Unraveling the Connection Between Your Gut, Mood, Stress, & Energy – with Tina Anderson

Dr. Mindy  

On this episode of The resetter podcast, I bring you Tina Anderson. Now Tina is the founder of an incredible supplement company called just thrive. And why I wanted to bring her to you all is because they specialize in very unique probiotic strain products, specifically around a set of bacteria that are is now being classified as psycho biotics. And what we’re learning about these microbes is that they actually are affecting our mental health. So what you’re going to learn in this episode is that there are key probiotics you need to know about that will improve serotonin, dopamine and GABA. If we just start with those three, three neurotransmitters, this means your happiness and your ability to calm yourself. For menopausal women. What I want you to know is that estrogen and progesterone, were actually stimulating those three neurotransmitters and helping you make GABA helping you make dopamine and serotonin. And as you lose estrogen and progesterone, you start to lose access to those neurotransmitters, which ultimately leads you to more depression, more anxiety, more inability to feel joy. And what you’re going to learn here in this conversation is that some of these psycho biotics are pivotal for bringing back those neurotransmitters so you can be happy again, you will hear the science behind this you’re going to hear the application you’re going to hear what foods you can bring in. You’re going to hear what lifestyle tools are destroying the psycho biotic strains. This is a crazy powerful episode if you’re wanting to understand this gut brain health perspective, and especially for my women over 40 I want you to know that this is the lens in which I interviewed Tina from how do we help you have better mental health after 40 and psycho biotics is key to this discussion, mental health for many menopausal women. We’ll start with understanding how to bring the psycho biotics back. So, so excited, beautiful woman great conversation, Tina Anderson from just thrive. As always, I hope you not only enjoy this, but that it transforms your life. I am absolutely cheering you on and want you to live in the healthiest and happiest body possible. Enjoy

Dr. Mindy  

a Dr. Mindy hare and Welcome to season four of the resetter podcast. Please know that this podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself. Again, if you have a passion for learning, if you’re looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast for you. Enjoy.

Dr. Mindy  

I always love to tell people welcome to the recenter podcast. I truly believe like I’ve invited you into my home. So thank you, Tina. I’m really excited to have you here. Oh,

Tina Anderson  

thanks, Mindy. I’m so excited to be here. You have no idea. I’ve been a fan of yours for a while. So I’m excited to be here.

Dr. Mindy  

Beautiful. Thank you. And you know, what we’re going to talk about is something that I haven’t done a lot on this on this show, and I think really dramatically needs to be highlighted, which is this idea of the gut brain access and specifically around psycho biotics, which was an interesting term that I think came about a few years ago. And I don’t know if it didn’t stick or if I’m just not hearing it in the circles I’m in. But when we look at this concept of psycho biotics, there’s there’s so much to learn about the bacteria that keep us happy. So I definitely want to go down that. But here’s actually the the burning question I have for you, Tina, before we start, what in the world made you want to start a supplement company? That is not an easy task? Why did you venture into that?

Tina Anderson  

I plead the fifth. You know, it’s ignorance. It’s really ignorance. Oh, no, no, no, it has been the most gratifying career journey I’ve ever been on. I started out in litigation. I’m an attorney. I was in, you know, doing trial work and then cited that lifestyle was way too much and then went into a family pharmaceutical business. And that was great. I’m like thinking, oh my gosh, I’m bringing life saving medications to people. I’m making the world a better place. But after being in the pharmaceutical industry for a while I started to see so many of the abuses. My husband and I were both in the industry. We saw a lot of the abuses. We saw the overprescribing of medications and we are really deep thinkers. We read a lot of Norman’s

