Fatal Conveniences: How EMFs (electromagnetic fields) Affect Our Health – with Darin Olien

Dr. Mindy  0:03  

On this episode of The resetter podcast, I am bringing you Darren Olean. If you watch this interview on YouTube, you may recognize him as he was on a Netflix Docu series called down to earth with Zac Efron. It was really interesting, my husband and I got really pulled into it, because they were going over around the world talking about all the health habits that were happening around the world that we could bring back to our homes. Now, he also has published a book called Super life, which is the five simple fixes that will make you healthy, fit and eternally awesome. I love the word awesome. And he is a podcast host. And he is a wellness expert, and he’s passionate as superfoods, which is always really fun to dive into. And, on this episode, here’s what I want you to know about what you’re about to hear. He has got a current book out called fatal conveniences. Now, this is a very complex topic. And so I want to leave you some thought here before you dive into this episode. First, what we go into talking about are toxins that we are exposed to every single day. And what’s really hard about explaining toxins to you all, is that there’s so many of them, and it gets so depressing. And there’s not always a great solution. But if we’re not aware of that chronic disease will continue to ensue, cancer will continue to build, we’ve got to start to understand toxins. And I love Darren’s approach, because he talks about it’s the micro dosing of toxins that’s destroying us. It’s the small little amounts that are affecting us. And if we’re aware of that, then we can start to take small little steps to unwind those toxins for long term longevity and prevention of disease. So when you hear what we’re going to talk about which we talked about EMFs, that was a really interesting one I really wanted to dive in, he had done a ton of research on Wi Fi, and our phones and our air pods and all the conveniences that we love and how can we use those safely. I think that was really important part of this conversation. And then we went into a really important toxin for you all to know about which are PFOA A’s, they are forever chemic chemicals, they do not exit out of the our environment, and they take a long time to exit out of our bodies. And what do we need to know about picking foods that don’t have these forever chemicals in them. So there’s a lot here, I want you to listen all the way through because I want you to be safe. I want to help you prevent chronic disease. Those of you that are trying to balance your hormones, it’s super important to me that you understand that there is an endocrine disrupting part to the toxins that Darren is going to highlight here. But I don’t want you to lose hope. I want you to understand that once you’re aware, you can take small steps to unwind that. So it’s a beautiful conversation with a beautiful man who you will see is very passionate, and as disturbed as I am at how companies are allowed to continue to put these cancer causing reproductive damaging life altering chemicals into our environment. And it’s time for us to be aware. So as always, I hope this moves the needle forward on your health. This is a this is a really good one. It’s very near and dear to my heart. And take it apply it and let’s keep talking about it. It’s that big of a topic. Enjoy a Dr. Mindy hare and Welcome to season four of the resetter podcast. Please know that this podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself. Again, if you have a passion for learning, if you’re looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you. Enjoy.

So the first thing I want to do is welcome you to my podcast. I’m really excited conversation. So thank you for being here. Darren, I really appreciate you.

Darin Olien  4:32  

Yeah, grateful to be here, Mandy, and I’m grateful for all the work you’re doing as well.

Dr. Mindy  4:37  

Yeah, and I think you said it right. We’re like both in the trenches fighting the fight. And one of the things that I’ve learned is that the powers that be that are toxifying us are very difficult to overcome, but what we can do is take personal responsibility. So books like the one you just put out are really important for us to wake up so I Just want to start off by saying that we got it, we got to wake up, and it has to be on an individual level, and I’m sure you agree.

Darin Olien  5:07  

million percent. And that’s where the optimism comes in. Right. And that’s like, that’s where the bite size changes of what an individual can do and become aware of and, and you do it so well to and your website and breaking things down so that people can choose and that that’s what it is. And we always have numbers on our side, we we unfortunately, it’s literally

the world of opposites. It’s a Twilight Zone episodes that we’re literally inside of and the fact that we even have to have a conversation about this, the fact that I have that I wrote a book about it that you have to dedicate a lot of your time, it just tells us that this is a ridiculous scenario, when we’ve looked at him long enough like you and I, you just I still scratch my head. I’m like you’re reading this stuff. You’re reading the research, and yet knowingly, these agencies are still allowing this stuff out. And you’re like, this is this makes no sense. No, other than the only one I can, the only the only conclusion I can make is that is the profit and power is so much greater than the health and safety of us. And so we do have to, and it says slippery slope, I’m sure you find too, that people can easily get into the overwhelm conversation. Because it’s perforated in so many aspects of our life and every aspect of our life. So yeah, so yeah.

