How to go from ‘Not Enough’ to ‘Worthy’ – with Jamie Kern Lima

Dr. Mindy  

On this episode of The recenter podcast, I am bringing you Jamie Kern Lima. Now a little bit about Jamie. So she wrote a book a New York Times best selling book called believe. And it was a lot around her trajectory. As a businesswoman, she actually started a makeup line and was a top producer for QVC. So she’s just vibrant, and, and so articulate, which you’ll see in this conversation. But she ended up selling her company for a billion dollars, which is impressive. And the path to being able to sell that company was filled with a lot of rejection. And you’re going to hear it in this conversation, I literally want to take notes as I was interviewing her. There are so many times in our life that we come face to face with rejection, and it can trigger all kinds of self doubt. And what you’re going to learn today from Jamie is how to overcome those moments. And some stay all the way through because some of the stories, especially the ones at the end get better and better. She has a whole story of how she met Oprah. She went to her house and

Dr. Mindy  

her storytelling is incredible. And she has a lot of stories about how she was building this company. How many people didn’t believe in her specifically? Because in the beauty industry, she didn’t look the way that they wanted. They want people to look and how did she overcome that. So she has a new book out called worthy, and it comes out this week. So please go order it. She says it’s her best work. And I can tell you, if her book is anything like this conversation, it is going to change the lives of millions of women. And Jamie has going to help us go from I am not enough to I am worthy. So I love this woman. I loved this conversation and I see it as a soul gift to you. And I know that you’re going to not only walk away from this conversation with more insight on how you can fully step into the life you want to live, but that you’re going to fall in love with Jamie as deeply as I did. And please go get her book worthy. So Jamie Kern Lima, here you go, this is my gift to you. Enjoy.

Dr. Mindy  

Welcome to the resetter podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself. Again. If you have a passion for learning, if you’re looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you.

Dr. Mindy  

Okay, so for starters, I always tell my guests like I love good conversations. And I feel like I’m welcoming you to my dinner table. Even though I don’t have any food. I love the depth of your heart and your mind and where this conversation is gonna go. So, welcome to my podcast. Thank you. I am so excited to be here. So honored and grateful. Proud of all the work you’re putting out in the world. Thank you. Yeah. So can you start off because your story is amazing and inspired me and I want everybody to hear where what the fire you’ve been through and where you landed so that you people understand the power of what you’re trying to teach in this book. Yeah, yeah. So you know my story when you Google my name right you Jamie currently my new Google the press that always comes up Danny’s waitress builds billion dollar company. I started a company called it cosmetics in my living room and went through hundreds and hundreds of knows I was trying to change the beauty industry. I was trying to make it inclusive and show real women and you know, models of every age and shape and size and skin tone. And you know I have rosacea. So I was showing, you know, my own skin challenges. And when I launched that it just wasn’t being done at the time. So for years, I had this big dream that faced tons of rejections and opposition and eventually eventually started getting yeses and launched on QVC. And we eventually built a company with over 1000 employees and yeah, and eventually L’Oreal bought this company started in my living room and paid about a billion dollars cash, which is amazing. But really so when you Google me, that’s the story you read. But my real story is a girl who most of my entire life like didn’t believe I was enough. didn’t believe deep down inside I was worthy. And I used to think I was alone in those feelings. And why I wrote worthy the book is because 80% of women. We don’t believe we’re enough. Yeah. 80% Right. You know it’s 70

Jamie 

3% of men feel inadequate as well, you know, 75% of female executives deal with imposter syndrome. 91% of women and girls don’t love their body. Yeah. So, I mean, I’ve Mindy, and I know, this is why you and I are like instant, right? And like the time for change has come. And I think it’s so easy to think. And I know this from experience that, oh, if I just get this thing, then I’ll feel enough. If I just get, you know, this goal, or this, this company, or this certain job title, or the relationship or, you know, the six pack abs, whatever it might be get the thing, then I’ll feel enough. And those things where I have learned the hard way, as those things help us build confidence, which is really great. But if underneath it all, we don’t feel worthy, we will never feel like we’re enough, and will sabotage our dreams and goals will stay stuck and plateau at things. Well, it will hit a big goal, but then somehow backtrack. And we have a whole kind of world right now that is getting good at building confidence, which is important. But if but not realizing if you don’t learn how to build true self worth underneath. Yeah, then you’ll never it’ll never fail. You’ll never feel fulfillment. So I’m on a mission. I don’t know. And I love I love your mission. I want to go back to this idea. Because it came for starters, when I when I write my books, there are two places that I spend actually a large amount of time really thinking about. One is my acknowledgments. And then the other one is my dedication. And when I wrote fast like a girl, I was like I this is dedicated to the reader this there’s no dedication. That’s this that’s more worthy with this book. So when I picked up your book, and I read the dedication, I was like, Oh, my gosh, you get it. And I want to go back to what you just said 80% of women don’t feel there enough 75% of female executives who are dealing with impostor syndrome, and 90% of girls and women don’t love their bodies. Why do you think that is?

Jamie  

I think that it is very layered. And I think from the time we are little girls, we literally first first it all starts with with seeing fairy tales, which I love, by the way. And what we start seeing is things like you know, you’re not enough on your own. You’re not complete and whole on your own. Oh, like so insists movies. Exactly. So if you’re Ariel, Little Mermaid, you, you lose your own voice, and you don’t get it back until the prince comes and kisses you and restores your voice and falls in love. If you are, you know, Snow White, or Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty. You’re not complete until the prince comes to rescue you. And while that’s beautiful and fun, and I love all that I still watch the show. Yeah, I love them. Yeah, we have so many messages all around us that as women say, you’re not enough. And by the way, we have well and often well intentioned loving friends and family who are just kind of trained culturally to say, you know, who are you dating? Are you are you? Are you married yet? Are you? You know? Or? Or what’s your job title? Like those things? And if we have this right answer, like when it comes to oh, I have a partner in my life, oh, I have someone else I have the job title, then we get kind of rewarded, we start to learn that those are the things we need to be enough. And it’s a lie, we are born enough and fully worthy. The second we’re born. And so I think what’s so important now is is to every girl, every woman just about out there, oh my goodness, to to really start with awareness and then start to do the work of unlearning those lies that lead to self doubt and not enoughness. And then kind of waking up the truths that that that lead to worthiness. And and it’s really girls and women that learn Oh, on my own, I’m not enough I need I need, you know, someone else to complete me. And then that starts to transition into how girls and boys make decisions growing up. So many studies out there talk about how, you know, if you ask a boy, something he’ll answer and if you ask a girl, she’ll ask her friends, and she’ll want a decision based on consensus. And I found I find myself doing that all the time. And I’m like, oh, but actually know what I want, if I really got ill. But we kind of learned that on our own. We’re not enough. And that teaches us to then stop listening to our own intuition to think that we need to make decision on consensus. Yeah, and then where this escalates which now we see an impostor syndrome everywhere. Yes. Is that, you know, we thought we needed a prince to rescue us growing up. Well, now as as grown women, a lot of us think like, Oh, I’m not enough to actually hold this job title, you know, and we have that and so then we think I need a mentor. And so the number of emails and by the way, I’m such a pro in mentorship. I mentor a lot of women. A lot of people have influenced me big time their mentors in my life. But what I know is, you don’t need a mentor to launch her