Tina Anderson  

appeal. Wayne Dyer is like a hero, he was a hero of mine, he still is a hero, even though he’s no longer with us. And I just I was not we were we’d both agree we weren’t doing our life’s work. I mean, we just were not. This was not the way we lived our lives with our kids, we were more naturally focused anyway. And so through, you know, a lot of prayer meditation being at the right place at the right time, we were able to license these very incredible probiotic strains. And that’s how we started this company just thrive. And as hard as it has been, it has been so gratifying. I mean, there is not a day that goes by that I don’t think God above that we I have had been that he put me on this journey, because it is just to help people feel better. I mean, there’s nothing better. Yeah. And I do want to say that when I first saw your products, I was like, wow, these are these are different. These are unique. Like it you You pulled me in, not just when you by the title, just calm, but you pulled me in, in what you put together in in your products. But more importantly, what I want to really focus on is that the fact that we are just starting to understand the microbiome and its impact on all aspects of our health. But can you give our listeners just an overview of where these probiotic strains are affecting in our gut are affecting our mental health? Because we have, I really think when it comes to mental health, we really have this confused. We think that in order to be happy, we need the circumstances in our life to be in a certain way. And I the more I understand the microbiome, the more I understand the human body, the less I think that that’s actually true. And I have noticed from understanding the microbiome to the depths that I’ve been researching it that actually, these microbes determine our happiness, probably more than how your husband is behaving. Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. You hit me out that, yeah, you definitely hit the nail on the head with that, I mean, it is our microbes that are determining whether we’re in a good mood or not in a good mood. And, you know, we know that 95 of our syrup, 95% of our serotonin, which is our happy hormone is actually produced in our gut. For years, I feel like psychiatrists have had their hands tied, because they’ve been focusing on the brain, you know, they’re just prescribing these SSRIs, anti anxiety meds, and really with very minimal success. And really, it’s because they’ve been focusing on the wrong place, we’ve really needed to focus on the gut, we know that there’s this huge gut brain connection with the vagus nerve. It’s the largest, you know, nerve in our body, we call this communication superhighway, because we’re sending the brain is sending signals down to the gut, and the gut is sending signals up to the brain. And of course, we know this, we’re excited about something, we get butterflies in our stomach, or we’re nervous, and we have to go to the bathroom. You know, it’s like, these are all sending signals back and forth to each other. But it’s not only you know, serotonin that’s produced in our gut, all these other important neurotransmitters like dopamine is produced in our gut, GABA, which is our calming hormone is produced in our gut. So all these critical neurotransmitters are actually being produced in our gut. And we’re not focusing on that when we’re talking about mental health or mood health, we’re really we’re focusing on our brain. And I mean, there’s certainly a place to be focusing on meditation and being calm, and all of those types of things, of course, and walking in nature, because those are going to send signals your brains gonna send signals down to your gut. But it’s just this, you know, they’re going back and forth to each other all the time. Yeah. i And there’s something that you I’ve heard you say, which is 80% of people say that stress is affecting their their health at this moment, it’s probably even higher since post pandemic, how I mean, how do we know if there is a gut issue that is enhancing and accelerating our stress response? Like, how do we section that out? Because, you know, I can tell you, there’s plenty of things even in on my happiest days, that I could be unhappy about that. And I think we all have that. It’s not that life is ever going to be completely perfect. So how do we know when our stress response is because of a depleted microbiome? And when it’s just holy cow, like stress has is just hit an all time peak? Yeah, that’s a tricky question. Because you know, you don’t, it’s hard to tell it’s not like we could go in and get a bloodwork done and figure out if we have, you know, if it’s affecting our mental health, but what we do know is that leaky gut, which is of course, the, you know, intestinal cell wall starts to leak and toxins from our gut seep into our bloodstream caused this inflammatory response and cause this inflammation that could go up to our brain and it could go to different organs. But what we do know is that a study that we did on University of North Texas

Tina Anderson  

There are strains, they actually took 50 100 college students 100 Healthy college students, these are college students who feel great have energy, there are no no medication, no diagnosis of any disease. And they found that 50% of them had a leaky gut and didn’t know it. And so what now they’re estimating is that 80% of the adult population has a leaky gut and doesn’t know it. And we know that when you have a leaky gut, those LPS taxes are causing inflammation in the brain and other organs. So you know, it’s safe to assume that if you’re struggling with mood issues, that addressing the gut is going to have a profound effect on you know, you’re on how bad much better you feel.

Dr. Mindy  

So talk a little bit, you just said something that’s really important. And again, I want to highlight it. So everybody has a greater understanding of this, there is your gut diversity. So we need to have plenty of microbes that are very diverse in order to make neuro certain things like neurotransmitters, like you’re talking about. But then we also have in a leaky gut situation where these microbes are giving off a toxin. And so talk a little bit about what these LPS toxins are, because I keep seeing that showing up in different health conversations. And I think it’s a fancy term that a lot of people aren’t completely aware of what it is.

Tina Anderson  

Yeah. So LPS stands for lipo polysaccharides. And these are toxins that are actually aren’t very problematic in their in your gut, they’re, they’re found in our gut, they’re not as problematic in the gut, it’s when they seep into the bloodstream, that we start to see this major inflammatory response. It’s what’s causing autoimmune issues, it’s what’s causing allergies, you know, is what’s causing mental health issues. It’s, it’s really the cause this, this leakiness of the gut and the LPS toxins that, again, are not problematic necessarily in our gut, it’s when they get into our bloodstream, that they start to cause this inflammatory response. And, and that’s, that is really the root of so much disease out there. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy  

And how do we avoid getting these toxins and what’s, what are the lifestyle tools we can use? Well, the

Tina Anderson  

what we really should be focusing on and sealing up that leakiness of the gut, we know that we have these were, I mean, there’s we’re faced with so many disruptors to our gut health, you know, antibiotics that we take antibiotics that are in our animal products, those are incredibly disruptive to our gut lining in our in our overall gut health, like glyphosate, which is, of course, the active ingredient in Roundup, incredibly disruptive, in fact, worse, a bigger disrupter than antibiotics, because glyphosate actually only is targeting the good bacteria in our guts was only killing the good bacteria where at least the antibiotic is killing the bad bacteria with the good bacteria, which is still not good. But it I mean, it’s interesting that actually, glyphosate is actually more offensive to our gut health, and it’s why we’re seeing this rise in allergies and epidemic and, you know, all kinds of autoimmune issues. You know, when I was a kid, which was a long, long time ago, I knew one classmate that had a peanut allergy, you know, all the way from kindergarten through the end of high school and I went to a very large high school. Now of course, we know you can’t go to a school without peanut free tables, you can’t go to a restaurant with them asking, you know, if you have any allergies and I believe in large part that’s due to the glyphosate and the roundup that sprayed all over our food supply. I also think you know, the, the chemicals, the overall you know, process of food, the, the food that the soil is so disruptive in our environment, all of these the world we’re living in, unfortunately, it’s so disruptive to our gut health and why we’re living with these, this leakiness of the gut. And so, you know, avoiding antibiotics will help that, you know, finding, trying to eat a diverse group of foods. Intermittent Fasting is a huge one for helping protect your gut also, because we know that in starve state certain bacteria, certain beneficial bacteria actually proliferate in the gut in a starve state. So I mean, now why am I even telling you this? You know,