Dr. Mindy  6:49  

Yeah, yeah, it baffles me as well. And every time I go on any kind of interview, and I’m asked about toxins, I literally like take a deep breath in, and I’m like, Okay, are you ready, this is gonna get really depressing, really quick. And it’s so hard. There’s like, I can’t give you a positive of this other than we need to wake up. And we need a loud voice. So one of the things I love about your new book, and I think it’s a beautiful way to start this conversation. here’s the rub is it is these modern conveniences. It’s the things we love, it’s the things that are making our life easier that are potentially killing us. And we’ve got to be aware of that. So can we start with what are give us some of the big things we need to know about how these modern conveniences what they are? And do Is there an alternative? Like does that mean life has to become inconvenient? Or is what we need to know about these modern conveniences?

Darin Olien  7:49  

Yeah, and that’s it, let’s like, and with these conveniences that just are kind of adopted every day all day. And we’re all listen, we’re all born into it. Yeah, I didn’t choose it. But it’s like, all of a sudden, the phone is in my face. And now everyone has them and like, let’s just talk about how amazing they are. Yeah, right to walk around with the phone. I remember, like superfood hunting in the middle, I was lost and like, I’m like, Holy shit, where do I Where do I go? There’s a trail and it’s supposed to be a road. I remember the one of the first times I use the phone’s GPS. And it found me in the middle of the frickin Andes in South America. And so that’s amazing, right? It’s an amazing accomplishment, what we’ve done and to be able to provide really way more food than we actually even need because we’re wasting 30 to 50% of the food that we’re graded. And of course, we can talk about what kind of food that is, which is also the rub of food itself is now remanufactured, and then sold back to us. So these conveniences are crazy. Like it’s like, didn’t let’s talk about tap water. Yeah, for God’s sakes, I can go to my sink and turn on demand water. I mean, you have 2 billion people in the world that absolutely don’t even know essentially what clean water even looks like. Right with a jerry can and going to a bacteria and virus infected water source and playing Russian roulette with drinking water. So let’s let’s go Holy shit. We’ve done a lot of things and a car a car, the leading cause of children dying is in a car. Right? That’s crazy. Yeah. And, but yet, we carry on. Yeah. And we use these things. And and so the amazing aspect of this is I don’t Want to be inconvenienced? Because I now I’m so used to. But we are not asking questions because the man or woman, making the choices who are wielding the wand of these are safe in our world simply doesn’t exist. Yeah. And the tricky thing with science these days is it’s also cherry picked. So there’ll be a whole bunch of good stuff that this shown and let’s invoke the Toxic Substance Control Act. Wait a minute, why would you need to invoke something that you should have in harmony? governing? Right? So it’s like, yeah, what do you what are you talking about? So, so then the plot public, the publicized versions of that are out there, but but yet, for every good thing they see or show or talk about, there’s 100 others that they’re not regulating? And so we come into this world where we’re like, okay, it’s studies showing we’re already being infected with toxic chemicals and the umbilical cord of children. That would probably when you and I grew up that that border, right, that placental border of the woman to the child that that was uncrossable. Yeah. No, it doesn’t. Yeah. Right. And what it wasn’t, you do what you want to tell my mom? She didn’t drink that much. My dad was the alcoholic, but my mom was smoking.

Dr. Mindy  11:33  

Oh, yeah. So was my grandma, my grandma’s smoked when my had she had my mom? And yeah, it’s crazy.

Darin Olien  11:40  

Yes. Yeah. So so they didn’t know. And then you also come to find out that one thing that scared me because I didn’t know going into the book, and I had about 15 to 20 researchers. And what one of the things that scared me which I again, I didn’t know, I knew the guy Lomo with proximity and duration of EMFs and cell phones close to the body and close to the head. That’s that was problematic. Hell, I have a buddy of mine, a researcher 20 years ago was telling me about that. And what what really was scary to me was the blood brain barrier was was showing to be opened with proximity and duration of these polarized EMF exposures. And I was like, what?

