This episode is all about thyroid problems. We dive into the solutions behind your thyroid symptoms and how to read labs.
Dr. Rebecca Warren is a Functional Wellness Practitioner and Doctor of Chiropractic who specializes in women’s sex hormones, thyroid hormones, and healing after thyroidectomy.
At 19, Dr. Rebecca was diagnosed with Follicular Variant Papillary Thyroid Carcinoma and had a complete thyroidectomy with high dose radiation- all of which was completely unnecessary. But she didn’t know what else to do. After having her thyroid removed, she suffered from hormone issues that Doctors would write off because all her labs looked “normal”. She suffered with depression, anxiety, weight loss resistance, and period issues with no help on how to get better. It wasn’t until she decided to draw a line in the sand that no doctor was going to know more about her body than her, did her health transformed. She has spent the past decade and a half studying the literature, implementing protocols, using the most up to date functional labs and testing, and ancestral tools (like fasting and diet variation) to not only take back her health but to help thousands of men and women to do the same.
Her goal is to help people avoid the unnecessary suffering she went through and help those that may be on a hopeless path right now.
Dr. Rebecca practices with her husband in Chattanooga, TN, and does virtual coaching worldwide. Their approach is simple but powerful: get to the cause, support the body, and trust and know that the body was created to heal itself.
In this podcast, Understanding Your Thyroid Condition, we cover:
How your thyroid affects your gallbladder
Early warning signs of thyroid issues
Nutritional and environmental factors relating to thyroid problems
Which lifestyle changes improve thyroid function
Iodine’s role in thyroid health
The Connection Between Your Gallbladder and Your Thyroid
Period issues can contribute to sluggish and problematic gallbladder function. Free T3 is one of the few hormones that bind with every single cell in your body. It’s connected with energy production and ATP production. For anything to be produced at adequate levels, you need enough energy. Therefore, you need sufficient levels of free T3. If your free T3 levels are low, you will see a dysfunctional amount of bile production. Plus, there will be a decrease in HCL production, which will directly affect your digestion.
When you’re consistently having health issues that leave you sluggish, a doctor will recommend that the gallbladder be removed. Only 10% of people that are suffering from hyperthyroidism have overt symptoms. The other 90% have symptoms like depression, anxiety, brain fog, memory issues, constipation, diarrhea, skin issues, and acid reflux. T3 can affect so many different symptoms in the body; you may not identify them as thyroid issues.
Common Signs That You Have A Thyroid Issue
If you can’t lose weight, then you may have a thyroid problem. That’s something common that you will hear people say. If you haven’t changed a single thing in your diet, and your weight is starting to creep up, that could be a thyroid issue. If you’re doing a lot of work and not losing weight, that could also be a sign of thyroid problems. Here are some other common symptoms that you may experience when your thyroid is out of whack:
Hair falling out
Eyebrows are thinning out
Sex hormones decrease
Low testosterone in men
Many people think they can’t eat meat because they don’t digest it very well. It’s because your digestive capacity has decreased. Constipation and diarrhea are also should not be considered normal in society. You need to have solid bowel movements! If not, you could have a thyroid problem.
Fix Your Environment and Check Your Nutrient Profile
By the time you have thyroid symptoms, it’s been years and maybe even decades that there has been an issue. Antibodies can exist if you don’t test them seven to nine years before you have a symptom. When you look at the thyroid, you need to peel the layers. Look at the toxins in your environment that you can change. Then, look at your nutrient profile. Some people will need some thyroid hormones. If you’re entirely in a hole, it’s going to be hard to exercise and eat the way you need to eat. Some nutrients you’ll want to consider are vitamin D, vitamin B, magnesium, and iodine.
Iodine and Thyroid Function: What You Need To Know
Iodine is a building block. You may have a nodule that your thyroid is growing because you have low iodine. When you don’t have adequate antioxidants and selenium, that can destroy your thyroid. It would help if you also had zinc and magnesium to have a well-running thyroid. When people start taking high amounts of iodine, they do not have regular bowel movements. If you want to take iodine, then begin eating iodine from foods like seaweed. You also get iodine from liver meat, eggs, shrimp, and raw milk.
Changes You Can Make To Benefit Your Thyroid
There are three critical things you can start doing for your health. One, detox your environment and change your water. You’re showering in water that is full of chemicals. Next, change out plastics. Lastly, minerals are always a great place to start. Because our soil is so depleted, we aren’t getting the same amount of minerals from our vegetables and meats. Everyone used to talk about multivitamins. Instead, we should be talking about mineral supplements. Almost everyone needs a mineral supplement. When you’re fasting, you may have trouble sleeping, and your hair might be falling out. These are huge signs that you’re mineral deficient.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 0:00
But you know that you’re fatigued, you know that your period has changed, or you know that you’re suffering a little bit with more anxiety. It’s not about what’s on a piece of paper. It’s about what’s happening in front of you. And you should never go into a doctor’s office, leave there and question yourself.
Dr. Mindy 0:15
I am a woman on a mission that is dedicated to teaching you just how powerful your body was built to be. I like to do that by bringing you the latest science, the greatest thought leaders and applicable steps that help you tap into your own internal healing power. The purpose of this podcast is to give you the power back and help you believe in yourself again, my name is Dr. Mindy Pels, and I want to thank you for spending part of your day with me. On this episode of the resetter podcast, I bring you Dr. Rebecca Warren. Now let me tell you a little bit about her. Let me tell you about the conversation. And I am so excited to bring this episode to those of you that are struggling with thyroid problems, because we really dove in to some solutions and how to read labs. So I’m just I’m just tickled pink to give you guys this episode. But let me tell you a little bit about Dr. Baca. Not only is she a personal friend of mine, not only has she been on a thyroid journey herself, as you will hear she had her thyroid removed at 19 years old. But she has turned her pain around her suffering around thyroid, she has turned it into her life’s mission to teach people how to understand their thyroid condition. She is a woman sex hormone and thyroid specialist. She her background is as a chiropractor, she is a functional wellness practitioner, she has a radio show, this woman is on a mission to make sure that people are getting the proper thyroid information. And in this episode, I asked her to break down what labs you all should be looking at. So if you have your lab work, pull it out, because she goes through ranges, she talks about what you should be looking for. I asked her to talk about if you didn’t get complete lab work done by your doctor, what other tests should you have. And you will see in the show notes that she is giving away an E book of all of her labs that she recommends the ranges. And hopefully you guys can take that and take it to your doctor and get a better reading on exactly what’s going on with the thyroid. We talked about lifestyle changes, we talked about keto and thyroid fasting and thyroid, we talked about toxicity and toxins you’re going to want to avoid and then we ended the discussion with minerals, nutrients, foods you want to add in. So I really tried to take her in as many different angles as I could to give you guys the resources that you need to be able to manage your own thyroid cases to be able to talk to your doctor in a more complete way. And I think you’re gonna absolutely love her love this episode and find that it’s incredibly useful. And as always, if you resonate with what you hear, there is such a growing problem with people suffering from all kinds of thyroid issues, that if you love this, send it out into the world, share it with a friend. And as always leave us a positive review if it hits you in a in your heart in a beautiful place. So Dr. Rebecca Warren, let’s roll up our sleeves and solve your thyroid problems.