Dr. Mindy  

it’s, uh, you know, it’s one of the most common things that actually gets asked of me when I’m on a podcast, is that there seems to be this rhetoric out there that fasting destroys your microbiome? And my, my answer is absolutely no. Like I what happens is there is a reorganization of the microbiome in a fasted state, old bacteria die off new bacteria merge. So to your point, like we can actually shift the microbiome in a beautiful way using fasting. And I’m even thinking I want to chat about this in a moment. Like, could we use a product like just calm and and use it in the fasted state to accelerate the growth and I’ll just ask you right now to accelerate the growth of good bacteria? Because there is this really cool, unique opportunity when you’re fasting to change what we’re talking about.

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, I we have not studied that. And so I hesitate to say anything until we’ve studied it to see how like, with the probes with our probiotic alone, we actually studied it in the presence of food. And we found out that the drains actually proliferate better in the presence of food. So I don’t know what would happen with the just call them product, whether it be better in a fasted state or a Fed state. But we do know that have been in a fasted state actually, dramatically helps improve diversity of the bacteria, which is our goal. And so it is kind of counterintuitive, like you think to yourself, Well, no, that doesn’t make sense. Why would it create more diversity when it’s not being fed? But we do know, it’s been studied that actually, the bacteria actually proliferate in the in the starve state. So I, I always, in fact, myself, I was never, I hate to admit this, but I was like, There’s no way I’m ever going to intermittent fast. I can’t do it. I can’t do my workout without food. I’m not going to do it. Yeah, all the research that I read, I just started slowly, you know, I just started waiting another hour until I ate breakfast, then another hour. Now. It’s like, I don’t even think twice about it. And it’s like, it’s just it’s so liberating to do it anyway. So I but I was one of those naysayers, but it was the research on the microbiome, because I’m so passionate about it, that really motivated me to become a faster. Yeah. And

Dr. Mindy  

ironically, I was the same way. When I first when I first heard about fasting, I was like, Oh, I could try intermittent fasting one day, maybe one day. And then what I noticed is, the more I practiced it, and played with the principles, the actual first thing, one or two of the first things I noticed one was energy went through the roof. But the second one was so much of like digestive challenges started to change. So I had a history of Candida. And when I first started fasting, I, you know, I love looking at my tongue when I fast, because I think the tongue can tell you a lot about what’s going on in your gut. And there was literally not to get too gross, but there was like a black line down the middle of my tongue, the longer I fasted. And what I learned is that actually was Candida dying off. And so the first couple of like three day water fast, longer fast I did it was really intriguing to see that black line, and then all of a sudden, my tongue would turn pink. And you know, I never see a black or yellow line at all anymore. And I know that and I haven’t really changed much in my diet. I just know that so much fasting moving in and out of different fasts have really helped with something going on in my microbiome, and specifically Candida. So I 1,000% agree with him.

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, now you have less sugar cravings, because of the Candida is gone. It’s like it’s amazing.

Dr. Mindy  

Almost none. And that’s, that’s who Thank you for saying that. Because the other thing I’ve noticed is that I was a sugar Holic. And most people would never guess that about me. I do not crave sugar at all anymore, because of fasting and then doing what we’re talking about reintroducing good bacteria so that I can keep populating those good bacteria. And what I’d like to be able to do now is partner that with this idea of how to improve my mental health as a 53 year old woman going through or almost on the other side of menopause. So So talk a little bit about this term, psycho biotic, what is it? What strains of bacteria? are they and why are they so unique for our mental health?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, so the psycho biotic strain that we work with is called Bifido long I’m 1714. And it is a psycho biotic, which is a friendly bacteria that it helps support that gut brain access. So it’s helping support the vagus nerve and the, the communication between the gut and the brain because we want improved communication between the gut and the brain. And we know that the psycho biotic actually has been studied to actually reduce cortisol levels, which is huge, because cortisol is incredibly disruptive to our gut. So it’s like, you know, the more stressed out we are, the worse it is for our gut. And that we know the gut is what’s helping us produce those calming hormones, but then it’s just it’s this you know, never ending cycle if you don’t focus on you know, your gut health and your, and focus on getting a psycho biotic to help support that gut brain axis. So on the strains that I said we work with is this pivotal, longum 1714. It’s been extensively studied in actually bringing down the perception of stress. It’s actually we know that people who have more of the 1714 strain, naturally in their body actually could handle stress better. We know it’s helping with cognitive function, it’s helping us get more into that flow state, which we all want to be in. It doesn’t make you tired. It just helps you be able to like, get in more into that flow state, that theta wave state that we all want to get into. And cognitive function is another one like I’m always my son’s in college, my youngest is in college and whenever he has finals, I’m like, Are you taking You’re just calm, because I just know, you know, you need to get beat. Or if you’re doing a presentation, I tell people, you know, you want to make sure you’re on it. But it’s, it’s a really, really important. It’s not just important to be calm, but just improving your brain health, you know, which we all want to do as we’re aging as well. And it is tricky in this age that you and I are in, you know, we I’ve seen so many of my friends who have just gone to the doctor, I’m just really down and they’re being prescribed SSRIs and the anti anxiety and it’s breaking my heart and, you know, you kind of have to walk that fine line about, you know, telling them something different than the doctors told them. But I’m always about just opening the door to like having them understand that there are other options out there and, and getting to the root cause I mean, that is my passion, my passion, my passion is get to the root cause why are you experiencing this? And how do we address that and deal with it. And, you know, working with a psychosomatic, we’ve seen just incredible results with people with their mood health and their overall, you know, cognitive function.