Jamie  

idea to, you know, be successful in your job title, or any of those things like, I think mentors are great. But I think as women, it’s so important that we take in all their input all their opinions, and then filter them through our own intuition, our own knowing. And then make, because when I think about when I was building a cosmetics, there were a lot of incredible mentors, they would give me advice. And sometimes I was like, oh, that’s genius that feels right in my gut. But sometimes they would tell me, you know, oh, no, no, don’t do it that way. Like, like, that’s not going to work that’s not going to sell in stores, or whatever, whatever it would be. And I just had this feeling like I get that it’s always been done that way. But I couldn’t shake this feeling like what if women actually are tired of buying from airbrushed Photoshopped images? What if they want to see real people like them? And, and I would tell my mentors, like, I’m so grateful for your advice, but my guts telling me to go and register men to go against the mental health? Yeah. And that makes all the difference when we learn to trust ourselves. Yeah, oh, my gosh. But here.

Dr. Mindy  

So here’s the thing about trusting yourself that I’ve been really trying to unpack. So I and you have it in your book about how we become such people pleasers as women, yes. And then just full transparency. I was born in a into a very loving home. And when my mom was pregnant with me, her father died. So while I was in the womb, you know, he passed my grandfather. And so I have often thought and felt that I was born into a position of pleasing and soothing my mom and and I had a sister that was had a different approach to the family and didn’t really care as much about pleasing the members of the family. So I say all that not as criticism to them, but I grew up that put other people’s needs first. And then think about yourself, and I almost got it to a point where it was like, I’m happy when everybody else is happy. So if I can go around and make sure everybody else is happy, then I can be at peace. So when I first heard that concept of what you’re talking about, of like, listen to your inner voice, and really get to know yourself, it was empty. I didn’t know my and this is like recent. I’m 54. This is like last couple years where I’ve really dove into what do I want? Who am I? How do I want to show up? It’s a hard

Jamie  

question to ask yourself. Yes, yes.

Dr. Mindy  

So how do we go from what we hear when you say, I don’t need a mentor? Listen to your gut. Yeah. And then we go to listen to our gut and there’s nothing there.

Jamie  

Yes. Okay. So the first thank you for sharing that. By the way. I know so many women right now who feel that exact same wave with different experiences. 70% of women deal people pleasing. Yeah. Like can’t break it. Yeah, trying so hard. So hard. Yeah. And, and every time we people, please, for somebody else. We often end up betraying ourselves, when it goes against, right, what you what you truly feel and what’s tough is that when you look at all the data, it is impossible to ever feel truly fulfilled if you’re not showing up as who you fully are. Right? And what you’re saying is okay, I’m trying to tap in who I fully am and I don’t hear it. Like what how there’s the FBI here, nothing, right. Okay, so here’s some quick tools really fast that have that have helped me because we learn again back to this, you know, we make consensus for everyone else. We learn so many of us to play the role right? We like we wake up in the world and we know okay, if I need to do this to make my mom and dad happy that I need to do this to make my teachers happy then if I don’t get good grades, I feel like I’m also a failure and we start learning that to get where we need to get we have to make everyone else happy. And and so we ended up you know, often just get losing touch even with who are we rent a lot of women in their 40s 50s 60s Right now couldn’t answer that. Who am I? Who am I? And and I think it only goes so far where you can make everyone else happy. And then think okay, well, I think that’s what I’m supposed to do to feel fulfilled. But you still end up feeling I bet so many people watching us right now and listening to us can can relate to this. If you feel like there’s something missing like almost like this anguish or aching thing inside like you thought you would feel more fulfilled than you then you are because you’ve done everything right you that you’ve shown up for everyone else you’ve made everyone happy you made your parents happy you did the best you could with your kids like all the things and you still feel like why is there something missing is because you as a soul as expression of who you are as who your Creator made you didn’t make you to ignore who you are, and to try to be there for everyone else. And so To start learning, how do you even hear your own intuition, this will be a little different for people depending on if they practice any particular faith, if they believe in the universe, and they don’t believe in anything at all. But what I know is, no matter your beliefs, every single one of us has a knowing has an unknowing, I feel like it is our soul. I think that our knowing is always more powerful than anyone else’s advice, or than anything else. And so getting in touch with it, I believe, is the only way to build truly fulfilled in life. And it doesn’t mean that you take worse care of other people, it doesn’t mean, but it means that you actually, you know, and this is a very new thing for our generation and generations to come after us. The idea that if you actually learn to take care of yourself, to heal yourself to show up as who you truly are, it’s not just that now, you’re not people pleasing. And so you’re, you’re letting everyone else down. It’s that now you’re setting the example of what you want the women who come after yes to do for themselves. Yeah, right. And when we, when we think about, like, Oh, I just don’t want to be selfish. And it’s actually not about that we think, Oh, I’m showing up for everyone. You know, because I don’t want to be selfish, but But really, we are teaching our daughters and everyone else to, to sacrifice themselves to, because it’s because because people see by example. And so I just want to say for I don’t know who this is for today. But I noticed for someone listening then that to reframe this idea of, of taking care of yourself and and meeting your own needs, and asking yourself, what you need is actually one of the greatest gifts. It’s not selfish, it’s actually selfless in a way, because when the greatest gifts you can give to setting the example of how you want all of the other women in your family and friends circles to live as well. And so to start doing that, the biggest thing that has been the most helpful for me, because for many years of my life, like I remember, when I was waitressing at Denny’s, and I remember, you know, thinking like I have these big dreams, you know, what if what if I could actually own the studies? What if I could be the manager at this Denny’s? And I was start thinking all these and I would watch like, how are the pancakes being? Like, why? Why are customers leaving because the pancakes are taking too long. And I would just start watching all of it. And deep down inside though, like I had that knowing like, Oh, I think I can do something like this. And that’s that’s your soul. Right? Yes. Yes. Like a soul. Yeah. And then your thoughts which are in your head, which aren’t who you are. Yeah, talk yourself out of it real fast, right. So like, I went through seasons in my life, even before I launched cosmetics. I had this gut feeling this knowing, like, wait a minute, you know, I have really bad rosacea on my face. Nothing has worked for me. No, you know, products out there work? What if I could figure out how to create one thing, and that was a knowing. But then my head for the longest time was like, oh, but you’ve got no money you have, you know, you don’t know it, you have no connections in the beauty industry. You don’t know what you’re doing. You’re unqualified. And I feel like so much of our life is sitting between learning to have discernment over hearing those hunches and the intuition, the knowing which is our soul. And then hearing the thoughts, which is our mind, that’s not who we are. It’s all of the things we’ve been programmed to believe from often well intentioned friends and family from how we were raised from commercials on television from everything else and, and so learning to separate the two and when you start doing this, to get to your question, when you start doing this, the greatest tool I’ve learned is to just start by getting still,

