yin and the Yang, the light and the dark. They have to exist together so we can hold them together and not get so stuck in one side.
Dr. Mindy Yeah. I just I love this and I feel like I could keep going on this conversation because I just I’m so thirsty for it. I feel like in 2020, when we first went in the pandemic, I was so in awe of how everybody in a one week’s time seemed to care about their immune system. And I thought, oh my god, this is gonna be amazing. And everybody slowed down. And I thought the world is going to benefit from this moment. And a year later, I feel like we went to outside in solutions. I feel like we are now at least here in America. You know, as we went through the election, we’re fighting more than ever, and I and I see where we could become more disconnected because of this moment. And I want to keep these conversations going with people about No, it starts with each individual. Gandhi said, Be the change you want to see in the world. So be be compassion, be love, heal your emotions, heal, and then heal your own hormones. And that will have this ripple effect. So I’m trying I love thank you for having this conversation with me because I’m like, dying for it. And I want to as women, we are so good at community, we’re so good at connection, we have to stop outperforming each other or pointing fingers at each other or she’s doing that and she’s doing that we need to go you’re a woman, I’m a woman, and we’re more powerful when we come together regardless of what our beliefs are. We are better at unified together, we can heal Mother Earth if we do that.
Sonya Jensen Well said, I don’t know if I once watched Wonder Woman. Yeah, it just reminds me of her like her family of the sisters, right? Like they’re banding together and trying to secure the world and protect the world. And that really is the archetype that I love to look at. Because we really are that don’t have so many of those archetypes within us. But yes, if we band together, we could heal.
Dr. Mindy Yeah, amazing. Okay, well, I’m gonna finish this off. Again, I could just keep going deeper with this. So I hope everybody’s enjoying this. And I want to say, resellers. As you guys are listening to this, if you resonate with it, this is the messaging. I am trying to get out into the world. Dr. Sonia is trying to get out into the world. So please, schritt so that we can start to change the conversation around hormones. That’s really one of the biggest reasons I wanted to bring you on is because I want to change the conversation around hormones. So I appreciate you let me let me go deep in this. I knew I now have five questions for you. Oh, I know. You should be worried. Okay, ready, and I i think i didn’t give you the hardest one. Okay, if you could go back to your 13 year old self, and you could give her advice. What would you tell her?
Sonya Jensen Your love?
Dr. Mindy Yeah, yeah. You know, a lot of people say that when I when I ask them that question that just acceptance and love. So interesting. Okay, what is I have? This is a two part question. What is your favorite self care strategy? And what would a day look like where you’ve built self care into it?
Sonya Jensen Mm hmm. Favorite self care strategy is my morning team. And that looks like movement. It looks like meditation. It looks like a sauna. Oh, would be the perfect day for me. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy like a spa day
Sonya Jensen a massage sauna? Like just on all of them on light. Just Yeah. And good food. Yeah, good, nutritious food.
Dr. Mindy Yes. I totally agree. And do it throughout a day because again, as as somebody who’s been trying to find self care for herself. Do you have built in self care throughout the day? Or do you hit a place where you’re like, Whoa, I’ve overdone it. I need to now. here Yeah, no, no over. Thanks. So
Sonya Jensen for me a cup of tea by myself outside that is built in. My evening routine is also once the kids are in bed. I’m having some my cup of tea. So a cup of tea is really my my cup of tea.
Dr. Mindy I love it. I love it. Okay, what book do you think every woman needs to read?
Sonya Jensen Oh, you know, answer to this one, the rushing woman syndrome. But I’m going to add another one in there the twice. My daughter Edith Ed Gar. She is an Auschwitz survivor and is in her late 90s and has so much wisdom to share.
Dr. Mindy So the choice beautiful we’re creating. We’re creating a book list here ask all my guests that and it’s we’ve learned a lot of books. So I’m sure Jessica just wrote that down. The other thing I want to tell you is that when I interviewed Dr. Libby Weaver yesterday, I asked her this question. And I said whenever somebody asked me this question, I say rushing woman syndrome, and she was so humble. She’s like, Oh my gosh, like she was like so like blown away by that and I agree with you that book needs every woman needs to read Send her TED talk to every woman I see. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, she, at the end of the interview, she cried. Because I told her, you know, we’re just, we hear you, we thank you for your rushing woman book. And she just has a heart based love that wants to get her message out to the world. So thank you for turning me on to that book and her. Okay, ready for this question? If you were in charge of the curriculum at a medical school for obese, and you wanted to put in some key classes that maybe an OB isn’t learning, what would those classes be? trauma and self care, trauma and self care? And how they relate to
Sonya Jensen hormones? how they relate to hormones? Yeah.
Dr. Mindy Do you think any obese are getting those classes? No. Do you think any natural pass and or alternative are getting those classes? To a certain lens?
Sonya Jensen But no, not enough? Not enough, we have all turned an eye away from the pain.
Dr. Mindy So true. So true. Okay. And then the last one is if you had one message for the world that you could get implanted in everybody’s brain, and they would never forget it. What would that message be?
Sonya Jensen You are enough?
Dr. Mindy Yeah, yeah, it’s a common theme. Yeah, I love it. Well, this was a joy. I mean, you and I have had so many conversations, but this one transformed me for sure. It has me thinking deeper, you better believe I will be reaching out to you with my deep thoughts over the next week. And as I love as I, as I think on on what you said, Today, I’m going to take this information and apply it to my own life and really think about where there might be another layer of healing that can happen for me. So I just appreciate you, I’m so grateful for you always not only as an incredible doctor, but as a friend who I always feel deeply cares for me, I just really cannot thank you enough and how my life is so much better with you in it. So I appreciate your French and making me cry again,
Sonya Jensen thank you and all the work that you’re doing in the world, like when I see you shining, I’m like, there she goes, again. You’re just doing such amazing work. And you’re really getting the message out there like you are articulating things that a lot of us sometimes can’t. And you’re just pioneering a movement for women and mankind humankind. And so thank you.
Dr. Mindy Hey, resellers, I just want to start off by saying thank you so much for all your wonderful reviews. And those of you that have left me comments on iTunes. I just greatly appreciate your thoughtfulness and how much you guys are enjoying these episodes. And it seems like you’re enjoying them as much as I am enjoying doing them. One of the things that I’ve learned in just interacting with so many people is that we’ve really lost the art of deep conversations. And for me, the resetter podcast stands for having meaningful conversations with people who are thinking about health, about life about mindset in a way that we may not be getting on social media or in mainstream media. And so I just want to say give you guys a shout out and just say thank you for participating in this process with me. Because as much as I absolutely love delivering the information to you, I love even more knowing that it’s impacting your life. So please let us know if there’s anything we can do to make this podcast more customized to you to make it better. We are now officially in season two. And we are working to bring you the best conversations that health influencers have that mindset changers can give and to really deliver you something that you’re not able to get anywhere else. So from the bottom of my heart, as I always say my YouTube from the bottom of my heart. I am deeply appreciative of you. I am deeply grateful to be on this journey with you and let’s get healthy together.