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Dr. Rebecca Warren 6:31
Absolutely. And so, you know, my story actually started when I was 16 years old, I was walking out of the movie theater. And I thought I was having a heart attack, I walked outside, I fell to the ground in the fetal position, clutched my chest and was freaking out, I didn’t know what was going on. I got rushed to the emergency room, they gave me morphine, I was in and out. And when my parents got there, I found out that the doctor said I had 1000 1000 gall stones in my gallbladder, which was shocking, yeah, to have that how old 5616 years old. gallbladder attacks so severe. But of course, the doctor said, It’s okay, we can get this taken care of right, we can just cut out the gallbladder, and everything will be fine. And I always like to share that part of my story. You’re gonna have people listening right now. And they’re like, I have a gallbladder issue, whether they’ve been having a diagnosed thyroid issue, or they think they have a thyroid issue. There’s a direct connection on gallbladder function in the thyroid. And so you’ll tend to see go out or go out, before you start to see all this thyroid issues really come to the surface. But for me, I didn’t know they cut it out. And they sent me on my way. And I remember thinking to myself, This isn’t right. Like this is, you know, I’m going to talk to my doctor about it, I went to my follow up, and I thought that health was losing weight. So I talked to my doctor, I said, Hey, I feel like I should get better. I think I should lose some weight, you know, maybe support my body since I had this gallbladder attack. And the doctors like I got it. I’ll give you something at the end. At the end of my appointment, he walked out. He got a Xerox copy of the food pyramid which I am aging myself there right there. I don’t know that now. Right? And he came back with the food pyramid. And there’s two paragraphs at the bottom I’ll never forget. And I remember thinking to myself, well, if the my doctor is not concerned, then I guess there’s nothing to be concerned about. And then three years later, I my mom found this huge lump in my neck. And after all this testing, I sat in my doctor’s office at 19. He walked in and I’ll never forget, he said, You know, I’m sorry to tell you this, but your daughter has thyroid cancer. Wow. I remember in that moment, I had this out of body experience, right? Like, this wasn’t my life, like write the C word. I didn’t know
Dr. Mindy 8:42
what C word alone. Yeah, it
Dr. Rebecca Warren 8:44
just wrecks you I was just, I was scared. And I was nervous. But my doctor told me this. Well, if there’s a cancer to have, this is a good time. Which doctors still say, Why do they say that? Because we’ve got it all figured out with the thyroid, you have a thyroid issue, get on a pill, oh, you have third kids or cut it out and get on a pill. They believe that they can cut out this vital dynamic organ, put you on a pill for the rest of your life in that set, and you’ll be good, you’ll be good. And that’s what we did. I was I did not have I did these resources. They didn’t exist. Yeah, I wish I would have known then what I know now. I got my thyroid cut out. And I did high dose radiation. And I went on my way. And I want to mention that, you know, follicular variant papillary carcinoma is the cancer I had which is a predominant cancer that’s rising in numbers exponentially every year. But it’s been renamed because cutting it out and radiating it has far more risks than living with it for the rest of your life. So I always mentioned that because there’s more and more people that are hearing about thyroid cancer, and they don’t have any guidance or help and they think they have to get their thyroid cut out. But after I left the doctor’s office, I started suffering with low thyroid hormone issues like symptoms, right? I lost my period. I started feeling depressed. And I think depression can look so different for everyone. But every day I woke up with this heaviness I couldn’t shake. It was like this, this blanket that I carried with me that I couldn’t shake. And then at night, I got anxious, I worried about things that I couldn’t change, worried about things I had no control over, couldn’t sleep, because my mind was going right. I became weight loss resistant. I started having brain fog and memory issues at 19 crazy years old. Why? Every time I would go to the doctor, my labs looked fine. Wow, that’s to me. What do you like? What do you want your labs, your thyroid hormones are fine. Eventually, I couldn’t lose weight. I was doing CrossFit. I decided to become vegan. Because I was like, Well, I’m not losing weight, I need to be more in control of my diet. And at that point, a doctor looked at me because I was like, you know, Doc, I’m not losing weight. And he goes, do you understand calories in calories out God, he needs to know more. I left there and became raw vegan, I restricted and restricted. Because I was being told that there was something wrong with what I was doing, all because they did the wrong labs. And then I went, I got into a car accident, I went to a doctor chiropractic office, my life was changed. It was the first time that someone told me that my body was created to heal me heal itself, that I could do something about it. And I was given hope. And at 20, I drew a line in the sand. I said there was a there was going to be no doctor moving forward that was going to know more about my body more that was gonna make me question myself, I fired my doctor, I took health into my own hands, and I became a doctor to help people do the same amazing,
Dr. Mindy 11:39
you know, it reminds me of one one of the books that I’ve read over the last several years that really like opened my mind was the book undoctored by William Davis, the guy who wrote wheat belly. And he uses that exact example. He said, We live in a day and an age and time where we could potentially know more than our doctors because of things like the internet because of the podcasts like this, where he uses the example of thyroid he’s likes, a lot of times patients have researched their own thyroid problems, they walk into their doctor’s office, and doctors need to realize they may be more up to date on what’s going on with their thyroid than the doctor themselves and have a collaborative conversation with the patient. So that’s what your story sounds like to me is that we you are, you are moving through a system where the doctor knows best the patient doesn’t. And yet the doctor wasn’t willing to be a partner in your, in your care with you.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 12:42
Absolutely. And this is the thing I say this with every person I work with is you live in your body, you know your body, you might not be put a name to it, you may not be able to show it exactly. But you know that you’re fatigued, you know that your period has changed, or you know that you’re suffering a little bit with more anxiety, you know that and good care. It’s not about what’s on a piece of paper. It’s about what’s happening in front of you. Yeah, and you should never go into a doctor’s office leave there and question yourself like, oh, man, I didn’t talk about I didn’t find the answers, or I’m still sick. Yeah, it shouldn’t be like that
Dr. Mindy 13:21
and to make you should demand that you that they keep testing and that they work with you or you find another doctor, totally agree. Explain to me the gallbladder thyroid connection. Before we move on. I want to talk about thyroid symptoms. I want to talk about labs so that we can help the people listening to this podcast, like solve their own thyroid problem. I actually had never heard gallbladder thyroid. That’s fascinating. So explain to me why that that is? Well yeah,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 13:47
so it’s actually what’s really interesting gallbladder has its rich of receptors, receptors for t three and estrogen. So even period issues can contribute to sluggish and problematic gallbladder function. But the biggest thing to understand is that free t three active thyroid hormone binds with it’s one of few hormones that like binds with every single cell in your body. It’s connected with ATP production. So energy production. So in order for anything to be produced at adequate levels, in order for your body to function and respond adequately, you need enough energy for that to happen. You need adequate numbers of free t three. And when I say adequate numbers, I want to clarify something I’m not talking about outside of the medical ranges I’m talking about you can be within medical ranges and B sub optimal for you. Yep. And so yeah, so when we see low free t three, we see a dysfunctional we see a few dysfunctional things, dysfunctional amount of bile production and dysfunctional of releasing of that bile, adequately releasing that bile. We also see a decrease of HCl production, which is digestion. That low HCl, low pancreatic enzyme can go back and affect the gallbladder because it’s part of this whole digestive system. Wow. It’s a future areas where it gets affected.
Dr. Mindy 15:01
So is there I haven’t I haven’t done a lot of research on the statistics around thyroid problems, but do we see gall bladders taken out first, and then thyroid gets taken out? like is that a pattern where those two organs are removed? pretty frequently together?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 15:19
Yes, yes. Usually golf at first, and I’ll say this, I was very shocked when I came across. I was reading about thyroid symptoms, and this doctor was speaking on the most up to date studies about thyroid symptoms. And he presented this statistic which is shocking 10% of people that are suffering suffering with hyperthyroidism have overt symptoms, which are only 10% of the population has symptoms that they can just right off the bat identify the thyroid issues, well, I’m not losing weight from fatigue, or my hair’s changes. The other 90% have symptoms like depression, or anxiety, brain fog, memory issues, they have constipation, diarrhea, skin issues, acid reflux, or they just don’t feel like themselves, or they’re crashing and they just can’t adapt to stressors, or they have low immune system. So because two, three can affect so many different systems in the body, you can have these symptoms that you might not right off the bat be able to identify as thyroid symptoms, you just know something is wrong.
Dr. Mindy 16:21
Yeah. Wow. So what what’s the classic symptoms of thyroid? Because I know that when I was working with patients one on one, the most common thing I would hear from especially women would be I can’t lose weight. I think I have a thyroid problem. It’s like the go to Oregon if you can’t lose weight, but like you’re like you said there’s a lot more there’s the anxiety, the depression. So can you just like list off so when people are listening to this, they they can help identify if their symptoms, there is a thyroid connection or not?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 16:55
Yeah, I do want to say this before I talk about the symptoms that the thyroid is going to be connected, intimately connected in the system with the adrenals and your sex hormones. A lot of times, I will have women, you know, work with me, and they’re like, Oh, I have a thyroid issue. I’m like, Well, you’ve had decade’s worth of estrogen and progesterone imbalances. It’s not the thyroid. And that was your first original thing is that so I want to say that because a lot of times we can see this kind of coupling of symptoms from these others, other systems in the body.