Dr. Mindy  12:27  

Yeah, that brain? Yeah, that’s been around for a while, by the way. I like you said, because nobody wants to know that because the phone is quite convenient. You’re absolutely right.

Darin Olien  12:39  

Yeah, so it’s this carcinogenic stick we’re running around with. But again, let’s just, there are ways to live in this world, right? There are ways like I just told you like I’m in the woods. And so just to get a hard wired wire from AT and T took me three months when I first moved here 2016. And it’s been spotty ever since. And I finally and this is like, this is this was a moral dilemma. My moral dilemma was, I don’t like at all the fact that Starlink and Elon Musk and all these other people are putting 10s of 1000s nearly 40 to 50,000 satellites and micro satellites in our ionosphere and then blasting us with 5g. I’m massively against all of that. I think we should bury the wires I think we should go back. So so in order for me to live and to be on my purpose, I couldn’t function living here and then being a business owner and so I had to buy a Starlink and then I hard wired it inside my house so that I don’t have extra EMF. So it was a moral dilemma. My point to that is I made a choice. But I also made a choice that is minimizing personal exposure. Right hardwiring things back in, you and I are both plugged in as we’re listening here. We’re Bluetooth and all that stuff. So there’s a lot of ways and largely if people look at my life, you don’t see a difference but I’m not having a phone in my pocket on right it’s on airplane mode. So the conveniences are there we can still exercise them but my God we have a lot of choices that if you don’t make them specially when you’re talking about those micro exposures that you know so well the endocrine disruptors the lotions the Falaise, the parabens, the P Foss, which we’re just getting we’re getting inoculated every day all day and reapplying all of these things. That’s where, hey, we’re not saying thing live out under your oak tree and don’t use, right, right,

Dr. Mindy  15:04  

yeah and drop out of society, I want to point out two really interesting things because you really bring some key pieces to this conversation that I do not want people to miss. For starters, the conversation needs to be had. And in this world where we’re like, I like you, I don’t like you, you’re one of me, you’re not one of me. We have lost the art to critically think. And I’m, personally I’m getting really exhausted with it. Because people don’t know how to think anymore. They see a 92nd reel, and they’re like, you’re out. I don’t like you. But when we have such an important conversation, like, what is going on with these micro toxins, and how are they little by little destroying us, that conversation needs to be open. Second thing, science, all you got to do is go and look at who funds the science who’s on the science study, like science has to be considered something where we are getting into the ballpark, and we’re understanding it, but it’s not the end all be all. And we have gotten the canceled culture of I don’t want to talk to you because you don’t agree with me. And if it’s not scientific, then it’s not real, that has destroyed our ability to have a conversation like you and I are having. So I need to point that out. Because that’s I’ve hit enough. I’ve hit my limit with that attitude. And I know you will share the same belief with me. So

Darin Olien  16:30  

yeah, I mean, it just from a common sense standpoint, like we have gotten so used to conflicts of interest. It’s like, it’s like, What do you mean, you can still have these toxic compounds? And then just with your lobbying dollars, get this pushed in and loopholes of fragrances and flavoring agents and flow agents and like, you don’t have to disclose any of it. Because a lot of things, what is the first thing people say, Well look on the back of a package and make sure you know, what’s in the product. We know,

Dr. Mindy  17:06  

how do you not understand that? You gotta go Google it?