Dr. Mindy  

Do you see like, one of the things I see on my end is that women go into their 40s. And the lifestyle that they’ve been using in their 40s has to have a shift as their hormones shift, their hormones start to decline. And so I feel like all of a sudden, this mental health issue or conditions really rears its ugly head. So when I hear you talk about your friends, and how they’re feeling, you know, you’ve referenced our age group, which, you know, I’m about passionate right now about how do we help Peri menopausal and menopausal and postmenopausal women. And when we look at the loss of hormones, I and and what we can add back into mentally help us. Do you have you? Have you done any research just on menopausal women at all with this type of bacteria? Or any anecdotal studies or situations where you’re seeing menopausal madness that is helped by using some a product? Like just calm?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, I mean, it’s funny, I have a friend who said it saved my marriage because she’s like, I, I know she’s and I’m like, Okay, I don’t know if I could use that as a testimonial, but she’s like, I literally saved my marriage, because she’s like, Yeah, I had no energy, the probiotic alone just helped her with energy. But then when she added the just calm, then it was like, you know, it’s amazing, because you just you don’t, you’re able to handle things that much better. Um, we haven’t done studies per se on hormone, we know that our hormone production is being done in our gut as well. So we do, I I’m always very passionate about just telling people when they’re focusing on menopause and these years is that you’ve got to be taking care of your gut health. In fact, the most respected doctors and menopausal experts out there are always saying, you know, you need to focus on your gut health when you’re dealing with menopause. And I can’t stress that enough. But yeah, I have just anecdotally I’ve seen it like crazy with women. And, you know, friends, because I’m of that age that, uh, I mean, my I mean, a couple of my friends were like, Oh, another friend was at they were all playing tennis one day, and they were like, oh my god, did you hear about Tina’s new product, it’s like, saved me so much. So it’s, it’s pretty fun. It’s really fun to help your own friends. And that’s been really, really fun. But I as a as a menopausal woman, that is where you start. I mean, I feel like everybody should start with gut health. But particularly, I feel like a pregnant woman. Because you’re passing on that’s the only time a child is inoculated with their gut bacteria is during vaginal childbirth. And as a menopausal woman, this is when your hormones are going crazy, and you’re losing your hormone production, you need to be focusing on your gut health to help, you know, handle all the stressors that are just, you know, coming to us, this should be the best times of our lives. And it is for me, I’m having a blast. I feel great. I’m having a blast. But I want everybody else to feel that way. And I think that’s really important.

Dr. Mindy  

There, I really feel like there’s a transition that happens after 40 that if we could help women understand what you just said, like let’s just get women doing something as simple as adding a probiotic back in and really focusing on her microbiome, then your menopausal journey will be so much smoother. The problem is, is that we come roaring into our 40s with the same behaviors that we used in our 20s and 30s. And we all of a sudden the menopausal symptoms symptoms are amplified. So I agree like I’m on a mission to rebrand menopause. We have to look at menopause as the greatest time of your life. If you are putting your head down and doing the work like like we’re talking about and aware that there’s this lifestyle shift that that needs to happen. If we looked at it from that lens, I think we would end so much suffering, which would be and we you know, we do have it’s a route. We’re an interesting time of life because we have kids that are growing up and we have parents that need care. So we’re sort of sandwiched in between teenagers and aging parents. So our mental health is even more important. And we have even more stressed that’s happening to us. So I really want to just point out to the people listening like, I agree with you, I sit here at 53. And I’m happier than I’ve ever been. But that’s because I’ve been doing the work and understanding my menopausal body trying to figure out what that best the best health past path is, and giving it new tools that I never gave it. Like, be be long Gloriam whatever number you said.

Tina Anderson  

7014 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. Just call that’s always just thrives product, just calm. Yes, exactly.