Dr. Mindy 17:25
Is that why perimenopausal women can end up with more thyroid problems as they’re moving through menopause?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 17:30
Yeah, so when your thyroid is suboptimal, I keep on saying suboptimal? Because I want to say we’ll talk about ranges but like, you know, three to three rages can go from like, depending on what lab use 2.5 to 4.4, you can be at 2.8 at 2.9 and still have these symptoms, right? So when you have this low thyroid hormone I, you know, women whose are completely depleted, but what do they do? They get up, they get the kids ready, they go to work they get they get crapped on. Why, because they’re coming from a place of survival. They’re having cortisol coursing through their body, and on a daily basis are in this stress survival response. And then perimenopause comes around, and those adrenals come center stage and the adrenals can adapt to this transition, and then boom, it goes right back to the adrenals goes right back to the thyroid, and it just becomes this kind of vicious,
Dr. Mindy 18:26
vicious cycle. Yeah, wow. Okay. Yeah, you know, I was at a functional endocrinology seminar a few years back, and they were they were highlighting the thyroid. And they were saying the one of the most important reasons to get your thyroid balanced is exactly what you said that there are every single cell in the body has a receptor site for t three. So if your body is if those thyroid hormones are not regulated, you’re going to affect every part of your body. And we definitely live in a culture where you go in, TSH is checked. You’re put on a medication you’re told you’re all good, but yet you don’t feel good. And then there’s that’s where it ends. There’s just nothing beyond that to help help people through this process. So so go through the checklist, just so it because when I think thyroid me personally, I think hair, I think fatigue, I think anxiety, those are kind of things that come up for me when I think about thyroid, but what are like the classic signs that people would expect to see. Yeah,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 19:29
so classic signs. Well, I’m going to tell you over and over, right, so caustic is the weight loss resistance. So I usually point out, nothing has changed in your diet and you’re slowly starting to creep up with weight, which a lot of people will write off as getting older, not necessarily right. Or you’re starting to implement changes. This is the thing that’s really disheartening. For me, I have women that are trying to do keto, or you know, like, they’re implementing some more cardio and they’re doing all this stuff and I always hear I’m doing all this work, and I not losing weight. And most often, they tend to start chronically restricting calories because they like they think they have to, like do more, when it’s really related. So that’s what we’re seeing with the horse, the thyroid there, in regards to weight loss, hair changes, hair falling out, hair thinning out an eyebrow changes, like you’re noticing that your eyebrows are thinning out, you put put on more makeup like that. And then sex hormones decrease in sex hormone production, like estrogen, progesterone, low testosterone for men, there’s gonna be that connection there. Right? And then, again, I think some of the top that we don’t talk about enough is depression. Depression, we know it affects brain function, brain clarity, brain acuity, like your ability to feel like you can handle stressors in xiety. And the gut. So like I mentioned before, there’s a direct connection with the release of HCl, the redo release of bile. So there’s a lot of people that feel like maybe they can’t eat meat, right? Oh, I can’t eat protein, I don’t digest very well. I can’t, you know, certain vegetables because I just get bloated and all this Well, no, it’s because your digestive capacity has decreased because that T three is not adequate levels to increase that signaling while you’re going to be the biggest ones. And then constipation or diarrhea, we’ve normalized not having normal bowel movements. It might be common, but it’s not normal. Right? going to the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy 21:27
So if you go into your perimenopause, menopause years with a thyroid problem, and if you’re like, specifically t three is not well regulated, is that if what I heard you say is that your sex hormones are going to plummet even more, which I gotta tell you, as a woman who’s just going through the whole process, I’m grabbing on to every sex hormone I can. So that is really interesting. So that to me means like, let’s help women before they hit 40. Let’s help them figure this out so that the menopausal journey could be better.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 22:01
Yes, there’s you. You cannot, you cannot go into perimenopause with a thyroid that’s not supported. You just cannot and we don’t talk about it enough. Because this is the problem though. Because if you have a sex hormone issue, if you’re going through perimenopause and you’re struggling, you’re going to go to who an OB GYN and what are they going to focus on ovaries, uterus xR is virgin project. They’re not going to unless you’re actively asking them and I see a lot of ob gyn, look at the thyroid. But if you have a thyroid issue, you got to go see who can ologists So you have these two people that are trying to treat these symptoms like the symptoms try to treat these separate Cisco Systems when they’re actually connected. You cannot it’s going to go back and forth. Your lo t three is going to cause adrenal issues. adrenal issues will make it hard for you to find adequate dosing for thyroid hormones if you’re going to get on thyroid medication, right? And so this is back and forth. And then going through perimenopause which is a major shift major you know support you need for your adrenals the thyroid is not there. All of it the fatigue the depression, the anxiety, the decrease of even sex hormone output is crazy kind of be it’s like you’re on fire like all of these things just go over the top. Yeah, I
Dr. Mindy 23:17
like to think of hormones as like they’re a little bit like tag you’re it like one hormone tags, the next hormone tags, the next one, and if you’ve got one of them that’s asleep, then they can’t continue that process all the way on. So and I and now you’ve really because I’ve spent so much time thinking about sex hormones, I’ve thought about how they connect to insulin and cortisol and oxytocin. Now you really got me thinking about how it connects to thyroid as well. So explain to me when we do labs, well, my first question is, why do they only check TSH? And what else should doctors be checking?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 23:55
Okay, so the reason why TSH was considered the gold standard was considered the gold standard. Let me make sure people hear that was is because third stimulating hormone goes from the pituitary talks to the thyroid. And the number one drug the number what nomic let me go check the number one approach to thyroid hormone is to utilize Synthroid, which is a T for only medication. Okay, so TSH, so TSH is affected by T four, not t three and we’ll talk about that here in a second why that’s really important. So this idea is if someone has a thyroid dysfunction, and all I’m going to give them is t four. That’s all we’re going to do about it. All I need to know is make sure that they have enough T for you know, and then TSH is going to be affected by T four and that’s it.
Dr. Mindy 24:43
So they’re just looking at like the feedback loop from pituitary to thyroid, hypothalamus pituitary thyroid, the HPT axis.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 24:51
Yeah, and that’s it, but they’re not looking at anything downstream or connecting it at a cellular level. Right And the thing that sucks is that I look I’ve looked at the studies, I’ve tracked the studies for a decade and a half. And back then, literally, I would read studies that say if your patient says they have X y&z all these symptoms, but their TSH looks good. It’s because they’re not following recommendations and they’re not taking the medication. And that’s really disheartening, because there’s doctors that are still practicing off of that a bit outdated information. It’s noisier like that in the studies.
Dr. Mindy 25:25
Okay, so let me let me just point this out, is T for usable by ourselves.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 25:31
NET? Well, it’s going to know. So t three is going to be more efficient at being bound up by ourselves. So t four has to be converted. Great t three is the hormone that’s going to bind to the nucleus of the cell and is going to create ATP, that’s going to create the energy that your cells need to be well into function, like your whole body to function. So t four has to be activated, it has to be and this is important, because again, it is the number one prescribed medication for thyroid meds. And remember how we talked about there’s just cycle two with like digestion and gut and then it’s gonna affect liver. So the idea is that when you take tea for or when you make tea for yourself, the liver, the gut, the kidneys have to be well, they have to be functioning well in order to take that hormone and convert it to something active. But if you sit down with anyone that has a thyroid issue, or someone who thinks they have a thyroid issue, they always have digestive issues. There’s always some liver issues, some insulin issue carbs, there’s a there’s a connection there with insulin and carb metabolism with free tier three. So the liver is overwhelmed. And so when I sit there, and I hear that, okay, I have a thyroid issue. My doctor put me on Synthroid, and I’m like, Well, how well do you think your your digestive system is? Oh, no, it’s not very good. Well, you have some blood sugar issues, how well is your you think your liver is not? Well as like, well? Did your doctor check these things? Or ask you about this before putting you on a medication? That depends on these systems? No, they did it.