Darin Olien  17:09  

Yeah, you don’t not only do not understand that there’s loopholes that they’re not even telling you is in there. Do you look on the back of a of a candidate says, does it have BPA? Or BPH in it? No, I mean, yeah, now they’re starting to push back and BPA is BPA free. But they’re also create three, four other different versions of that, and then use that and it’s maybe BPA free, but it’s not BPA free. Right. So it’s like, it’s, yeah, it’s it’s, it’s a whack a mole. It’s a game of Whack a Mole. And the customer, it’s impossible for a customer to know that. So it takes this level of AI again, I didn’t want to do this. But I was compelled to do it. I was compelled to do it and spend two and a half years of my life. And the last year every weekend every day, like it’s and it was almost impossible to conclude and even finalize a book because it’s so gnarly everything when you peel and you keep peeling. I mean, the history of electrification will blow your mind and tweak your brain and go wait a minute. They already knew the frequencies and electromagnetic fields just coming off of wires and UHF radio towers. They already knew that this is Malawians were being affected and migration patterns. It’s like that’s not even that’s not even remotely getting into one G 2g 3g, 4g 5g. So it’s it’s blasted on us as a population. And then with no accountabilities. And no us no real safety. And if you really look at, like what real scientists and real people with their common sense had still squared on, all they’re asking is quite Yeah, just question one.

Dr. Mindy  19:04  

Yeah, like, okay, and can we have the conversation about it? Can you so just, again, this is the part like, if you’re listening, and you’re like, Wow, this is getting really depressing. It is depressing. But can we? What can we do? Give us some practical what I love about your book is the idea that there are little small steps you can if they’re small steps of these toxins that are making us sick, what are the small steps we can take to make ourselves well in this toxic world?

Darin Olien  19:33  

Yeah, I mean, everything is rooted in a habit. So you’re in habit, right? So a lot of these things, you’re buying the same laundry detergent, so you have to actually go oh, I never questioned whether that was healthy or not. When in fact, maybe with my children, I can make a great DIY. Or if you’re really lazy, you can just put organic vinegar and was them lavender will hell, I just did that the other day, because my dog’s beds were just crazy. And I just washed them in vinegar and it doesn’t smell it doesn’t. So so there’s a lot of it’s just a matter of these products need questions, right. But there’s, again, there’s a lot of DIYs. And luckily, because of from EMF fields, electro sensitivity and more people because we’re just getting blasted with this more people with multiple chemical sensitivities, there’s more people this is becoming, and then food sensitivities, food allergies, like the it’s screaming at us. So So like, for example, like I said, like, the cell phone itself, I never ever put that thing up to my right. Yeah, me neither, right. So so if I’m around and I am home, I can receive a call and it’s on speaker mode. And if I’m somewhere else, or listening to something on a plane, I’m plugged in, right, and even the next version is the air tubes, right? So there’s no EMS even traveling through the wire at that point getting to my head. So again, people if they have a take away with electromagnetics, or cell phones and particular smart devices, which is not smart at all, I would take that and just say that’s the opposite. It’s a very dumb device, it’s going to blast with electrical pollution and stress. But when you think about that procs proximity, how close a device is to you, and how long it is close to you. That’s where it really the wheels start coming off when it comes to the stress responses when it comes to Oh, the guy Loma and the tumors and the things. But this is not just showing up. This is not acute. This is everyday all day. So as it relates to the cell phone, still have it. But just if you even want to use a stylus, if you’re on the desk, you can have a stylus like I have a stylus right here. So I put myself on a stand. And then I’m just using my cell phone with my stylus, and I’m not touching it. So there’s all kinds of little things that you can do again, turn your phone off or put it on airplane mode when it’s on your body. If you receive a call this Yeah, then just keep keep hearing hold it. And now it’s starting to come out which is it was always in the owner’s manual the phone that you’re not supposed to keep it Oh, I think nine centimeters.

Dr. Mindy  22:49  

It’s in the owner’s manual like four inches from your the Apple phone well not to call out one felt one product. I’m sure they all say the same thing. But it says that. So everybody’s motivated because I think EMF EMF is a very interesting one. And I just want to come back to this idea that what we know about EMFs right now is that it does create destruction to the blood brain barrier. And the blood brain barrier is exactly that it blocks stuff from getting into your brain. And there’s a new concept called leaky brain where that brain barrier gets its integrity is lost. And now toxins can get in inflammation starts. Is there anything else we need to know about EMFs phones and what it does to our brains?