Dr. Mindy Pelz  

I was just gonna say I bet you have to get the noise out. Yes,

Jamie  

get still and this could look like you know, if you’re blessed to have a whole room to do that in great if you gotta go sit in the car alone. That’s okay. If you got to go in the closet. If you got to pretend you’re on the bathroom, you go in there and you close the door. And you just get still and ask yourself, How do I feel? And you might not hear anything, and that’s okay. And you just start one step at a time. Yeah, and for some people that looks like praying and asking God to talk to them asking to hear you know him for other people. It’s you know, asking the universe can you speak to me divinely? Can you give me signs? Can you give me whispers? Can you give me hunches for other people just getting still on saying like, what is my knowing or my soul telling me and when you don’t hear anything? That’s okay. You just start the practice. And you will start in an array. Yeah, that starts counting down and as you build your intuition, I see it as a muscle and almost like when you build a muscle in the gym, and and it comes with practice. And so the the last thing I’ll share about this that I’ve that I think is a really great tool on how to how to build that Not knowing up is to just consider in your life right now, looking back at past times, where like past situations where maybe you had this feeling like you want to do the thing, but then everyone around you is like, no, no, don’t do that. Don’t do that. And, and maybe you went against your own your own feeling and you listened everyone else, and then think about what happened. Or on the opposite side, think about a time when you trusted yourself, even though maybe someone’s like, don’t do that. Don’t do that. And then you think about what what was the outcome of that? And how did that feel? Yeah, so many of us can probably identify a past relationship where, like, we knew his phone didn’t go missing. We knew you know what IV, like we and all our friends or family are like, ah, that relationship like he’s no good for you. And we’re like, we’re in love. And we’re like, I think he just lost his phone and disappeared for a few days, I think. I think that was his sister in law with it. Right? Like, and we, we all have these experiences. And what’s beautiful about them is that while they often suck at the time, when we think back to all those times of the moments we, whether it’s we trusted ourselves, or we didn’t. And what happened and we the more we reflect on those, the stronger our intuition starts to build. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy Pelz  

so you so you, you actually create confidence in your own self to make great thoughts a decision

Jamie  

on you and you start to feel you can you can physically feel what that felt like at the time that give

Dr. Mindy  

you and I want to just point out for people that are listening, because I think there’s two things that you’re doing that are brilliant one when you’re saying feel you’re going you’re pointing at your gut. Yes. And I think for me, I can really say that when I get a hunch, and I feel it, it’s an energy in my gut. It’s like almost like somebody goes boom. That’s it. Like I don’t feel it in my head. I feel it in my gut. Yeah, so what I hear you saying is what you’re pointing at your head when you’re like the thoughts that you know in the patterns of belief that stray us in the wrong direction Yes, that’s more of a you can feel the energy in your head as opposed to what you’re you’re saying is like when you have a knowing Yes, it comes from a different body

Jamie  

part. Yes. Yeah. And what I love what I’m excited about for anyone who who’s going to start like going okay, you know what, this is the one change I’m going to make from this from from listening to Mindy and Jamie I’m going to start going what is my intuition telling me a really simple way to start this is you know, think about I don’t know in your friend group or maybe your in laws or in laws are too dangerous. Okay, thinking about your friend group or, you know, their colleagues at work and think about do you have that kind of feeling? That maybe someone is not who they say they are? We all can? Or or you’re in the line to get coffee? And do you feel like instantly like someone just has a light inside of them and they’re this beautiful soul and you feel like someone else maybe is really struggling? Like we can sense these

Dr. Mindy  

things a vibe Yeah, it is a vibration field. Yeah. And, and I think it’s like if you’re gonna, you know, I’ve been doing lately is like, not always turning the lights on to find something in a room. Yes, like, like if my husband’s asleep in a room and I gotta go in and grab something I’m like, don’t turn the lights on because you could train the other senses. Like you couldn’t train your intuition is where it might be your your touch. There’s so much you can learn if you don’t turn the lights on. And that’s what I’m hearing you say is that if you’re in touch with this vibration of knowing, and you train it, then it comes to you quicker and

Jamie  

quicker. Yeah, and it’s how we get in touch with who are we you know, because Because getting in touch with like your authentic self and we hear that word so often authentic authentic, but so few people know who they really are know know who is it ah, and to feel fulfillment and to live the highest truest expression of yourself and, and to be truly close in a marriage truly close in a friendship. If you’re not in touch with who you are. You can only connect, whether it’s with a partner, a friend, any other human being, you can only connect at the level of depth that you’re connected with yourself. That’s it. Okay, wait,

Dr. Mindy  

don’t go. That was so good. And here’s what I want to just point out for people that are listening is that flips the paradigm on the people pleasing? Because if I need like, let’s just say you’re in a, you know, in a marriage and you need the partner to behave a certain way, so that you that you can please them and you can feel good. And then you’re always pleasing people. You’re actually not fully connecting to them. Yeah. So when you connect to yourself and you are authentically showing up the way you want, and expressing yourself, you’re actually pleasing them more because you’re having a deeper connection, exactly,