Dr. Mindy 27:00
Crazy. What was so what? Again, I know, like my brain goes to it’s not that hard to check these other things. And I want to I want to go into what the other measurements we need to check are. But why aren’t we checking it? Is it a function of finances and the insurance companies won’t pay for it? Is it lack of knowledge? Is it that the public just wants a pill, just give me the Synthroid and make it all go away? Like, it seems like of all the organs in the body, the thyroid is the most misdiagnosed most misunderstood. And yet the solution is just look a little deeper place that,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 27:43
honestly, I’ve spent years having to deal with anger and frustration. Yeah, yeah, I didn’t mean to poke the bear sorry. I’ve actually started a list of local endocrinologist and doctors that I do not want anyone to ever visit, ah, because it really doesn’t take very much. And I think it’s a few different things. Number one, we have lost the art within medicine, of listening to the patient and seeing what’s in front. Because if someone’s sitting in front of you, and no document to you the same way, someone’s sitting in front of me, I don’t care what’s on this piece of paper, they were telling me that something is wrong. We need to dig deeper, we need to do more, right? Yep. And that’s not happening. What’s coming out of your mouth doesn’t matter as much as what’s on paper. And if that papers in complete, it doesn’t matter. Right. So I think it’s, I think it can be a few different layers. I think, number one, doctors don’t know, endocrinologist, I still have endocrinologist in my area that I all call them up and I’ll send them information. They just don’t know. Right? Yeah. There’s some completely honest, I’ve encountered as a patient before became a doctor that have egos. I don’t want a patient coming in telling me about Dr. Google. And those people need. Yeah, they don’t need to move on. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy 28:55
yeah. They don’t believe you, or they don’t feel they don’t give you the credit to actually have done more research and up to date research. Yeah. Yeah, that is, that is definitely definitely a problem. Okay, go on to the other test. Because when I first dove into understanding the thyroid, it was like, Oh my gosh, there’s like 11 things here we got to look at to be able to see if the conversion is happening of all these thyroid hormones. So so go through the other tests that people should know.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 29:20
Yeah, and I want to I want to go ahead and also distinguish like there’s the thyroid based test, and then there’s other tests that will always affect thyroid like vitamin D, and homocysteine, b 12. Mineral status, right? So looking at the core, the first step, you can never get well, you will never get well if you do not have these tests, right? So thyroid stimulating hormone, I still test that and the reason why is that we have to view TSH differently. It’s not a thyroid hormone. Remember, it comes from the pituitary. It’s a pituitary hormone. So I can see TSH start to trend up before downstream hormones are affected. When your body’s chronically stressed, underlying stressors, whether you’re restricting calories or you know, really stressed or toxic, or in a home full mode, I start to see that TSH kind of crawl up and I think the body is signaling that something is going on, right? So that’s how I use it. But it can still be within range quote unquote, and not be you know, and be within range and still have a problem. So I will say I want to go out and put this out the most up to date studies are looking at the fact that TSH should be under a 2.5. It should be under two, okay, medical ranges can go up to a four 4.5 or maybe some up to a five.
Dr. Mindy 30:42
Okay, please do everybody go go look, if you guys have your lab work, go and look, that was a gift. Thank you. Yeah, so under 2.5, what can it be too low?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 30:52
Um, yes. And then you know, there is hyperthyroidism, right. And we don’t usually talk about that that much. Because if you have hyperthyroid, you know, heart palpitations, you’re in the emergency room, you can’t swallow and stuff like that. So you can go too low. But every body is different. I want to say this before we move on to the next Labs is, you know, within medicine for a really, really long time. The ranges are there still are actually they’re too broad. The to rock. Yeah, too broad. But then what I started noticing, and I’m actually thankful for this one functional ranges for, you know, proposed, they’re very, they’re not as broad, they were very kind of, like, not strict, but they were more, you know, staying tight. Yeah, there you go. And it helps so many people. But now because of how tight they are, we’re not allowing for variations, right? We’re not allowing there is variations if someone is in ketosis, if someone’s low carb, is someone’s eating more protein is someone’s losing weight. So I’ll give some ranges that your listeners can kind of work off of depending on where they’re at, in their health journey. But we just have to know that functional ranges are going to vary for each person, you just can’t go too low or too hot. So yeah,
Dr. Mindy 32:08
okay. Yeah. And you, you have a great ebook that you are graciously giving away on all the labs to look at for thyroid, so you guys will put that link that in the notes so you can get access to that. And that’s, I think that will be so helpful for people. So thank you. Okay, what’s the next one?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 32:26
Okay, so TSH goes from the pituitary, and it goes to the thyroid, and that’s where you get released to form. Okay, now, I want to clarify, because there’s still doctors that are testing total T for it. That’s not what we’re concerned with. We’re not just concerned with what’s bound up what we’re concerned is, what’s readily available. What can I use to be converted to be activated to help me feel better and function better and do what needs to happen? So you want it to be free and unbound t four, t four is going to give you an idea of what’s happening at the thyroid, right? Okay. Is there a possibility that we’re missing nutrients, minerals, the building blocks, you know, thyroid, thyroid, thyroid, thyroid globulin? Right? The protein, iodine, you can get an idea of Wait, is it in the thyroid? Is there an issue with my thyroid, by how much free tea for you putting out now free tea for I see that range, it can go 1.1. and above, I say that, again, because I’m seeing people over and over again, like the lower limit can be point 6.7 3.9, they’re at a point a, that’s a big red flag, you’re going to be crashing eventually, maybe sooner than you think. So keeping an eye on this free range is really, really important.
Dr. Mindy 33:39
So is it fair to say TSH will tell you more about what’s going on in the pituitary and how it’s responding to total body? Whereas t four is really free t four is really about what’s going on with the thyroid
Dr. Rebecca Warren 33:54
with the thyroid, yeah, that’s a good way to look at it. So what you’re saying it can change. I have people that are chronically stressed one season and I test it again and they take care of themselves and that TSH normalizes, right, whereas three to four is gonna look at you know, that thyroid output that thyroid production, thyroid production awesome. Now to free tier four has to be converted has to be activated in the liver and the gut kidneys. So you have to look at free t three, you can have great looking TSH, you can have good amounts of free t four and be completely depleted a free t three and have hypothyroid symptoms, right? You have to look at free t three. Now the interesting thing with free t three I want to put out there is this that free t three there’s, you know, you talk about fasting, you talk about ketosis and you know, low carb and high fat and all these things. So there’s this conversation that’s happening out on the interweb. Right? where people are like, Well, you can’t do those things.
Dr. Mindy 34:51
Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. I wanted to get to lifestyle because I have some very strong opinions, but go ahead. Well, yeah,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 34:57
well, what I was gonna say is like, you know, you Can’t do those things because you need carbs to convert to 43? Um, no, let’s take a step back. Because when you look at the studies, what we notice is that carb metabolism is associated with 243 conversion, we know that when you get into ketosis or when you utilize fasting, that conversion goes down, we know what is happening, but they’re not talking about why it’s happening. studies are looking at these changes, but they’re not saying, Oh, it’s happening, because this is a bad thing. In fact, when you look at studies with people that are overweight, and they’re losing weight, or we look at predominantly those types of studies, where people are losing weight, and they’re keeping it off, you see a decrease of T three as well. All of the markers in these studies, people are improving, and their t three is going down, but they don’t see it as a bad thing. No, because a lot of carbs, a lot of extra fat, a lot of stress on the body will make you need more t three to deal with these extra added stressors, right? Interesting. So increased fat, you’re gonna you’re gonna need bad fat, right? Bad, bad, bad fat. Yes, yeah, exactly. Chronic, like increase of carbs. Without any diversity, you’re going to need more and more and more teeth reproduction to deal with that to deal with all this carb metabolism. Because I and I’ll tell you, I’ll be completely transparent. I thought it was a bad idea for people to do like keto, or like, you know, fast, until I had people come in. And it was for the first time in years that they felt better, they started losing weight, they started seeing all these amazing changes. And when I would pull their labs 33 was less. Remember, t three is associated with ATP and energy production. When you’re producing ketone bodies, you have different energy substrates, you’re more efficient with energy production and utilization. So there’s less need for t three, you also see, with fasting, this is a huge thing I see with fasting is increased cell receptor sensitivity. The same thing with insulin and blood sugar, where you actually don’t need to make more, you don’t need to take more thyroid medication, you’re actually binding up what is in your body more efficiently than you just don’t need more, your body’s just becoming more efficient at utilizing that.
Dr. Mindy 37:24
So is it is it as simple as when you increase carbs, when you increase bad fats, you’re creating cellular inflammation. So that’s, that’s going to be harder on the cell, you’re going to drain the energy of the cell, but you’re also going to make it hard for the teeth for t three to actually get into the cell. It is it isn’t that simple. So when when we start to clean up our diet, you make those that sell a lot more receptive to being able to respond to T three, yeah,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 37:53
a big thing that people need to pay attention to as they’re making these types of changes is that if you are on thyroid medication, what I have found is and this is actually a very common thing within functional thyroid approach. But you you’re on a lot more medication than what you actually need. Because you’re not binding and utilizing it more
Dr. Mindy 38:15
as your if you don’t fix the cell, you’re going to need more medication, you’re going
Dr. Rebecca Warren 38:20
to need more and more and more, you’re going to need more thyroid output. Even if you’re not on medication, you need more thyroid output because you’re not binding and utilizing it. So one big thing I can see with fasting. And you know, eating good quality fats and changing and nourishing your body is that people can go in to hyper thyroid, they feel like oh my gosh, you know, like hyperthyroid people say type of thyroid, you’re not hyperthyroid. hypothyroid is a disease process. You’re just on too much medication, you just don’t need
Dr. Mindy 38:51
it. You know, we see that in our reset Academy. I see that all the time as we start to clean up people’s diet, teach them to fast AI, if they’re on thyroid, or have thyroid issues, they’re on thyroid medication, I always tell them, if you start getting those old thyroid symptoms that show up, you start feeling like there’s a thyroid storm, this is where you need to look and go back to your doctor and see if we can lower that medication down. Because you’re just being more efficient at using the hormones the medication is provided.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 39:20
That’s absolutely right. And people think it’s a bad thing. Like, right, gosh, I have symptoms now. And I’m like, this is great.