Dr. Mindy  

Right. But this is like there’s trillions of bacteria in our, in our gut. So getting to know one strain, that can be a game changer like that, it becomes massively important. The other thing I want to reach out and I want to highlight is this idea of the vagus nerve. Because a lot of women when they come into this menopausal experience, they’re so sympathetic dominant, that they’ve completely shut down their parasympathetic nervous system, and that vagus nerve, which is the connection from the gut to the brain, is just under utilized. And I almost feel like that we have to bring back the health of the vagus nerve in order to get the most out of a product like just calm or your probiotics. Am I thinking that through right, or when you actually put these good bacteria in it reinvigorates the vagus nerve.

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, it will. It’s helping improve that communication between the gut and the brain. And you know, and the vagus nerve, of course, so, that’s absolutely right, you hit the nail on the head on that one, also. So, and I think it’s important too, that we are, you know, the fight or flight situation that we’re in. We’re, we’re constantly in it, you know, we know that it was meant to be, you know, like for saber toothed Tiger coming at us. But we get a tweet, where we stay in that fight or flight, we get a email we, our kids say something that upsets us, we’re in a fight with a loved one. I mean, we are constantly in that fight or flight and we are not getting down from it. And that is dangerous. And people have to realize they have to get down from it. We got to get over this. You know, I’m so stressed I’m so important type of mentality that the world we live in right now we have to start realizing like the, the, you know, gold star should be that we’re calm. And we went and read a book and we sat outside under a tree and read a book today, or we went on a long stroll, not a power walk, you know, it just really not that power walks a power walk every day, but you know, there’s times to stroll, and there’s times to just sit and relax. And we have to recognize that these are things that are going to help us go through menopause that much better.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah, I 1,000% agree with you like the term that my brain keeps saying lately is like, the women are tired, we’re tired. We go in, we come into menopause and we’re tired. And then this neurochemical armor that’s been holding us up starts to shed and all our imbalances show up. And we’re just frickin tired. And so what we do instead of honoring rest is we try to work harder and do more. Yep, yeah. And that damages us even more. Which actually then takes me like when I think about that, I go back to Okay, well, what do we need to tap into? What neurotransmitters do we need to tap into, to really be able to rest and I come to GABA, and when you look at GABA, GABA, the precursor for GABA is progesterone. And we’re losing progesterone. So we were trying to overdo our lifestyle to get our symptoms to go away. We don’t have the hormone that makes this calming neurotransmitters. So what are we left with? How do we calm our shit down? And this is where I’m like, Okay, we’ve got to turn to tools like this. So when we look at B longer M 714. Is this a strain that not only improves serotonin, dopamine, but can it improve GABA? And are there other strains and other things we can do to really bring those neurotransmitters back?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah. So the studies right now are showing that it’s, it is helping support all those neurotransmitters, like you mentioned. We don’t know yet about what we did. It was actually interesting. We mixed another probiotic strain with our bethyl longum 1714. And found out that mixing them actually caused the Bifido longum 1714 effects to go away. So it’s really where we have to be focusing on studies you know, we have to be focusing on and that’s something that’s super important to us, just because we see people, you know, supplement companies throw a label on there, and they put a whole bunch of different strains in there. And then next thing you know, it’s really not work. because you have to be fight you have to find strains that were studied on that particular function. And so we are the studies that are on there are showing that it’s bringing down perceived stress, improving cognitive function, bringing down cortisol levels, and helping support that neurotransmitter production. Like you mentioned the serotonin, dopamine and GABA.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah. Which are so, so critical for menopausal women. What about what about B vitamins. So I know you’ve guys have added some B vitamins into these products. And what I find so interesting about B vitamins is that the world is obsessed. I don’t know if you’re noticing this right now. But I feel like the world is obsessed with IV drips and shot, you know, B 12 shots. And you know, I think we’re like get it into us the quickest way we possibly can. But what’s ironic about the B vitamins to me is that it’s the microbiome that helps you break pull B vitamins out of your food and use them for for your, your benefit. And you need B vitamins to make neurotransmitters and for your brain to function normally and for energy to go up. But if your microbes are depleted, you’re not going to make these B vitamins. And so talk a little bit about where that comes into play. Because I can tell you in my clinic for years, if somebody came in and told me they did really well, with B 12 shot my first brain, my first thought was your microbiome is decimated, we need to bring back the health of your microbiome if if a B 12 shot is giving you that kind of energy?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, no, that’s a really good point. And I think that that’s, that goes with everything. You know, I just feel like if your gut is inflamed, which most people’s unfortunately are, because of this world, we’re living in that so disruptive to our gut health, we’re not absorbing nutrients, we’re not producing nutrients, like our short chain, fatty acid production is depleted if our gut is, you know, not in order. And same thing with the V product, the B vitamins as well. So absolutely, that is it’s like where you start with anything. Because we know like you’re taking you know, you’re taking vitamin D, you’re taking, you’re eating really clean all these great, new, high nutrient dense vegetables, and you’re not absorbing any of these nutrients because your gut is inflamed. And so it’s it’s, it’s ground zero for health, in my opinion, including with B vitamins.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah, and are there certain B vitamins that are more synergistic with the bacteria than others? The probiotics?