Jamie  

yeah. And you actually feel fulfilled, and you actually feel connected. And there’s so many people that are thinking that there’s just something wrong with their partner or their friends or this or that. But the truth is, we have to learn who we are to hear ourselves to love ourselves, and that the depth of that will be the the own, that’s going to be the ceiling. Right depth and those other relationships and, and so learning who you are, to your point is such a beautiful offering, to your partnership to your friendships. It’s, it’s, it’s like the biggest gift Yeah, give other people and you think like, oh, you know, and, and some people might not get it. At first, they’ll be like, you know, you’re growing. Are you changing? You’re like, that’s the point. I am growing, I am changing. And I want to see too, that this is so important, because a lot of women especially are like, Oh, but what if I start to trust my gut, and it’s wrong, right? What if I, what if I thought I listened to my intuition. And then i fall i fell flat on my face, or I failed miserably, or I, you know, I went for the thing, and I didn’t get it. And as human beings, like we’re wired to avoid pain at all costs. So if we think that we can’t trust ourselves, and we do, we might be wrong. We just stay stagnant, and we don’t. And so I think what’s so important is that, what I believe what I believe deeply, because I look at all the times in my life that that that I’ve trusted myself, and even that even the times where where I trusted myself, and it didn’t turn out how I thought it would. What I know in my being is and when you when you have this knowing too, I feel like it changes everything in your life, that when you trust your gut, when you trust your intuition, you hear it and you trust it, it’s actually never wrong. It just, it just it just results in either the next right step for you. Or the next right lesson you needed to learn. Yeah, it’s one or the other. So oh is a positive thing. You know, when you you can’t go wrong, you can’t go wrong. And I think it’s the big one of the biggest lies we touched. I go into a whole a whole chapter in worthy in the book on how do you really build that intuition and listen to yourself and how it’s, it literally results in the next right step when you trust it, because sometimes we listen to our gut, we’re like, I don’t have clarity, right? And, and I share a story about how I waited two years on something to make a decision, because I felt like I don’t have crystal clear clarity, so I must not be ready. And that is one of the biggest lies, we tell ourselves that I’m not ready to put my idea out in the world, or I’m not ready to write the book or I’m not ready to, you know, hop on and share how I love fast like a girl on social media. Because what if you know what I mean? And we think we’re not ready. But but it’s not true. It’s actually the biggest, you know, perfectionism and readiness is just a lie. We tell ourselves to stay stuck and to never do anything. If you get still and you work on hearing what feels right. And you just get a slight Inkling. Just take that step go.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah, I’ve learned like speed of implementation is important. When I get a gut feeling. I’m like, Okay, go before the brain starts talking to you out of it is because your head will tell you gotta have it. So yeah. And so there’s like I have to when it when it hits in the gut, I’m like, we’re going because if I don’t go with this idea, this thought or this thing I want to create my life, the brain is going to come in and tell me all the reasons why I can’t do it. An interesting thought that I had, as you were talking is, you know, when you look at what you built in with a cosmetic company, like Surely, there was some point in time, where your brain was like, You’re crazy. Jamie, what are you doing? Yes, yeah. And what how did you handle that? Because I think people could leave a podcast like this, listening to this. And they’re like, Okay, I’m gonna listen to my gut. I’m going to start speaking up for myself. And then they get it in action and the brains like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this?

Jamie  

Yes, exactly. And self doubt will kill more dreams than almost anything else. Yeah. And our thoughts get so loud. And often what will happen is someone might listen to us right now. And like, okay, you know what, I’m going to tell that person I want to be more than just friends. Or I’m going to decide I’m going to make adult friendships, or I’m gonna put my offering out into the world or launch the business. And then all of a sudden, right there around other people, it could be people who love them very much. And they’re the ones saying things like, Oh, you’re crazy, right? Right. So Okay. Something so important. Oh, I pray these words. I pray these words stick to someone right now, because they had been life changing for me. So I was adopted the day I was born and through various family divorces and all kinds of stuff. I have five families. And oh my

Dr. Mindy Pelz  

gosh, yeah. And that’s gonna be a wicked Chris. It is.

Jamie  

I feel so oh gosh, some of my step families. I’m just so close to and just so loving and all the things and and I feel very, very grateful and blessed for that. Families in my life. And with that said, not a single person. I’m aware of an auntie my five families has ever gone to therapy. We learned if you have an issue, you just stuffed it down or you don’t talk about it, you pretend all the things and and, and growing up, I had really big ideas and big dreams. And I often felt like if I shared them with the people around me, they didn’t quite get it. And they would often say things like you’re crazy, almost like people like us that doesn’t those things like that don’t happen to people, I guess. Right? You know, you’re crazy. You’re odd and I always felt I always felt like I was a little different. Or like, I don’t belong.

Dr. Mindy  

I think by the way, I think a lot of people feel that I just want to point that out for our listeners. Like I think I don’t belong I’m not enough shows up in everybody’s mind.

Jamie 

Yes. And you saying that is so important because we often feel we’re alone in that we are threat Yeah, that’s why I like yeah, yes, we feel like okay, so everyone listening to us, okay, this is like a big I wish everyone was like I felt like that’s right. Because we all feel this way. So many of us feel this way. So so right now if you feel like you don’t quite fit in in the friend group or you don’t you feel different or you feel like you have to conform to fit in. There’s a whole chapter in worthy called, you’re not crazy. You’re just first. And here’s how this happened. I was really struggling the first time in my life I was working in television news, I was doing overnights, I was in love with my now husband, but scared to get married because of the examples I have seen in my family. And it was the first time in my life I’d ever had panic attacks and I didn’t even know what they were and I I sought out therapy, and no one in any of my families had ever done that. And and I I’ll never forget, I asked my therapist, I said, I am always told I’m a little different or a little odd or I don’t quite fit in and I’m like, and they caught you know, they call me words like you know, odd or crazier, you know, and I have these big dreams and, and and I asked her Am I crazy? And she’s like, No, you’re not crazy, but I’m really glad you’re here. And she said when you are the first in your families or your peer group to actually tune into who you really are and want to show up as who you are. You’re gonna feel like you don’t belong because you’re first you’re the first ever you and I remember leaving that session and I remember having this aha moment that was like a light bulb so bright it burst where I just was like I’m not crazy I’m just first yeah right and every single person with us right now listening to this watching this you’re the first you there’s ever been there’s that whatever you believe what I know for sure is like your Creator made you there’s no one else like you in the whole universe no one with your thoughts. We all have unique retinas. We all have our own fingerprints our tongue prints are unique. Our heartbeats are there’s not another you in existence. So if you actually are one of the brave ones willing to show up in this world as who you truly authentically are your first there’s never been another you right and so don’t be surprised if not everyone gets you and not everyone understands your dreams and your visions and your hopes like like they were given to you right and and the number of times many to answer your question in building a cosmetics when I would get rejection after rejection after rejection. I was like oh I just you know I want to do things this way I keep feeling like I should show real women my rosacea and and put you know models when I first when I finally got after three years of hearing nose from every beauty retailer because they would always like all the department stores would say they would always use this word they say women will never buy makeup from images like this you have to use unattainable aspiration that was always the word of mouth and I and I’m like I get That’s what’s always been done but what if you know and and and and my big kind of deep lie for the company was like I was raised watching beauty commercials and seeing the ads and magazines I loved them I always aspire to look that way but deep down inside they always made me feel like I wasn’t enough. Yeah, yeah. And so I was like okay, so what if I can try to do a company where the products are great but that every model is you know, every age shape size skin tone skin challenge and show my own issues right and call them beautiful models and mean it and try to try to in a big way shift the whole definition of beauty and industry for every little girl out there who’s about to start doubting herself and every grown woman who still does so I had like this big vision but they were all saying no over and over and over and a lot of times I would remind myself like okay, I I really value their opinion. I used to save my Denny’s tip money to buy a lipstick in their stores. But they’re wrong. And I’m not crazy. I’m just first Yeah, and there’s