Dr. Mindy 39:26
I know. I do that all the time. Like that’s awesome. One of the things that I’ve noticed in fasting hundreds of 1000s of people is that we as a human race are incredibly mineral deficient. And a large part of that is coming because our soils, the food that our soils are growing in are incredibly depleted, especially here in America. But throughout the world, we’re seeing that soils are not having the same mineral rich content that they did years ago. We also know that if you You’re an athlete and you sweat a lot that you’re going to deplete your minerals if you’ve been using any kind of drugs or alcohol that they deplete minerals and minerals are really strange because they have this subtle yet powerful effect on our brain and our body. So things like depression and anxiety have been linked to mineral deficiencies. Not being able to sleep can be linked to a mineral deficiency. So in fasting hundreds of 1000s hundreds of 1000s of people I’ve really noticed that the world is mineral deficient, which is why I am constantly looking for mineral resources and element has done an incredible job with their products. So if you’re not familiar with element they are a mineral packet you can put it in your water as you’re going throughout your day they will keep you in a fasted state and they have you really yummy flavors. The the new ones that I’m pretty excited about are watermelon and grapefruit, but a house favorite is the berry the citrus salt and the lime. So check out element if you go to drink element so let me spell it for you because it’s a little tricky play on word words I actually say element T or element depending on how you want to say it. So the website is drink element. So d r i n k l m n t.com forward slash Mindy Pels and if you go We’ll also leave the link in the in the notes below but if you go and you check out their website, they will give you a discount and let me know what your favorite flavor is. The other interesting thing I should have sent you this study because you know being out in the fasting world I’ve I’ve seen some questions over the years about well, my doctor said I shouldn’t fast because I have a thyroid issue or this health influencer says I shouldn’t fast because of the thyroid. The research on on thyroid and fasting. Well, let me tell you a pivotal study I saw that it showed that when you go into a fasted state, yes, t three goes down. But when you bring food back in, t three goes back up. So it’s a little bit of like, if you’re struggling to make t three, this isn’t even talking about getting t three into the cell. If you’re struggling to make t three it’s like a reboot to the T three system. And perhaps that’s because of what fasting does to the liver and the gut and its ability to convert t four into T three, perhaps. But when you just look at that one study, and you go oh my god, don’t faster, you’re gonna tank T three. No, we have to now look what happens when we reintroduce food because now we see healthy levels come back up. Have you seen studies like that?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 42:53
Yeah. And and you know, what’s interesting is we have studies on individuals that have been on the ketogenic diet, because of neurological issues like epilepsy and stuff like that. They’ve done studies on kids and older adults. And so what I’ve seen is that they see a decrease in T three, they don’t see a decrease in T for which it’s a big deal when we know what t three is made for, how it interacts with our body, how it interacts with insulin, and carbs and all of these things and, you know, bad fat, we can see, you know, when we’re looking at these ketogenic studies that yeah, it’s gonna go down, but when introduced with foods, like you know, like, you know, refeeding de refeeding, young that come up, but I will say this, there is a disclaimer, I always give the same way. cornice is right, when you’re introducing a good, you know, beneficial stressor, there is a point where you have to stop and you have to repeat there’s a season to great breakdown, what’s happened you there’s a season to build up. And the one thing I want people to keep an eye on is that you can fast too much if you’re not refeeding appropriately, right, you can restrict carbs too much. When you’re not repeating and you need a repeat period. Insulin is involved with the enzyme called gi days. And it’s a part of that’s what converts t 43. Right, and the liver and an insulin response allows that enzyme to go into play and increase that conversion. So these read the days are vitally important to kind of wake up this enzymatic activity to increase that conversion, kind of let your body know that everything is good, because what you don’t want to see is you don’t want to see a decrease in T for output from all the fasting and ketosis, right? If I see someone come in, I see a lot of people that are doing low carbon and if I see that T for over time has started to decrease. I’m like that’s, that’s too much. Remember, brain, pituitary is going to affect that T for output. That’s where we’re gonna TSH and T four. So it’s really important to keep track of
Dr. Mindy 44:57
that. What I always say is If you have a thyroid condition, you got to vary your fast you got to vary your diet more than the typical person. So when we hear these blanket statements like don’t fast on to keto with thyroid, I would put a little Asterix and say don’t do it all the time. Yeah, that’s very echoey. Yeah. Do you feel like there’s the three macronutrients one’s more important for the thyroid and the whole system that we’re talking about?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 45:26
Honestly, fat, right. Okay. So again, brain cell receptor sensitivity, thyroid, thyroid sites, like the thyroid cell. And I will say this, and I think this is really interesting. I came across some studies, it’s only been discovered kind of in the last few years, and they’re not going in the right direction right now. But I know in the future, they will. Adult thyroid stem cells, thyroid tissue regeneration, they will just say, the thyroid Yeah, has adult stem cells. The problem is they’re only looking at it in light of cancer, because they’re looking at it as a negative thing. Like if someone gets their thyroid cut out, and they have tissue left behind, they can regrow their thyroid.
Dr. Mindy 46:12
I’ve seen that happen.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 46:13
Uh huh. And but they see it as a bad thing right there. They’re only looking at stem cells as, Oh, this is cancer. How is connected with cancer. This is a big deal, because 90% of hypothyroidism, which we got to finish those labs here in a second, but by 20% of hypothyroid. People, like individuals have an autoimmune disorder. That means their thyroid is getting destroyed, their thyroid cells can die, especially if it hasn’t been addressed. For years and even decades crazy, this idea that we had these adult stem cells, that tissue can regenerate, and we’re trying to tell people that they shouldn’t fast when we know how amazing fasting can be for stem cells and regeneration in the past. There’s so many possibilities there. So I wanted I knew you would like that.
Dr. Mindy 47:03
Yeah, so two things I will say on that when I first started doing diet changes with my patients like 10 years ago, I had a woman who had her thyroid removed. We put her on on a really clean diet started her intermittent fasting. This was kind of even pre keto. We didn’t even do keto. We just cleaned up her fads and cleaned up, made her do nature’s carbs as opposed to refined carbs. She didn’t have a thyroid, but her thyroid numbers started improving. And her and she started to get that thyroid storm feeling again. And her her she went to her doctor and her doctors like I think we got to take your medication down. This makes no sense because you’ve, you’ve had it removed. And I said maybe there’s tissue in there that’s regrowing. And I’ve seen it with ovaries too. We’ve seen people in our community with full hysterectomy, and they’re told your sex hormones are gonna be tanked within weeks. And years later, they’re still making estrogen, progesterone and testosterone. And these are like, you know, late 30s, early 40s, they’re not early early, that would be really early menopause. So I think it’s really interesting that just because you remove an organ doesn’t mean you took all the tissue out and that tissue could still make some hormones.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 48:15
Absolutely. And I came across the mouse study where they gave the the mice like chemo, which is you know, towards like the thyroid tissue. God stopped it and their thyroid tissue regenerated, like that should give people hope to want to like heal and support and then trust how innately powerful your body is, right? It wants to it wants to go wants to normalize. So
Dr. Mindy 48:41
that’s always working in your favor. Okay, give us I know, there’s a lot of labs give us some of the highlights. And then because I want to save some room for like lifestyle changes, toxins, things that we can like people could leave this podcast and immediately put into action. Yes,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 48:57
absolutely. So free two, three, just within arranges, you know, functional ranges shoot for 3.5, right, or two 3.7. But again, if you’re in ketosis, if you’re low carb, you can say go down to a three 3.1 3.3 everybody is different. I have women that I get them up to a 3.5. And they are they feel horrible, right? They don’t like that they’re they they feel better 3.1. So having that range of 3.1 and above, depending on where you’re at metabolically is really, really important. Then the next two things I want to talk about, which is a really big deal. TPO antibodies in thyroid globulin antibodies tprc under a 930 globulin, it should be under a one. I want to note these two because there’s no drug in the market that’s going to bring down these antibodies. So that means two different things. Doctors are not checking it or if they’re checking it, they’re not talking to you about it, because you actually have to find your autoimmune trigger, whether it’s infection in the gut, heavy metal toxicity. The reason why this has to be talked about more is because this idea Yeah, that we call it thyroid antibodies, you would get an idea and doctors act like this is just an autoimmune response to the thyroid. This is a systemic autoimmune issue. This is a systemic immune issue. They have found the thyroid antibodies can cross the blood brain barrier. They have found that thyroid antibodies, you’re more likely to develop other autoimmune issues three times more likely to develop other other autoimmune issues. So skin issues, gut issues, celiac anemia, like you name it, it is a whole body immune system issue. So when you go to your doctor, and you hear you have a thyroid issue, and you get on Synthroid or armorer, thyroid, all you’re doing is putting in the end product, you’re gonna feel better. Because you got a hormone in there, right? You’re missing it, you put it, but you then ignore where the issue is, or you’re not binding It is there antibodies because if you live with antibodies, you will never get while your hair will continue to fall out. You’re have all your health positive ama and all these autoimmune markers. And you’re like, why do I have this? Well, because you were sold on an idea that these antibodies don’t affect anything else when that is false. Crazy. So 30 antibodies are a big thing. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy 51:12
If they go up into the brain, does that mean they start attacking the brain?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 51:16
They create this autoimmune response, inflammatory response in the brain? Yeah, it’s wild.