Darin Olien  23:37  

Yeah, so I mean, those are big indicators, because I really saw that one study was like allowing the proteins and albumin to go right into the brain and that it’s just like this cascade of inflammatory responses. And again, it’s like if you’re doing this, oh, people who say Oh, well, I’m listening to a I’m using my phone right now. I don’t feel anything, right. Like, just just like, Okay, well eat an apple, do you feel like you have energy to run a marathon after eating an apple? No, this is that we live in this more than anyone we live in a homeopathic world, essentially, right? A little bit of sun, some good rest, get some water, but also on the other side. If you keep getting exposed to the dilates and the endocrine disrupters and the P FOSS over time this starts to to create the disharmony over that period of time. So the micro doses is really what we’re talking about.

Dr. Mindy  24:37  

Yeah, that was good, because I think EMFs is a scary big topic. Yeah. And I like that it’s about changing your habit with it. And we’re not saying like shut your phone off. Or, I mean, I love you’re out in the woods and you’ve got Starly you’ve had to Wi Fi and I think that’s all great, but to make this applicable people put it on airplane mode when it goes in your pocket.

Darin Olien  24:58  

Yeah, so the EMF thing alone At minimum, just unplug, turn off your Wi Fi router at night. You don’t need it on. And just to kind of create a context for people maybe hearing this for the first time or it’s hard for them to grasp. Yes, this is an invisible electromagnetic world, you can’t see it. It’s even worse than the telecommunication or excuse me, the tobacco industry, right. And they kicked that can down the road, and lied for 40 years. So imagine the telephone telecommunication company is ranking up there as doing very similar things. They know that this is harmful with proximity and duration. So when you talk about just quickly, ionizing radiation, we know it rips that DNA apart. It’s x rays, it’s on that spectrum. But it’s easy to say, well, this is non ionizing. And, and so where the science is starting to show is yes, it’s not acutely ripping your DNA apart. But again, over time, it’s causing it everyone can understand this. It’s causing stress in the body. How’s it doing that? on a cellular level? It’s increasing free radical oxygen, MCs, right? It’s creating free radicals. So so your body is it’s under attack. It’s like the crazy thing. document. It was like for me when I was reading the EMF stuff, and then I go back to the chemical exposures from our personal care, I’m like, oh my god, it’s the same. It’s almost as if this EMFs are acting like these chemicals are because they’re they are affected, they’re showing the stress responses on a cellular level. And then the frickin sperm motility is going down to Stasi drone activity, potential links to endometriosis like this and breast cancer, approximate approximation of cell phones and all women, please take the cell phone out of the sports bra and men, please take it out of your damn pocket. Again, proximity. And so the these are the scary things. So those kinds of stress responses kept showing up over and over again. And then the brain stuff as it relates to the opening of that blood brain barrier, inflammatory responses, and then of course, the tumor like facts that are going on. And I really think that has more to do with the RNA and DNA signaling because you’re always in Oh, this the other way. So So when your body is naturally in a tafa gene, and it’s getting rid of cells and cell death, that was interesting to me, seeing the studies where naturally the body knows how to get rid of it, especially Yeah, yeah, especially through fasting and everything else, actually attribute to do that for you, other than it was for you, because I knew I was going to be talking to you, but I knew I needed to. And so I was like, Well, I’m fasting today so so that a toffee G pathway starts to get thwarted by the electromagnetic fields. And so if you have a cell that’s no longer viable and dead, right, and the body is trying to get rid of it, and it can’t or the pathway is changed or altered, what do you think happens? Now you’re talking about terrain, now the terrain is starting to change. And now you’re starting to understand that once the terrain has changed, the landscape of how the body is dealing with something is changing, and then that opens up a whole right can of worms of what terrain and germ theory is but when you’re not able to get rid of it, that’s where carcinogenic activity can really take hold. This

Dr. Mindy  29:06  

is super interesting. You’ve got my fasting brain sparked now. So so a toffee G as when I just want and most of my listeners know, but I want to bring it to the surface is the cell’s ability to repair itself in the most basic sense. So are you saying that with EMF exposure that is damaging the autophagy capabilities of a cell?

Darin Olien  29:31  

Yeah, that’s what the researchers are using. And it’s like well what Yeah, so what do you think’s gonna happen with that environment? If that’s not done so

Dr. Mindy  29:41  

when then I’m wondering is if you’ve put yourself in a fasted state trying to stimulate a toffee G then I’m is really reinvigorate that part of the cell. And we probably don’t have any studies showing exactly that but I don’t know maybe in like, is there a way to bring a toffee G back on Line knowing that we’re like if I live in a city, and I’ve got a lot of EMFs coming into my home, if it’s if a toffee G is being shut down from that, can I bring it back online with things like fasting?