Dr. Mindy  

there’s it’s a good mom trot, I find those one liners to snap you out of it. Yeah, are so powerful. And a lot of your chapter titles by the way, I’m also that’s the other part of a book that I’m obsessed with our chapter titles, because they really when you don’t know if you write the title before you write the chapter or after, yeah, but it’s fun to think of like, if I could take one statement that I’m trying to get across here, what would that one statement be? And then you put it as a chapter title. Yeah, so yours are all fabulous like that. So So

Jamie  

I just think, as women and I’ve lived through this and work so hard to build self worth, because we learned that if we just do the things that build confidence, then then we’ll finally feel like it’s enough. And you know, so many, so many of us, especially people that have you know, achiever High Achiever mentalities are perfectionist or people pleasers. Yeah, we just think if I could just do it right enough, and then I’ll feel it, right. And it’s a never ending cycle to nowhere. It’s never enough, until you learn to believe you are worthy. And then you don’t lose your ambition. When you start to learn, you’re enough exactly as you are, you actually don’t lose your ambition at all. You just become fearless. Because you know, your successes or your failures, don’t dictate your worth. And so you become more fearless about going after what you want. But building that self worth, like, like you, I opened the book with this idea about how you don’t soar to the level of your goals and dreams, you stay stuck at the level of your self worth, yes. And in your life, your relationships, your business, your ideas, your goals and dreams that you don’t rise to what you believe is possible, you fall to what you believe you’re worthy of Yeah, and and it’s that way our entire lives. And so why I’m so passionate about this, as you know, there’s so many things in my life, I sabotage and I didn’t know why. And then I realized, wow, I didn’t think I was deserving or worthy of them. And yeah, when you’ve learned a bill yourself worth you change your entire life, and you change generations of your family. Yeah, you know.

Dr. Mindy  

So one interesting thought I have for you is, you know, when you, you look at the trajectory of what you’ve done, and you’ve gone from a place where you weren’t, you felt like you weren’t enough, you had an incredible vision. You overrode all the limiting beliefs that your brain kept offering you and all the people who didn’t believe in you. And then you come out the other side, and you’re like, victorious, and you sell this company. And all of a sudden, there had to have been a moment that you were like, look at what I did. And there had to been that moment of just totally feeling so proud of yourself. And then my question is, was there a moment after that? Where you’re like, now what? And was there like a I call it a dopamine drop where you’re like, but wait, like, creating a company selling a company? Like that’s not necessarily even my worth? Like? Did you have it like that downer? Time after the success story hit? Because I don’t think anybody talks about

Jamie  

that at all. Yes. And it’s, I’m so glad you’re asking this. This question will be life changing for a lot of people, because we’re always thinking, once this happens, yes, then I’ll be happy. Yes, once this happens, then I’ll be happy, then I’ll be enough, then I’ll be right and for and, and it’s different things for all of us. It can be once I get married then or once I, whatever it might be, and when we get there, and when we get that drop after, and we’re more like, this didn’t feel like how I thought it was gonna feel. And then we tell ourselves the story. Why am I not happy? I must just be ungrateful. Yeah. Why? Why didn’t the solve all my problems? Like, I thought that’s going to be us. And so then we tell ourselves a new lie. I’ve got to do more. Yes, I’ve got to do more. So then we go for the next level, the next thing the next. Right. And it’s, it’s an it’s never ending, it’s never. And there is a moment that I’ll share that I didn’t understand for a while. And it’s literally fueled why roadworthy because I was at a moment in my life, where I just sold my company for a whole lot of money, which I could when I was a Denny’s waitress, okay, I was happy if someone didn’t just throw the dime on the table. Like if I got you know what I mean? Like, I got a bill. I mean, the idea of someone paying a billion dollar, I mean, that’s just a candidate. And, and I worked so hard, and I also come from families that worked very, very hard and never had an outcome like that, you know, so it was like, but but I was in a moment, my life after I sold my business where, you know, and, and all these things were happening that the world tells you should make you happy, right? So all of a sudden, Forbes magazine, all these things that are just so cool. I’m like, Oh, wow, you know, television shows all the things and, and, and a big moment happened that changed everything for me. So, so So growing up, I would watch Oprah in my living room every day. And when I was all alone growing up often, my parents worked a lot. That was a person that I thought like, oh, wow, she shares her vulnerability. She, you know, all these things. And I was like, I just had this feeling back to her knowing I didn’t know what it was, it made no sense at the time, that feeling I would meet her. I just was like, I’m gonna meet her. And one day I’ll share other people’s stories with the world. And I just kind of always had ideas. So my whole life, I just thought I was going to be Oprah, which makes no sense. Fast forward. Now. I’ve sold my company, I was celebrating my 40th birthday. And, and I went to a live event that Oprah was putting out it was a huge event in LA. And it’s a long story short, but my assistant had written a letter that I didn’t know about, that somehow gotten to her assistant that somehow gotten to her. And the odds of that are like one and a zillion. Yeah, somehow she read it. Somehow, they arranged me to meet her at this event. And I thought I was gonna walk up. So her system came up, I didn’t know I was gonna meet her that day. I didn’t even shower. I was so tired that day. I I wore a green dress, I had my hair. It was I was a mess. But anyways, I then find out when I get to the event, oh, you’re gonna meet Oprah. And I thought like, oh my gosh, like this is I dream my whole life. I thought I would walk in a big long line to a step and repeat, which is, you know, one of the proven listening who hasn’t seen when it’s like, you know, you see those kind of red carpet backgrounds and a meet and greet. Yeah. And usually, when you go to one of those, you meet the person for literally one second, their team yells at you to smile for the camera and keep it moving. So you got one second. So I was planning this whole morning. Okay, I’m gonna get one second. And what am I gonna say? Why don’t you say? So then her assistant brings me back for to meet her at the lunch break, and walks up to the green room. And she’s like, She’s inside. And I’m like, Where’s where’s the line? Like, where’s the you know, and I was just like, what is happening? And and then I just, I was I was probably out of my body, because I was. And so I was with a group of friends. And I immediately said, Can they come into because I just thought a lot of them had watched her their whole Oh,