Dr. Mindy 51:21
So if you have those more, if you are showing up with positive antibodies, and you’re having depression, anxiety, trouble sleeping, like it could be that those antibodies have crossed the brain, and now are damaging the brain. Go crazy
Dr. Rebecca Warren 51:36
in an inflammatory response up there in the brain.
Dr. Mindy 51:39
Great. Okay, so what are give us some kind of the highlights of those of like, what you said, mold, heavy metals? What else would somebody go looking for if they had these antibodies? So I usually when I
Dr. Rebecca Warren 51:51
look at the fire rate, I want people to understand that you, by the time you have symptoms, it’s been there, years, maybe decades, right? We know antibodies can exist if you don’t test them seven to nine years before you have a symptom, right? So when you’re looking at the thyroid, it’s peeling the layers, right? So these are the layers that I approach it as right number one, look at the toxins in your in your environment that you can change, and then look at your nutrient profile, right? Some people will need some thyroid hormones, because if you’re completely in the whole, like, it’s gonna be hard to want to get up in the morning and do the exercise and do your quiet time or, you know, eat the way you need to do so sometimes utilizing third glandulars. From companies that have grass fed cows good quality with no fillers, right? You can do that. Right, you can do that. And then I’ll look at nutrient values like vitamin D, vitamin B, looking at magnesium, selenium, looking at iodine utilizing an iodine loading test, because the idea is that there’s some easy things that you can supplement with right now, while you dig deeper, do that don’t feel like crap, because it’s gonna be really hard on you, right? That’s the first level, do you need thyroid hormones? What’s your nutrient profile?
Dr. Mindy 53:04
What What do you like vitamin D to be at what levels for thyroid?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 53:08
60. If there’s kind of an autoimmune response, yeah, I might I might get someone closer to a 70 or 80.
Dr. Mindy 53:15
Yeah, you know, I interviewed Dr. Sarah Godfrey a couple weeks ago, and she likes for hormones in general. She likes vitamin D in the 70 or 80 range.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 53:24
Yeah, so the pet like 60 is like for someone. That’s well, right. Like the balance is doing good. If we’re working. If we’re going after thyroid healing, I’m going to get it up to 70 or 80. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy 53:35
And to get that out, iodine has gotten a lot of attention. And people are like, Oh, I have a thyroid problem. I should take some iodine. Talk a little bit about why you wouldn’t just go supplement with iodine and what we need to know about low iodine.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 53:48
Yeah, so the thing is this like, first things first, we listen to an article we have it all the first time. Anytime I coach someone I’m like, you are not allowed to read an article like I just had a call today. And she’s like Dr. Becca, I don’t buy things anymore. I’m like, Yes, slow it down. Like Yeah, here’s something we go out right? You got to understand that iodine tends to be with other minerals. There’s things that keep it that we get it naturally like in nature that will keep it in check like selenium, right? So the big thing to understand about iodine it is a building block and it is possible that the reason why you have a nodule that your thyroid is growing that you’re not making thyroid hormone is because you have low iodine, right because those tier four is from iodine, two, three is from iodine but you also have to understand something number one when you don’t have adequate antioxidants like gluta phi on production when you don’t have adequate Selenium which is part of the gluten ion Peri oxidase complex that protects your thyroid that can change into hydrogen peroxide which is destroyed it’s destroyed toxic fire rate it’s yeah sick, right. So and zinc minute like magnesium cuneyt and copper. You need this complex, a lot of people will go out and get on iodine. The second thing to understand is that iodine will detox halogens, right? fluoride, chlorine, bromine, they aren’t similar. They’re they’re found around each other the periodic table, right? molecularly. They’re similar, which means they’ll compete with each other. And a lot of people we know that we get fluoride and chlorine from water. But what people don’t realize is you’re getting it from the chemicals in your environment, polychlorinated chemicals, polyform fluorinated chemicals, what’s that? flame retardants, nonstick surfaces, Teflon pans, even like food wrapping that when you open something, it’s like smooth surface. These are chemicals in that when they go into the body, they affect the thyroid. So when people start doing all these high amounts of iodine, they’re releasing these chemicals and they’re not having normal bowel movements. They don’t have their clearance pathways open to get rid of them your re circulating these toxins and creating this you know, issue. Yeah, I always recommend if someone’s gonna want to work with it and work with you know, nutritional iodine is until you work with someone or join your group, right?
Dr. Mindy 56:15
Yeah, yeah. What’s like seaweed what would be like a nutritional iodine? So
Dr. Rebecca Warren 56:19
we see seaweed, right? Anything that’s going to be found in the ocean. In fact, I read about how even like, if you live by the ocean, the air the soil is rich in iodine, right? So that’s right. You just heard Dr. Becca says you have to go on your vacation. So you got to go to Hawaii to get data. Tell your partner tell your family, y’all need to go doctor’s orders. But you also get it from organ meats, stuff like liver, eggs, there’s more foods than just what you find in the ocean. So liver eggs, if you do raw milk, if you can handle that, you can see some iodine in there as well. So I like to utilize organ meats. I like to utilize more sea oceans, like cod has high amounts of shrimp, wild caught shrimp that has a good amount what I have done,
Dr. Mindy 57:08
what do you feel about the risk of Okay, the oceans polluted, these fish are polluted. But you if you’re going to try to use food to help your thyroid and the thyroid very susceptible to toxins. Is it a risk benefit, like the benefits outweigh the risks in this moment?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 57:25
I’m going to go and tell you this every single person I would work like I work with everyone will detox they have to detox right? Every Oh yeah. ever die right after? Yeah, for thyroid, everyone every
Dr. Mindy 57:38
human should but but uh, but I just want everybody to make sure they hear that if you have a thyroid problem, you have to detox that is at the root.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 57:48
Yeah. Because so once we get to that nutrient level, there’s glandulars. The next level is make sure your clearance pathways are open bowel movements urinating sweating, liver function, and then look at the guy, right? You got to start there. Got permeability, you know, sensitivity, non celiac gluten sensitivity is huge. Make sure that gut lining is good. Make sure you’re having normal bowel movement. I know some of you guys are like eating veggies and are you’re like one month like 123 gets pregnant, you know, acid reflux that’s not loaded.
Dr. Mindy 58:21
Dr. Rebecca Warren 58:23
You’re not pooping. You’re not getting rid of toxins. If you’re not pooping, you’re not keeping your estrogen check. If you’re not pooping, you’re not breaking down hormones. You’re not you’re not moving things out. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy 58:34
What do you think of carnivore for those people? Didn’t you try carnivore for
Dr. Rebecca Warren 58:37
a while? I did. It was actually really, it was the best my blood sugar has ever been. I like I mean, unbelievable. And I have a whole health history. Right? I live without it. I live without a thyroid, right? Like, for the rest of my life. And that’s why I do what I do. Right? No matter what, I will always have to do protocols, I will always have to reset myself because I don’t have a theory. But carnivore can be such a powerful tool. I like to utilize it for the gut microbiome, right? re modulating Yes, that gut bacteria helping to heal, you know, supportive in that healing. And then I still think it’s important to vary that right, like come out and write in Yeah, I can see some amazing support and blood sugar regulation in the gut microbiome.