Darin Olien  30:16  

Yeah, I mean, I mean, you have some interesting questions and ideas in that because on the one hand isn’t an overwhelming stress response, right? Is it just that continuous exposure causing more and more stress? And so as you died? So, so, so the first thing I would say is minimize as much as possible, the exposure, right? Right. So so minimize that stress. And that stress is, again, what are you doing with your phone? Where’s the Wi Fi routers? Can you get your ass outside and put your feet on the ground and get rid of some of that polarized was central radiation in your body through?

Dr. Mindy  30:57  

Yeah. Can you talk about that for a moment? Because I love this idea of grounding. And you and Zack did it on your show, you all went out. And I was that was the first time I’d seen it. I don’t want to lose that thought because that’s a counterbalance to what we’re talking about. Talk about why grounding works?

Darin Olien  31:14  

Yeah, well, it’s we’re living on a battery of the earth. And the earth is depolarized energy fields, right. And so the whole deal comes by way of this polar polarization and a great, I’ll get to the earth and grounding, but to understand polarizing and non polarizing life is and what we have here in nature, it’s non polarizing. Now, there’s a couple examples of that the sun is non polarizing. But you can take we’ve all done that experiment, you take a little magnifying glass, you polarize, you bring that energy to and and Bennett can burn something and it can start a fire, it can do all that stuff. It’s also an example of, let’s say, an energy field, if you take a pebble and throw it in the water, non polarizing normal response is the you see the ripple effect, right? That’s non polarizing waves. Because it’s not polarized, if you throw a pebble or a rock in the water and it was polarized, it would mean that all of the energy that you threw in the water would then be polarized into one place. And then it could shoot out and essentially be a tar, it could target something, if that makes sense. So that’s the demonstration of non polarizing radiation. When we have polarizing radiation, this buildup of stress response in the body, a simple remedy of dumping the pollution, of that the body is trying to balance itself. And within the field, it’s always doing that we’re feeling and sensing and feeling and sensing our entire life. And so now we’ve created fields that are polarizing. So my bodies are feeling and sensing all of this manufactured fields, which is then what sort of seeing is the stress, if I go outside, and I put my feet on the ground, you now create that conduction, you’re not separated from this magnetic field is frequency of the earth and as the ability to pull those frequencies and create a circuit that allows for that your body to be balanced again.

Dr. Mindy  33:48  

So if I’m out just like let’s say I get on a plane, because I think the way I’ve used it is in jetlag, I get on a plane, I’m pretty much in a tube that’s got Wi Fi coming into it and all other problems. I get to a new timezone, all that energy is creating chaos within my cells. And when I put my feet on the ground, it gives a direction for that energy to go back into the earth. Is that correct? Okay,

Darin Olien  34:15  

bingo. So it it says basic as every home that we’re all sitting in, has a copper wire driven into the ground. And the electrical panel of that house in that building is wrapped around that copper and driven into the ground because we were killing people when we were not grounding homes in the elect the electrification were putting in buildings, because it would it would not have the polarizing arcs would not have a place to go. And then as soon as you would be in touch, it’s arcing on you. And that’s where it creates danger. Right. So the same thing that we’re doing, we’re doing literally demonstrating Being in construction of every home on the planet. We’re literally needing to do that ourselves and to ground ourselves and our biologic. I think, aside from the microbiome, and the very little skill that we know, I think we barely understand the radionics of our systems, we have no idea which makes it a more important thing that we actually regulate this and prove things safe before we give, sell people, other cell phones and everything else. It’s the most insane thing ever. Okay. So first off, you don’t understand electromagnetics, you don’t understand how DNA and RNA or even an biophotonics of how the microbiome is even communicating, it’s even faster than what they believe the cells are communicating. So how the hell do we even understand that, and then we’re just blasting ourselves with, that’s fine. It’s more electromagnetic fields. And so we, again, we do this stuff as humans, and then we don’t prove it safety. And then okay, we’ll change it, if we find it. As doing so

Dr. Mindy  36:19  

maybe a couple of things, I just want to make sure that people followed is one what I love, what you said is let’s just keep these devices away from our head way from our body. Second is we can go out and ground and we can do that on a on a, I would think you probably multiple times a day would be good to get outside and put your feet on. And the third, what I think would be helpful for people now that they kind of understand this would be what symptoms do we know, that are contributed to by EMFs? Do we have any known scientific symptoms?