Tina Anderson  

You know, I don’t know that I have the answer to that question, I would probably have to get our microbiologist on for that one, because I’m not the formulator. So right now,

Dr. Mindy  

I was just curious, because I, because what I see for the menopausal woman is that she’s low in B vitamins. She’s low in her probe her diversity of her microbiome, many times low in vitamin D low in minerals. And then she comes in to her 40s and beyond. And she’s already depleted. And then, and that depletion is amplifying so many of her symptoms. So what I find so brilliant about your products is just how we can add these back in as we move through this really challenge or what could be a challenging time. I also at the root, and I’m curious what you think of this at the root of what how I feel about supplements, is they should they should supplement a really healthy diet. And perhaps you’re actually not on the supplement all the time you come in with the supplement and then you get get out. So what could we do? If we look at your probiotics? You’re just calm? Like what would be the foods that you would pair with that to make sure we get the most out of those supplements?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, well, I think the biggest thing first of all, I agree with you completely, it is a supplement, we should always start first with eating clean, eating healthy, staying away from processed foods. And I would say the biggest thing is just eating clean and trying to get away from any you know, foods that are not organic. And I know that’s very hard for a lot of people. So I would just say start with baby steps, you know, even like the frozen department always has, you know, some organic fruits that you could and vegetables that you could try to use, but try to eat clean. And just go slowly give yourself you know, some grace and I would do, I would also try to eat a diverse group of foods. I tried to go to ethnic grocery stores to have different types of roots and tubers that you could try to, you know, get different types of soils really is what you’re doing is getting different types of soil to create more diversity but, but even like we’re all in this habit of eating the same foods, I think our ancestors you see 500 different types of foods a year and we eat like six to 12 different types of foods a year which is crazy to think because we are creatures of habit we eat the same thing but eating a deer I really am prescriptive about it. I go to the grocery store, and I try to find different types of vegetables that I haven’t tried in a while or haven’t had in a while and go to different grocery stores to try to find different types of foods but obviously foods that are high in fiber have the you know the high prebiotics Foods, the problem. Of course, if you have a dysbiotic gut, and you’re eating all these high fiber foods, they’re going to make up, they could make a problem worse, you know, they are either going to feed the good or the bad bacteria. And that’s not good. So you just really want foundationally want to be focusing on rebalancing that gut with the probiotic. And then and then eating more high fiber foods are taking a prebiotic supplement.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah, it’s crazy how food has gotten complicated now. Plus,

Tina Anderson  

it’s so complicated. I was just in Europe last month, and I’m like, it was so easy, you know, they’re, their grocery stores are small, there’s not a lot of choices. You just go in there and hear we’re like, which, oh, well, are my kids gonna want this? Or is my husband gonna want this? And then I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I just want to go back to Europe live a simpler life.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah, it’s like, well, it to me, it’s like war. When you go into an American supermarket, it’s like, you have to know who which foods are there to tend to tease your taste buds into wanting more and more and which ones are going to support health, like the what our food industry has done here in America is just it’s absolutely horrific.

Tina Anderson  

It’s like the devil’s around, you know, it’s like, no, it’s like, it’s so bad. You’re absolutely right. I couldn’t agree more.

Dr. Mindy  

And I do the same thing. And I want everybody else to not miss what you said, because I do the same thing where when we go to a lot of farmers markets, that’s where we get a lot of our food from, and we keep constantly go to different vendors. Knowing that though, that food was actually grown in different soils will have different microbes, different nutrients, we get to know our farmers talk to them. And I It feels so much better when I’m eating a salad from the farmers market than the one I get at the supermarket because of the I know the care and the love that’s gone into the soil in which they’ve grown. So what do we know about soil health and microbes? You know, I know Zack Bush, I’ve had him on this podcast before many conversations with him. And I know that one of his discoveries, especially around hormones, was that, you know, as soon as glyphosate was introduced into our environment as this ultra pesticide, it started to destroy the good bacteria in the soils. So now the broccoli, the lettuces, what we were eating from our soils don’t even have good bacteria at all. Do we have? Do we have any knowledge at this time? And that was years ago? I talked to him about that? Do we have any understanding if there are actually good microbes in these in these vegetables that we’re eating? Or is it really too? We’re probably kind of assume now?

Tina Anderson  

God? I sure hope not because I’m eating all these vegetables to try to but I mean, there are they are depleted. I mean, they are depleted, like you go to the house to tribes, you go to other indigenous indigenous tribes out there. And they have, they have they don’t even know the word for depression, you know, they don’t know the word for sadness. I mean, they are not experiencing any of the things we’re experiencing here in America, and the Western world. So I don’t I mean, I, I’m an optimist. And so I sure hope that there’s some, you know, type of nutrients still left, but certainly they’re depleted, they’re not the way you know, they they’re not like there used to be, you know, with our ancestors. And I sound like an old lady, because it’s like, you know, oh, is that like, our houses are built the way they used to, but it right, the truth. I mean, it’s really no different, we’re dealing with the same issues with our vegetables and our soil, our soil is, is really over farmed, it’s depleted a lot of nutrients. I mean, I always say the strains in our product actually, are the same strains that our ancestors used to get from the soil from our environment. And if we had that soil, like, we would never need this probiotic at all, it’s just that we aren’t getting those same type of bacteria. So

Dr. Mindy  

that’s key, because what I really think that people think, when it comes to these strains of bacteria is that they’re optional. Oh, I’ll dip into a probiotic. I’ll dip into this just calm. And we think that there, oh, maybe I’ll do it, maybe I won’t. But what I want people to understand is that the food you’re eating is being grown in these depleted soils. So all of a sudden, this taking a supplement with, you know, be long Gloriam 1714. Did I get that right? Close? No. or optional. It’s no longer optional. And so we have to start to bring this back. If we want the mental health that our ancestors had.