Speaker 1  

yeah, like, let’s make this share my victory. Yeah,

Jamie  

and so and so. And so she opens the door, I walk in, and Oprah is there all alone in her greenroom. And she’s like, Miss Kern, and I’m like, she knows my name. Because I fucking, I walked in and, and we talked for a few minutes. It was lovely. And I’ll cut a long story short afterwards, I then replay in my head. What did I say the right thing? What? Oh, I do that all. Like, I should have been so much smarter. Yeah, I’ve been funnier, and like all this. And so so. So then I’m like, what if that’s the only time I meet her my entire life, and I didn’t even say anything. And I think I said to her, if I can ever be of service to you, let me know, as I said. So anyhow, I ended up writing a whole email, and I send it and I pray that like, she gets it. And she did. She invited me to her house for lunch. And there’s a big point to the story that I want everyone to hear. Because it changed my whole life. We had a three hour lunch together at her house, just me and her. It went so well at the end of it. And this is my my late childhood heroes, my mentor from afar my whole life, right. At the end of it, Mindy. She says, Here’s my cell number, I you know, call me anytime. Call me anytime. And this is the point of this. I want everyone to process in their own lives. And that moment in my life I had was on the biggest high of self confidence. I had sold my business products, my as in the magazines, the TV, and Oprah says call me any time. I didn’t call her for four years. Oh, my gosh, she gave me her number. And I did not call her for four years. And why? Why? So I thought I knew I thought it was like, Oh, I’m gonna wait time the right thing to say that’s why I haven’t called her Oh, everyone wants something from her. I want to prove I don’t need anything. So I’m just going to make sure she knows. I just want an authentic friendship. Like I tell myself all these stories until one day, I realized the real reason I hadn’t called her was because deep down inside, I did not believe I was worthy of being her friend. And even though, and this is for everyone listening, I got the thing that I thought would make me happy and fulfilled, I got all these things. What I realized is they build confidence, which confidence is an internal trait, but it’s based often on external things that can fluctuate and competence is based on, you know, our assessment of our skills and abilities, our willingness to try and go for it, how we stack ourselves up to others. It can fluctuate, it can go up and down. And at the time, I had very high confidence. But our self worth is different. It’s it’s our deep internal belief. Are we worthy of love and belonging exactly as we are not as we achieved not as anything else happening around us, but exactly as we are. And in that moment with Oprah. What I learned is I had really high self confidence. Everything looked the part on the outside but deep down inside, I felt unworthy. Right, right to use example You and I were talking about. That’s a really famous example in the personal Growth space in psychology is like the idea of the thermostat. Yeah, like when you imagine a thermostat in your home one of the automatic ones, and let’s say you set it at 75. And when things heat up in the room, or they’re hot outside, it doesn’t matter, the thermostat kicks in and cools it to 75. Yeah, or when stuff’s going really wrong, and it’s down to 60 or 50. And it’s freezing the thermostat heats it up and bring. So your thermostat example which is iconic in the personal growth space is, is a metaphor for your self worth. Yep. And right now, if you believe your self worth that you’re you’re worth 75, you can have everything going right you can get the marriage, the kids the job, the six pack abs, all the things, and outside, it’s heating up to like 80 or 90 or 100. But but you will sabotage things or you will never be happy your your thermostat will kick into the level of your self worth back to 75. And so what I did in that moment was not calling up or for four years was literally me sabotaging an opportunity I didn’t believe I was worthy of, and it is the biggest thing that keeps us stuck in life. Right? We know our ideas really, really cool and novel or we know we could write poetry and put it out into the world or, you know, we love painting. But but when we don’t think we’re worthy of, of sharing who we are, the world will stay stop. Yep, we’ll stay so well. So and so even after all those things. That is not what brings happiness or fulfillment. Right. It’s learning to believe you’re enough and worthy as you are. And in raising your own internal self worth. Yeah. Which is Yeah. Okay. So

Dr. Mindy  

what happened when you four years later? Did she remember you? Yes. So

Jamie  

I’m like, Wow, that’s so and this is? Yeah, there’s the industry. Okay. So she said I called her and she did not answer was the first thing. And then she texted, and then we were texting. And then just this last year, I taught the life you want class with her in her community on resilience. And in the middle of that class, she said something that was so powerful, and so aligned with what I had experienced, she is she she said, in life, you know, you can work so, so hard, you can know what you want, you can go after it, you can even believe it’s possible. But if you don’t believe you’re worthy of it, it will not come. She’s like, because in life we do, we don’t, you know, become who we want, we become who we believe are worthy. And it’s just this iconic thing. And when that moment happened, it was like, for me this divine download. And I had been obsessed with studying self worth ever since I realized why I had sabotaged that and so many other things in my life. And by the way, I look back. And there are moments that I almost doubted myself out of my own destiny, like even even building the company. There were so many moments I am I there was one time. And I love that. I don’t think I’ve ever had this deep of a conversation about intuition, by the way, which is how he’s, which is so beautiful. But there is this, there’s so many moments because you’re asking about moments, there are so many key moments where I came so close to not trusting myself, because someone else had said something that I was like, Oh, well, they must know what they’re talking about. And there was a moment when after a few years, we were down to no money we’re getting no after no after no after No. And I still kept feeling like I supposed to keep going. And we got a call from a potential investor, and who gotten our products. And I was like, Oh my gosh, that’s gonna be huge, because he’s with this huge private equity firm. And they’re known for taking like small unknown brands and making them big, like ones that we shop and grocery stores and big box retailers. And they gotten a hold of our product and one of the meeting, and I just thought this is going to be huge like this is if they invent it, this is it, if they invest in not gonna go bankrupt. And then also, maybe he can use his leverage to get us in stores everywhere. And so we we started meeting after meeting after meeting, it got to the diligence phase when they started looking at all of our financials and our product pipeline. And, and we got to the final meeting with with this investment company, and at the end he his whole team was there. And my husband and I flew up for the meeting. And we’re all so imagine this whole room of private equity guys. Yeah, I wish there were women there. There were not all guys. And and and they were lovely. His whole team was just so awesome. And then the head guy. At the very end, he was about three feet from me. My husband was on the other side of me. And he says to me, like, congratulations, you should be so proud of this product. It’s a really good product. But it’s a no, we’re gonna pass on investing in IT Cosmetics. And at that point I had heard so many knows and I was used to it. But I said it was devastating because I was hoping it was my saving grace at the time. I didn’t know how we were going to make it at that point. And I said, Okay, can you tell me why? You know, because feedback is usually a gift, right? And he got really still and really quiet for a minute. And then he says to me, do you want me to be really honest with you? And I was like, Yes, please. And he’s literally like three feet from me. And he’s says to me and he immediately paused for a while I remember like feeling my heartbeat in my ears because I was just like what’s happening? Why is he pausing right ever right? And and and after he said you want me to be really honest with you? I’m like, Yes, please. And then he just looked at me he said, I just don’t think women are by makeup from someone who looks like you your body and your weight. And and when he saw what’s wild what I want to why I want to share this is because I never actually felt anger toward him. The first thing I remember feeling is like, like my body flooding with like a lifetime of self doubt and body doubt if so was like, I was hearing these words. And it was like, I was staring my own fear straight in the eye. You know what I’m saying these words mean, but But my point of the story is that when he said those words, I just don’t think women are by makeup from someone who looks like you with your body and your weight. In that moment, Mindy. I got this gut feeling like, like, I feel it like it’s yesterday, right now that said, he’s wrong. Like, I felt that right. And I didn’t know how to prove it. Nothing around me was saying he wasn’t wrong, because I was not selling much product, like but I got that feeling. And, and when I look back on that moment, when we talked about building intuition. When I look back at that moment, right, for me, I believe and I know everyone’s different, I believe when I hear my intuition strongly, I believe that comes from my Creator. And, and when I look back at that moment, and he said those words. And I felt that feeling that is wrong. Like what I what I know what I believe in every ounce of my being is that this dude gave me a no, but God gave me a knowing in that moment. And when I think about our lives, and our careers, and our friendships and our dreams and our hopes it is so easy to hear the nose all around us. And sometimes we give ourselves our brain our mind our thought gives ourselves the most painful nose right? Or me, my most hurtful nose, the nose, I tell myself are far more Oh, yeah, that guy? sure for sure. But then when we learn to hear that our soul, that’s our knowing, and I feel like so much in life, or joy or happiness or relationships, our hopes and dreams comes down to which when we listen to to listen to the know, or do we listen to our knowing and learn how to do that will change everything. Wow.