Darin Olien  36:57  

Yeah, I mean, these are, this is tricky, because it’s not acute, right? It’s not it’s you didn’t get in a car accident and break your leg. Right? Go the car accident broke my leg. That’s the cause. Right? So So from my father suffering in the 90s, from multiple chemical sensitivities, to electro sensitivity, which is now being recognized by the WHO, which, who, right now, whatever, right, but yeah, but so there is some growing need to acknowledge these things. So the importance is that the symptoms

Dr. Mindy  37:37  

like I want to understand because my heart gets really heavy and sad is when you don’t understand that you have chronic fatigue, or something like that. And it’s coming from your route, like I want people to help them make that connection.

Darin Olien  37:55  

Yeah, so So the brain fog was one of the first things my father talks about the fatigue, depression, and the fibromyalgia, this kind of it’s almost like these symptoms are like when the cups spill it over. It kind of goes into all of these areas, I have no energy I have, I can’t think and imagine when you’re in these places. How are you supposed to make better food choices? How can you motivate to to exercise? How how do you not argue with your family members like it becomes a self fulfilling kind of scenario. So but some of those first things, just try this out, like turn off that Wi Fi,

Dr. Mindy  38:43  

if you’re struggling to sleep and try one night or two nights and just turn off your router, and see what that is.

Darin Olien  38:51  

And have people start to pinpoint that they are, regardless of your sensitive, we are all being affected by electromagnetic fields, period. And so there’s literal, there’s Faraday tents you can put over your bed. So if you’re an apartment, and you can’t turn off everyone’s Wi Fi router, and there’s 20 that comes up, then you can sleep within a Faraday cage that doesn’t allow for some of that polarized radiation to come and you might sleep like a baby. So again, like this is foundational stuff. So if these stress responses are showing, and then you can’t foundationally sleep, your cascade of events is going to hockey stick, right? And then of course, you’ll wake up with no energy you’ll drink coffee more than water through water,

Dr. Mindy  39:46  

but you know what, that’s the best way I think we should think about this is think about it like a toxic bucket, and your body is accumulating toxins accumulating. And then all of a sudden, one day those toxins hit the top of the bucket and the whole bucket spill. Also over, and you are great one day and the next day you have one immune autoimmune condition. And then a year later you have another and then another and another. This is where and why I want to keep you on this EMF, because I think this is the one that’s not talked about enough is that there are so very simple things we can do around EMF and if you remove that one, now all the other toxins may not be flaring up for you. And so I just I loved what you were saying about EMF, do you feel like there’s another category of toxin? That would be a big insult? I mean, endocrine disruptors have to be a part of that. But that’s a whole lot. You need a graduate degree. Of course, biochemistry understand that one?

Darin Olien  40:44  

Yeah, it is. It is so complex. And but yeah, because of EMFs are demonstrating similar patterns. And then when you flip over to the thing that scares me a lot. If these forever chemicals, the pee sauces, and the PFOA is and there’s there’s identified 9000 different derivatives of that and that comes from which you also say in your on your website, like it change out your pants don’t use Teflon, like, but that’s the Godfather, right? So that discovery of Teflon is from these fluorine gases. These P Foss and PFOA is so so what it what was it? It was a hell of a convenience. It was heat resistant. It was slippery. Is it kitchen break down? Yes.

Dr. Mindy  41:34  

You didn’t have to use butter, which is anyways. Right?