Tina Anderson  

That’s right. Yeah, we absolutely have to get these bacteria back in us. And there’s not very many ways to do it. And that’s what was so excited about when we launched his you know, we were disruptors in the market, we brought something that was a completely different story. You know, the idea before was to like reseed the gut put in a probiotic strain, most of those probiotics are dying before they ever get to the intestines. With these, these are actually the same type of strains that were found in our soil. And they are they actually don’t become alive until they hit the intestines because that they were met. We evolved with these strains. So our strains When you get them they’re dormant, they don’t need to be refrigerated because they’re dormant in the bottle. They’re, they’re not live microorganisms. They don’t need to be refrigerated, in fact to be refrigerated, actually, to me is a sign of a weak probiotic. Because if it needs to be refrigerated to stay alive, how in the world would ever survive your body temperature? If it can’t withstand the room temperature of the store shelf, like on the store shelf, it would never survive, it would die? So how’s it going to survive your body? And it what the answer is it doesn’t, we’ve studied this over and over again. And then when it hits the stomach, there’s all this acid in the stomach that it’s meant to be the gastric barrier, the majority of the probiotics on the market, especially those in the refrigerator, are dying because of the stomach acid, where our strains are actually dormant. Because that’s how they were found in the soil. They were dormant in the soil. And then you swallow them, they’re dormant, they hit the stomach acid, they’re dormant, it’s not till they hit the intestines, that they take their shell off. And that’s when they become alive, that’s when they go into their live vegetative cell state. And that’s where they’re actually making a true change in the gut, they stay there for about 21 to 28 days there. So they’re attaching to the intestinal cell wall, and they’re talking to other bacteria, these bacteria are very intelligent, they’re communicating to each other all the time. And so these, these strains, the bacillus strains that are used in just thrive, actually have the ability to change the makeup of your flora, which is profound. I mean, I don’t know of any, we have a study that showed a 30% favorable shift in two and a half weeks with one of our strains, it actually caused this 30% Like shift in the garden. So if you imagine like a garden, is making that garden, get rid of the weeds in the garden, helping the flat plants flourish, it’s another way to create diversity, rather than the old way, or the conventional way that you see out there is just to throw a plant in that garden, you know, were these strains are actually making this change. But and these again, it’s not because we did anything to engineer them. This is the way the strains were naturally, our ancestors evolved with these bacillus subtilis strains. And it’s the way that these were in our soil, and they need to be back in our soil.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah, it’s, it’s so brilliant. Where does fermented foods fit into this? Can we get these strains in fermented food?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, great question. So I’m a huge fan of fermented foods, I eat them all the time, because I know they’re so nutrient dense, and I think they’re incredibly supportive of your gut health, they you cannot get these strains from fermented foods, you just this in you, even if you could ferment with these strains. But the same problem is they’ll become alive when you ferment with them. And therefore they’re, once they’re alive, they’ll be killed off by the stomach acid. So but they’re super beneficial to you. But it’s just they’re not a replacement for a spore based probiotics, because the spores actually are going in and delivering these and creating in their live micro organisms, the fermented foods are similar to most probiotics, they’re actually going to die by the time they get into the intestines. It doesn’t mean they don’t do anything. They’re going to create some type of symptomatic relief and all that, but they’re not making a true change. And with fermented foods, you get so many other gut health benefits, right? Just the ferment alone, but they’re not a replacement.

Dr. Mindy  

Okay, well, it’s so funny, because as you were talking, I’m like, Oh my gosh, what if all of a sudden, I’ve been telling everybody, for years, I’m like, I get you don’t like fermented foods, but you didn’t like you didn’t like tequila shots when you were in college. And you did it anyways. Because you knew that there was going to be a mental diff, you know, change in your brain. I feel the same thing about the fermented foods if you don’t like and eat it anyways. Yeah, but. But what I’m also hearing is like, yes, that’s a part of this puzzle, this mental health puzzle. When we’re rebalancing the microbiome, it’s not the complete picture.

Tina Anderson  

Right? It just isn’t a replacement for a spore based probiotic, because it won’t make that shift in your gut flora.