Dr. Mindy 59:21
So okay, so I want to summarize this because I again, I feel like we need another episode on this. So you guys, if you love it, leave notes for us leave reviews, let us know what else you’d love to know. And we’ll bring Dr. Baca back on, but I just want to summarize it so that people have a clear path when they when they leave this podcast. So we’ve decided that TSH is a poor singular measurement of thyroid is that you would agree with that. Absolutely. And so you have a bunch of labs that you recommend we there’s an E book a free ebook you guys can get we’ll leave a link and we discussed the most important labs. Is that what you Yeah, yeah. Okay, then when we look at diet, change, We know we need to look at our oils, we need to look at our refined carbohydrates. And then anything else was there a third why
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:00:07
I think getting into ketosis, I think would be really beneficial to give your thyroid, your conversion, a break, to utilize these ketone bodies more efficiently for energy. I think it’s very encouraging to see that your body still wants to lose weight and get well and increase energy as you’re healing your thyroid. So I think it can be a really powerful tool when done appropriately. You lost
Dr. Mindy 1:00:32
weight recently, you look like you’ve lost weight. I haven’t seen you in person since March. But you look great.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:00:40
I’ll have to come back. And we’ll have to talk about the connection with the thyroid and sex hormones and fibroids and everything I did with that. Because, you know, by the time let me go in and tell you this, one of the biggest things because this is going to be shocking when people hear this, you know, one of the biggest things that as I dug deeper about like, why did I create thyroid cancer because people have thyroid issues can create their cancer, it’s a really fast growing cancer, especially amongst women. I have high Mercury, high, high mercury levels. I don’t have any amalgam fillings, I don’t have any exposure to Mercury, but my mother has copper now full of our tree. And I mean, I had really, really high levels. And so that’s been a process for me to detox like the heavy metals. We know mercury has an affinity for that thyroid. So yeah, yeah, it’s a hard.
Dr. Mindy 1:01:30
It’s crazy. You know, I interviewed Dr. Laura bryden, the other day, who’s a hormone expert. And she really dove into lead and talked about how as you move through times of hormonal swings, that she specifically zoned in on lead that lead is going to get stored in skeletal bone, it’s gonna come out when hormones go up and down. Do you feel like the same as with the thyroid? Like if it is, I don’t actually is Mercury is stored. I know it’s stored in the brain, isn’t it stored in in nervous tissue and the thyroid? And like, if if we go through big hormonal swings, does it come out? What initiates that mercury to leached out?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:02:09
Oh, yeah, those big hormonal shifts as well. I was gonna note that’s interesting, or said that I had lead I had a lead dump
Dr. Mindy 1:02:15
after pregnancy, right? Like I find it. Yeah. And I actually had a, I had a thyroid problem. And after my second child, and they wanted to remove it, or they want to radioactive, and luckily, I was so committed to breastfeeding, they were like, you would have to stop breastfeeding. And I’m like, I don’t you know, mama bear hair was like, No, I’m gonna breastfeed my child for two years. And then let’s revisit this. Well, it had gone away. Yeah. And I never had to deal with it.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:02:43
No, I’m glad you noticed that, because I see, when I look at someone’s health history, like even when I coach them, how this woman she was in her 70s. And I’m asking her questions about when she was in her 20s. And she’s like, Why? Why are we talking about my past? Can we? I was like, because that’s, that’s how we got here, right? Because when you see those big hormonal shifts is when I do see those thyroid issues come to the surface. I’m seeing more women more young girls, when they get their period. There’s something off for the thyroid, that bringing them in, I’m seeing a postpartum a lot of women are suffering with postpartum depression or anxiety because let me go postpartum is different than postpartum depression, anxiety, right? postpartum is just that period of time. But there’s women that are running on fumes that are feeling depressed and anxious and their doctors are not checking those thyroid hormones, checking their hormones and they’re depleted and they’re struggling, right? And then perimenopause and menopause, I have women that I’ve kind of just push through life, right? They get crapped on they do it, but they can’t do it through menopause and my thyroid just crashes after menopause But yeah, I see those toxins start to move into circulate after those hormonal shift and
Dr. Mindy 1:03:51
I think it’s important for women for women specifically to know that because you there is a tendency to think you’re going crazy you’re like I was this way and now I’m not this way what happened I didn’t change anything in my life. And it’s when we see these big fluctuations in hormones that you get this toxic dump so
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:04:09
we’ve normalized the we have it’s it’s common just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s normal. And you’re not crazy, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you’re
Dr. Mindy 1:04:19
not crazy is really the message we hope you get this from this. So okay, so we got to look at our toxic load we look at at changing our oils, we look at going keto. And then we don’t look at throwing supplements at it until we have a proper idea of what we’re dealing with with Would you agree with that?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:04:39
Yeah, I will say this, I’ll add to you can start off two things with detoxing is well detoxing your environment, change your water to water
Dr. Mindy 1:04:48
right away, like whole house
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:04:51
Water, water filtration, because you’re showering in it right? You’re showering with hot water and these chemicals in your water like our county is chlorinated water. Right drinking it right it’s everywhere right? So you’re drinking it you’re taking a shower do that decrease that like the second thing is change out plastics right two things that you can start off with right there change out these endocrine disrupting chemicals. You can start there but I will say across the board minerals minerals are always a great place to start awesome no I came across a study that veggies because of mono agricultural soil is so depleted veggies mineral mineral content down 30% meat 15% and especially if you’re low carb right, the one thing I’ll tell you there’s been a shift in my practice and you everyone used to talk about multivitamins uh huh we need to talk about minerals we’re
Dr. Mindy 1:05:44
so yes we’re so depleted yes
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:05:48
I think that is a supplement that right off the bat like I feel like almost everybody
Dr. Mindy 1:05:53
everybody I need with Yeah, you know that was been my big takeaway from fasting so many people is I see all these like hair Fallout, heart palpitations, trouble sleeping, and I realized, oh my gosh, the whole world. This isn’t just the US. This is the whole world is mineral deficient. And it starts if you guys are hearing this for the first time, it really starts with the poor way that we take care of our soils. Yeah. And in America, it’s really bad. I know regenerative agriculture is really making a surge which is great. But like something as simple. When I go to Italy and vacation in Italy, I’ve noticed my hair grows more my nails grow faster. And I think oh my gosh, what is in the food here that I’m not getting back home. It’s so interesting. The mineral the way minerals play out in our life. So
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:06:41
glad you said that, because I’ve been noticing that too. I’m like, almost everyone, everyone. Everybody should. Yeah, and it’s and it’s a type of thing that is going to affect so much, but you’re not going to pinpoint it right? You’re not gonna be like, oh deficient. But
Dr. Mindy 1:06:54
yeah. And doctors, I mean, if they can’t even test beyond TSH, how they gonna think minerals. So that was amazing. Well, okay, I definitely gonna have to bring you back. Because this, you know, it’s interesting, because I told Jessica, when I was preparing for this today, I was like, I really want an episode for people that go to episode where people can understand the bigger picture of thyroid. And I feel like you just gave us that. So thank you so much. And then we’re gonna bring you back again. And we’ll do another episode that goes a little bit deeper. So if you guys love it again, leave a review, share it out. And let us know what else you want to know about this so that we can get you the resources. I have five rapid fire questions for you. But before I go into that, how do people find you and I know a lot of my reseller community is going to go stalk you after this.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:07:46
So you can find me at Dr. Rebecca Warren, Dr. R, Eb, ecpa, Warren W, ar n.com, Instagram and Facebook. And I do have a face free Facebook group healing after thyroidectomy, because we didn’t even get a chance to talk about thyroid, and that is what’s happening, there’s a mess. And maybe we can come back and talk about that. But I want to support people in that way. And before the questions I want to just say a few things really quick. I just hope that everybody understands how remarkable their body is, it does the right thing, man at the right time. And you’re going to be frustrated, there’s going to be, you know, times I know that you hate your body, and you don’t understand why it feels like it’s working against you. Just because you’ve been in this broken medical system does not mean that your body has failed you and there’s so much hope. I hope you know how amazing your body is. The second thing is get plugged in. If your people are listening to you, your community like this is life changing information. Do not go to your endocrinologist and your medical doctor expecting them to tell you things that’s not in their toolbox. You know what they’re good at. They’re great at it. You need the lab work in the medication. You need surgery, do that. But this is why programs like this exist, right? Yep, that you can get through information that you can implement and get yourself well. So those are
Dr. Mindy 1:09:13
those are new, like spoke right at my heart. And I would agree like if you guys are struggling with your thyroid today, don’t ever let a doctor bully you. Don’t ever let a doctor tell you that you cannot heal a switch doctors because when you really dive into understanding the body, you see that the body can heal from the most amazing situations you just have to find the strategies that work with that healing. So it totally agree. Thank you for saying that self. Okay, here’s my first question are starting a book club. So if there was one or two books that you’re like, everybody needs to read. It doesn’t have to be on thyroid. It could be an addiction. It could be something that inspired you in your life, but a game changing book that you would love people to read, what would it be?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:09:58
Oh, absolutely. One of my favorite books. is the art of not giving enough.