Darin Olien  41:40  

Right. So you throw on any and it slips right off. Yeah. Oh my god, this is the best. No one’s thought that there was these chemicals coming off of it now. It could not. Now maybe most people especially your listeners have gotten rid of their pans. But here’s the crazy thing. It’s in fire retardants. It’s in the wrinkle three. Yeah, your furniture, your carpets, whenever the furniture or the carpets or mattresses or linens when they say this is stain resistant. This is wrinkle free T shirt. These kinds of this is waterproofing. These are alarm bells, for P Foss and forever chemicals and just to make a stamp on forever chemicals. This is a very dangerous category because not only is it an endocrine disruptor it’s probable and keeps going up the ladder and likely carcinogen. It’s connected to testicular cancer, kidney cancer, cholesterol, diabetes, and yeah, we’ve played just one more thing we’ve played with these forever chemicals before again, we’ve blasted it into our world. And then we find out later Oh shit, that was a bad idea. Right? So so so things like

Dr. Mindy  43:02  

DDT, right?

Darin Olien  43:03  

That’s a perfect example. Yep, they threw DDT. Right? And what, and it’s in most of people’s blood today, like and that that’s where the persistence. Just because we changed, it doesn’t mean that it’s changed the environment yet because it’s bio accumulating in our environment.

Dr. Mindy  43:25  

This is why I as you’re talking, like every cell in my body is getting angry. And I realized that this is why I fell in love with fasting because it was so overwhelming that I was like the only way out is for us to learn a way that doesn’t cost money and doesn’t take time to get rid of the cells that are damaged by all these toxins. So in your book, if you’re gonna I assume you’ve got mapped this out really nicely so people can chunk it down. Do you give an action plan to is like how you can like start to unwind this so that we can start to have hope again.

Darin Olien  44:04  

Yeah, I mean, the whole last third of the book is all solutions for this stuff. I mean, it was kind of at that point where I was finishing I the way I thought about it was Yeah, from inside out as a way to start. So when we open our mouth, you should really start there with the altering of your chemical exposure and that that can come obviously tap water, obviously processed food. Hell, we just there was a new study a guy researcher out of I think UCLA was showing Oh, yeah, no,

Dr. Mindy  44:41  

there’s there’s it’s only a question of how much you have in your youth plastics wise, it’s not if the more so right. Yeah, right. Well,

Darin Olien  44:51  

right. Totally. And so that food and then that food wrapped in whatever it’s wrapped in. Single use plastics. wrapping your food hot things. Obviously single use plastic and water bottles things like this. So like filter your water, remineralize it, you can use things as far as she legit as well. But also unrefined salt add to your water or saltwater beings, we need those electrolytes. Those are easy ways to get a glass bottle now you’ve just eliminated environmental pollutions as well as pollutions to you, and you’ve got clean water. Those are easy things. And then yeah, we step out from there, and what’s the skin being exposed to? And then your second skin, which is your home? What is that? What is what are those next steps? And that again? Yeah, you’re recruiting sovereignty.

Dr. Mindy  45:45  

That’s what I really like a book like this is so necessary, thank you for writing it because like, even imagine as an author, like the pain of writing that had to be met. So I’m glad you wrote it, not me appreciate you on that one. So, but also, I think what I want everybody to take away from is, you know, Darren, and I could sit probably, and talk about how horrific this is, for hours. But the important important thing is that we just start to become aware and just take small steps, like you’re talking about,

Darin Olien  46:17  

Oliver says that, yeah, that’s where the power is. That’s the eternal optimist, which I actually am, I have more faith in us, you and I, and the people listening, because we have agency, we always have change, and we have the spirit that lives within us. And we can express that how, however we need to and when we realize something is against that spirit of living, then we go nope, I’m not purchasing that anymore and purchasing this. And again, we have the numbers on our side. Where do

Dr. Mindy  46:53  

people find you, Darren? And where do they get the book?

Darin Olien  46:59  

Yeah, so Darren alene.com, anywhere where you love to buy books, I should be there even on Audible and Yeah,

Dr. Mindy  47:08  

well, appreciate you we need to collaborate more. Because those of us that are on the frontlines trying to educate people, it gets brutal out there. And I just I appreciate you as a fellow warrior, and let’s just keep shouting, and eventually hopefully, people will wake up so appreciate ya. Thank you.

Darin Olien  47:28  

Let’s do it. grateful. Thank you.

Dr. Mindy  47:32  

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