Dr. Mindy  

He had to regret that decision.

Jamie  

Oh, my gosh, I

Speaker 1  

just have to say, Okay, how did that feel what he saw what happened? Just six

Jamie  

years. So I didn’t hear from him for six years, right? Six years later, the day L’Oreal bought our company. I didn’t learn till the night before it happened that they were going to they’re a public company. And they needed to announce the purchase price. I’m like, Oh my gosh, what am i What’s my family gonna say? Like, I think oh, yeah, I think the business is doing okay. But this is gonna be like, yeah. Oh, my gosh, and so that so the day that the announcement went out, it was it was like the homepage of the Wall Street Journal. It was everywhere. And it was the first time I heard from that potential investor in over six years. And he said, Congratulations on the L’Oreal deal I was wrong, is what he said shows. And here’s the thing. So you remember the woman, the movie Pretty Woman? Yeah. Like when she goes into the store, and they will help her. And then she goes back like a few days later. So like what I wanted to say to him on the phone was like, big mistake. But I didn’t I kept it classy. And I just thanked him. I wouldn’t have wanted to be him. Yeah. But you know, here’s the thing. And this is how I look at it as I really think the words he said to me weren’t personal. He was just listening to his own thought he just was looking at me and saying, I don’t think she’ll make me money. That’s all he was saying. Yeah. And that is based on all of his own thoughts and cultural condition, belief systems that say, you have to look a certain way or do to be successful, right? It’s all his own stuff. Which we all have our own stuff. Yeah. And it’s like when we tap into our powers when we can identify and become aware of like, Oh, that’s not the truth. That’s just my thoughts or my limiting beliefs. Yeah. And then and then tapping into that, like, but what is this? What is the truth feel like about that? Yeah. And we know,

Dr. Mindy  

yeah, I’ve learned to because same kind of mindset that you’ve had, where I’ve really can understand hunches that I have the knowing I love the way you say that. Yeah, but I also have had a lot of nose in my life, and have stepped into a lot of places and succeeded where I wasn’t supposed to, especially as a woman, and I’ve learned that when someone gives me a no, my brain translates that into Oh, I’m going to show you especially when I have that like knowing I’m like, Oh, thank you for the no because now I’m going to show you that I’m right, you’re wrong. And I don’t know. I mean, I’m sure any like therapists listening to this might be like, Well, you got to work that stuff out. But it is helped me in the nose that I’ve gotten just To be like, Oh, I’m going to show you don’t worry, I’m gonna show you. And it comes from that knowing if I don’t have that knowing, then my brain goes into well, maybe you’re right, maybe that won’t happen. But once that knowing hits, I’m like, don’t just move out of the way. I’m going to show you.

Jamie  

Can I? So can I use your example just now for something that I think too could be really, really cool for everyone listening and watching. Okay, so, y’all know how successful Dr. Mindy Pelz is, right? Everyone knows this, like, what I’ve learned in my life is it’s almost never accident. When someone is really successful, meaning I don’t mean successful in financial terms, anything that I mean successful, in the sense of, they’re making a difference in the world. They’re showing up authentically, they’re living the highest vibration, most beautiful essence of who they are. Right? And when people see that they feel it. And I think they know that about you, which is why your community is so incredible, because that’s how you show up. And what I want to share those for everyone listening, I want to use your example, because this is powerful. So okay, so everyone listening right now. So there’s a whole chapter in worthy, called when you change your relationship with rejection, you change your life, hmm. And everyone listening right now just ask yourself this, okay? And watching us ask yourself this, when you imagine yourself in a situation where you just gotta know or someone rejected you, or you ask someone to coffee, they’re like, No, thanks. Whatever it might be right? Where you are rejected or you failed at something, you feel like you failed at something, maybe you put something out on social media, and not one person hit like, and you just whatever it might be. I mean, it could be big or small. But imagine yourself in a setting, like when you just shared where you feel like you got to know or rejected or failing? What is the first thought you have? When that happens? And be really honest with yourself with that first thought, everyone listening and watching. I love what you just shared, because you shared? Oh, I’ll show you right. That’s your first thought. So for everyone listening or watching that first thought you just had that is your current definition of rejection. And here’s the thing, which we talked about briefly earlier that, like we’re wired to avoid pain at all costs, even if we think an outcome will give us a lot of pleasure. But if it’s painful, so, so many of us associate so much pain with rejection or failure, we’re afraid we’re afraid of it so much that we don’t even go for it. Right? Because your definition is about No, I’ll show you. That’s an empowering definition. It’s not painful for you. So you don’t have this. Like, you have a definition that’s empowering for most people. So for me my whole life. My first thought if I got a no or rejected or failed, was up yet. There’s proof. I’m not enough. Every time right. Interesting. So for anyone listening right now, you know, usually when I asked the room of women this the answers are, I’m a failure. I’m not enough. I’m stupid. I’m a loser. Why did I even try? What was I thinking? Yeah, and that’s your current definition of of failure, or rejection. And we often don’t even know we have it. It’s subconscious. But we think it when that’s your current definition, you’re not going to go for things. Yeah, you’re not going to put yourself out there, you’re not going to keep going. Right? And one of the keys is to first identify what that current definition is, and then replace it with one that you know to be true. Like, you have to know it to be true. And and then every time rejection or failure happens, and you catch yourself like for me, oh, I’m not enough, you replace it with that. Oh, no, no, this this is what this means. And then you become fearless and going for things and so in my journey, there is a point because this is really easy to do. And it’s it’s a game changer. You know, and when I say it’s never accident someone successful you’re clearly not afraid to hear no, I right now in my life, Mindy. I’ve got plenty of issues. But fear of rejection. Yeah, not one of it. Yeah, right. I have a