And this book is amazing because it takes the things we avoid talking about and looking at debt, it takes out these negative things. And it shows that the things that we avoid are the things that grow us. But he does such an amazing approach to it. And the idea is this, we have only so much of ourselves to give. And we have the we need to give of ourselves when we can and when we can’t we stop. And don’t avoid the sock, the sock is where good things happen. So I recommend every single person or that book, I
Dr. Mindy 1:10:50
love that, okay, we’re gonna add it to we’re creating a big book list so that like the end of the season, all of our guests will put out their favorite books. I’m so excited for it. Okay, if you were the Surgeon General of the United States right now, and you know, when that’d be amazing, we’re not and you are in charge of solving the thyroid problems that are happening here in this country. And this would apply really we have a worldwide audience, what what are like three steps, you would you would start with to change the direction that thyroid health is going,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:11:22
Okay, I would change this the whole fat, low fat recommendation, okay. Change the whole lot low fat, I would get the most up to date research and say this is this is dumb. Yeah, stop doing this. Right. Okay. Um, the second thing is, you know, we have programs that, you know, what do they call it, where they pay farmers for subsidized, right, they subsidize things. And I think the problem is what I realized, through COVID, I was trying to get family in Mississippi, some supplements. And there are areas throughout this country where people either don’t have access to the nutrients they need, or the supplements that they need, or it’s just really difficult for them to afford it. We’re subsidizing all these different grab, why can’t we put money into helping people actually have access to things like vitamin D, right? If I’m going to do governments that
Dr. Mindy 1:12:12
go, yeah, I’m now electing you.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:12:17
And then the final thing I would do is I would work away to start I would have to work with a different part within the government is look at this toxicity that’s being put into our everyday products, right? Yep. Our skin. fragrances like seeing how we can change that. Because that is going to be such a detrimental thing to overall health.
Dr. Mindy 1:12:43
Love it. Absolutely. Love it. I am agree with those three. Okay, if you could go back to Was it 19 when you had your thyroid removed, and you’re walking out of that doctor’s office in in despair, and you’re going to give that girl some advice? What would you give her?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:13:00
You can try to make me cry here.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:05
We go deep here on the reset, or,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:13:08
you know, man, if? First I would say it’s okay, right? Take your time. Take your time. What? Just take your time, like, look at you look at me, okay, I love it. This is
Dr. Mindy 1:13:24
I know, I know it’s hard.
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:13:26
For seven years after this happened to me, I couldn’t even talk about it without crying. Like my first date with my husband. He asked me about the scar in my neck. And I like started bawling like, Oh my gosh, on my first date. So you know, the first thing I would say is like, you know, take your time, a lot of times when we go to the doctor’s office, we might hear the C word. We might hear these diagnosis, and you got to take your time. You never want to make a medical decision out of fear or hopelessness. Don’t want to place you know that decision, right? The second thing is to take a step back and to remember and this is a principle within chiropractic that I take with me wherever I go. Is that the so yeah, the body’s created tool itself, but it does the right thing at the right time. Yes, always. But But I have cancer in my thyroid. Exactly. Why did that happen? You cannot cut your way to health, right? Why did that happen? And then the final thing is, get connected. Again, I said this, I said this, like people if you’re listening to this, you have an amazing community, send people to your YouTube videos. Like there’s so much amazing, powerful information out there. But it, it can feel like you’re alone on an island, if all you’re doing is going to doctor’s appointments and not hearing the truth about healing or not hearing what research says. So being connected, I wish I had had a community that I could go to and say I’m struggling, I’m scared, I’m nervous. It’s impossible. I’m making these changes and have that support. So those are
Dr. Mindy 1:14:57
the love that oh my gosh, I am Love that. Okay, next question. I got two more questions for you. The pandemic, with there’s a lot of things we could talk about the negative impact it had on people, but a lot of us had really positive or haws and gifts that came out of the pandemic. And I’m going to start talking about it like it’s over so that we can I start manifesting that. Yeah. So what is it, that was the biggest gift for you over the last year, year and a half?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:15:24
Honestly, it’s, it’s what I saw around me, there’s, there’s, and this is people can still make this decision right now, you have, you have two paths that you can take, you can look at this pandemic, and say, everything is scary, the viruses, infections, the pathogens, it’s scary, and we need outside help. Or you can look at this path and say, I don’t want to depend on the government for help, I have to do something to change my situation. I want to make sure I’m as well as I can be. And the really cool thing, I will say this our clinic, our virtual coaching, it grew exponentially. And it was so shocking, first of all, but it made me be so thankful that so many people thought to themselves, I want to be well, I don’t want to be sick, I don’t want underlying things that are going to make me end up in the hospital, I want to invest in my health now. So that was so amazing, and beautiful for me to see.
Dr. Mindy 1:16:30
Do you know that in my membership community that I do on Saturday mornings, we do a workout, and then I do a coffee talk? And I always say, you know, I’ll just talk about current events and what I’m seeing, and people keep requesting, like, Can you talk about the Delta variant? Can you talk about vaccines Can you and because they walk, they’re dying to talk about it. If you go to social media, it’s like, they’re so slanted. But it really gives me hope that people are wanting to take back responsibility. They just need to think it through for themselves. And they’re not being given that opportunity by you know, social media, the government. So I love this idea about community and asking questions, and just stepping out of fear by stepping into your own power, right? I just love that. So amazing. Okay, last question. If you had one message for the world, that you could get into everybody’s brain and help them see what would that be?
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:17:27
one message for the world? Girl, you gotta like warn people? Well, I
Dr. Mindy 1:17:33
want you going straight to your heart. That’s what I want. Yes, the first thing that comes to your mind,
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:17:40
I have, okay, I will say this. We got to give ourselves grace, then we have to give ourselves grace. Like, I think one of the things that I’ve noticed a lot lately is we’re so dang hard on herself. Yep, we mess up, we eat a doughnut. We don’t work out. We you know, we yelled at our kid today. We, you know, didn’t, you know, do what we said we’re going to do? And we beat ourselves up in our internal conversation is so hugly, right? It’s just so detrimental. We don’t realize, like, I always give this example. Like if your child was starting to walk, and they kept falling down. Could you imagine how horrible it was? If I was like, come on, you know? You’ve seen people walk? Yes. See,
Dr. Mindy 1:18:33
you’ve had three years, your early years, however
Dr. Rebecca Warren 1:18:35
long it is, it would be horrendous. And you think it would be abusive, and yet we say this to ourselves inside our head. And because it’s in our head, we don’t have anyone to call that out. And so the biggest thing is, when we can show ourselves grace, when we can love ourselves, then we can love others and show other people grace. But a lot of people that spew hatred has so much hatred for themselves. Yeah, that just argue and fight have so much internal, you know, just to like being torn, right? And so giving yourself grace and allowing yourself to grow and to love yourself through that so that you can give that to others. I think it’s really, really needed right now.
Dr. Mindy 1:19:16
Hey, resellers, I just want to start off by saying thank you so much for all your wonderful reviews. And those of you that have left me comments on iTunes. I just greatly appreciate your thoughtfulness and how much you guys are enjoying these episodes. And it seems like you’re enjoying them as much as I am enjoying doing them. One of the things that I’ve learned in just interacting with so many people is that we’ve really lost the art of deep conversations. And for me, the resetter podcast stands for having meaningful conversations with people who are thinking about health, about life, about mindset in a way that we may not be getting on social media or in mainstream media, and so I just want to say give you guys a shout out and just say thank you for participating in this process with me. Because as much as I absolutely love delivering the information to you, I love even more knowing that it’s impacting your life. So please let us know if there’s anything we can do to make this podcast more customized to you to make it better. We are now officially in season two. And we are working to bring you the best conversations that health influencers have that mindset changers can give and to really deliver you something that you’re not able to get anywhere else. So from the bottom of my heart, as I always say my YouTube from the bottom of my heart. I am deeply appreciative of you. I am deeply grateful to be on this journey with you and let’s get healthy together.