Dr. Mindy  

fear. And you’ve proven yourself you know, over and over and over again that you have the skill set to handle rejection,

Jamie  

I have it and and but and I should say and like for so long because even though even I felt I had the skill set, when I got rejected, I was like, oh, but it means I’m not enough. I would be scared to go for something. And so one day I gotten so many rejections. A few years of rejections that IT Cosmetics I was so depressed, ready to give up on everything. And I Googled all my favorite like mentors, heroes, etc. Thought Leaders, people that have changed the world. And every single one of them has gone through so many rejections. Yeah, they’re just the brave ones willing to keep going anyway. So that day, I wrote out this definition. Oh, when I’m rejected, it doesn’t mean I’m not enough. It means I’m, this is a victory. I’m one of the brave ones willing to keep going for. I’m not gonna sit on the sidelines of life living in regret. Every rejection is just like a really cool reminder. I’m one of the brave ones going for it. So well just train my mind to believe that then, you know, another one rejection is God’s protection or rejection the universe’s protection, right. And I would start looking back at past rejections. It could be the dude that broke my heart. It could be whatever it was. And I’m like, Thank God he didn’t like thank God that relationship didn’t work out I would be a hot mess in life right now if it if it did, right rejection is God’s protection. And so I have a whole tool toolkit of definitions of rejection that I apply every time it happens to me amazing. And I believe them I know them to be true. And so in worthy the book I take you through, like, how do you identify your new true definitions for you? For some people, it can be like, oh, you know what? I’m putting in the reps. I’m putting in the reps. I’m so much closer to my goal. Now I got five more rejections. Today, I’m putting in the reps. Yeah. Or it’s like a workout. I

Dr. Mindy  

had a hard mental workout today. Yeah, a great way to reframe it to refill. My

Jamie  

probably my all time favorite one that I apply in my life all the time, is if like you ever have someone that lets you down, or that betrays your trust, or that pulls the rug out from underneath you, or you know, a family member, that just no matter how hard you try, they just don’t like you, whatever it is, write the job that didn’t take your resume, or you didn’t get the job. I literally when I get a painful rejection like that, I imagine my Creator saying to me, Oh, you weren’t rejected, I just hid your value from them. Because you’re they’re not assigned to your destiny.

Unknown Speaker  

Leave that that’s also good

Jamie  

when I’m in a room with other women. And I want to just like love on everyone. And I know we’ve so many of us have felt this and you feel like there’s one person that just doesn’t like you. Yeah, why don’t you like me? Yeah, like I have learned, you know what God is hiding my value from them, because they are not assigned to my destiny. And I trust I just trust. So I think of nose that way. Sometimes tuna and I and we all get rejection every day. Like if you’re the brave ones willing to show up and be our authentic selves. Like, we’re gonna be the ones that get rejection all the time. And it can be simple. It can be so big. In law, it could be anything. Yeah. And I’m like, okay, you know, okay, my craters blocking my my value from them, because they’re not supposed to be in my inner circle. They’re not. So they’re not assigned to my destiny. Yeah. And that

Dr. Mindy  

just is such a good flip on the people pleasing that women do. Like, everybody’s got to be happy around me. I’ve got to make sure everybody likes me. And when you go into the mindset of No, you know, I’m being protected and the right people are showing up. It’s beautiful. Yeah. So okay, you got to tell people where they can find the book. And I want to say one thing about the book that’s so congruent for me is that in all my teachings, and fast, like a girl, and just everything I put out on YouTube, it’s, it’s really at the heart, it’s empowerment, and I’m trying to help women believe in their bodies again. And so I do it through the lens of physiology. What I believe worthy is done is you’ve done it through the lens of everything we’re saying, the mind the knowing, it’s like the companion guide

Jamie  

us like a girl. Like I, that is the biggest compliment.

Dr. Mindy  

Like the two need to go together. Like if I was to say like, Hey, this is what we need to be the mindset tool for learning how to believe in in your health again, if we put these two together, yes, it’ll be so powerful. I love

Jamie  

that it you know, especially for anyone who’s had health goals, and then they’re like, why am I sabotaging? Yeah, because part of it is also really knowing what to do, which is such a blessing that, you know, people are learning about their hormones, learning about all of this incredibly novel knowledge that you’re putting out in the world life changing stuff. And then also learning that you are worthy of having great health, you are worthy of taking care of yourself. Right. And it’s so thank you, that is a huge honor.

Dr. Mindy  

But like I said, when I read the beginning, I was just like, wow, like this is necessary. So yeah, how do you how do people find the book?

Jamie  

Okay, so worthy book.com. So where the book.com or you know, anywhere books are sold, anywhere books are sold, and and I have lots of great, you know, extra things that go with the book at where the book.com and all free I’m donating 100% of my proceeds for the book. So this is purely like what I feel like is my life’s greatest work. I feel like when we learn I mean, when you look at this, the statistics we open with like 80% of women don’t fill their Neff 75% of women deal with impostor syndrome 91% of girls and women don’t leave their bodies I just know like, and why we’re so aligned is that the time for change has come it has come out It’s like no, I want to leave no girl no woman no person left behind and knowing they’re worthy because the moment you know you’re worthy is the moment like unhealthy relationships and healthy friendships are formed generational cycles are broken, businesses are launched, ideas are shared joy and fulfillment is filled. You know. So I’m on this mission and I’m really really excited and I’m honored to share this. This was amazing. So

Dr. Mindy  

much and let’s Send this book out into the world. So thank you for writing and thanking you.

Dr. Mindy  

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