Dr. Mindy  

Right? And what about the Austro? Below? You know, we have this set of bacteria that break estrogen down. Do we know anything about which, you know, this is one thing I’ve been really doing some research on is like, l router i, L Romanus. Like those have been highlighted as being key bacteria to break down estrogen. And one of the things we’re seeing right now in the menopausal world is this resurgence of HRT. And I feel like in that we’re going to all we’re going to lead women down another disappointing path, because HRT is going to work for some women, it’s not going to work for others, because you still need these microbes to break estrogen down. Have you guys done any research on the strains that break this trouble home down or what your products do to be able to help the breakdown of hormones?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, we haven’t done any studies on our strains, but this is in the pipeline for sure. Because we know this is such a important topic right now and for me, personally, and I know where I’m trying to push it just because we want to make sure that this is his research and we have the research. Before we speak on anything, we really always want the research behind it. But again, you know, we know that the breaking down of estrogen is happening in our gut, we need to be supporting our gut health. I mean, it is it is so foundational and, and I love that you have you’ve read the studies on those particular strains, it’s really important. You know, we see this all the time with probiotics, you know, you see, you know, a befuddle longum, like ours is bifida longum 1714. And people will say, Oh, well, that’s strange, that study showed XYZ function. But then another company will take a product that’s like, Oh, we’ve got Bifido long them in there. But that is that befuddle long image generic Bifido. longum is nothing like that before long M 1714. It’s a very different function, we have to make sure that the strains that you’re using to cite studies are actually in the product. And the studies are on that formulation of the product. That’s really important. Like I said, that before too long. Um, 1714 study we did when we added another befuddle longum, negated all the benefits of the 1714 straw. So it’s really an that is the, that’s what I’m trying to bring to the surface in the probiotic space in the supplement space is like, I love when people go to any probiotic, I’m just happy that they’re getting away from pharma, and that they know enough to be focused on a probiotic and your gut health but, and eventually they’ll, they’ll learn enough to know that this is you know, where you want to be. But it’s just really important as people are navigating this as that you are looking at the strain. And then the strain ID, which is that 1714, or the bacillus subtilis, Hu 58, that you look at that Hu 58 study and see what type of, you know, research and what kind of functions that the research has shown. And know that they’re working together,

Dr. Mindy  

you just expanded my vision on this, because I was always thinking when you look at a probiotic, you want one that has the most amount of strains, you know, we hear like 100 million 100 billion CF use with 34 strains. And what I’m hearing from you is, hey, don’t be fooled by the amount of strains, because what we really want to know is the power of each individual strain, and some of them may negate each other. Is that what I’m hearing?

Tina Anderson  

Yes. I mean, that is one of the biggest myths out there is that you want a high dose multi strain probiotic. I mean, first of all, there’s no research that a high dose like high Cfu count like 50 billion 100 billion CF use is better than one that has 3 billion CF use. I mean, our product has 3 billion CF use and showed a 30%. Favorable shift after two and a half weeks, I don’t know of any probiotic that has a study of that magnitude. We have our product with three strains, has a double blind human clinical trial and leaky gut showing that it’s sealing up the tight junctions. What’s happening now is we’ve got this, you know, America, more is better, we want more strains more. There is a big, big problem with multi strain probiotics, and one of them is that you have this 15 Count strain product. And what we now know is that people don’t know what happens when they’re together. They haven’t studied what happens when they go together. So one strain could take over another strain. So a strain that’s listed on the bottle isn’t actually in the product. A bigger problem is two strains could come together and create a whole new strain that we don’t know anything about. We don’t know if it’s beneficial. We don’t know if it’s detrimental. We don’t know. And in fact, there was just a study done by the Weitzman Institute recently that actually talked about these high dose multi strain probiotics actually, are they they actually competed with the antibiotic use and it was actually competing with your own natural gut flora. So we really want to be careful that you are using a probiotic that has a strain ID associated or the the gold standard is that you have a study with that formulation with those exact formula strains that are used in the product that that’s really the gold standard. And you’re just not seeing that in the industry, unfortunately.

Dr. Mindy  

Do you have a post antibiotic protocol that you use with your products, because that is one of the one of the things I’ve been preaching for over 20 years is, if you have to go on antibiotics, you want to make sure that you replenish those bacteria, because the last study I saw and correct me if I’m wrong is like 80 to 90% of all the good bacteria and the bad pick bacteria get wiped out with with one round of antibiotics. Yeah, do. Yeah. How would we use that your products to repopulate that? Is that something I would hope that you’re out preaching?

Tina Anderson  

Oh, my God, I am I appreciate it. And you’re right about that study. Like, that’s how much it and it’s not just that 80 90% of your beneficial bacteria is wiped out. It’s that it lasts for a year to two years. I mean, it’s not like oh, right away, it just gets back when you’re done taking the antibiotic. Well, here’s what’s exciting with this. We actually study this with our strains they can be used at the same time as being on an antibiotic and will not die out. Most probiotics will He killed in the presence of most probiotics will be killed in the presence of the antibiotic, we actually studied hours with one of the strongest probiotic, or antibiotics out there use with liver encephalitis patients and show that ours survived completely. So we would suggest when you’re on an antibiotic to take two probiotics at the same time, our normal dose is just one a day with food. But we would suggest to take two at the same time when you’re on an antibiotic, but at the minimum, take one. And then and then after a couple months, maybe three months, keep on with that to a day post antibiotic use, because you have got to replenish that gut bacteria and help bring our good bacteria back to life. That

Dr. Mindy  

you solved a problem that I needed the solution to about 10 years ago, I were too late. I would always tell my patients like hey, if you go on antibiotics don’t take the probiotic while you’re on the antibiotic, because you’re just killing everything. It’s just you got to come right back in immediately following that and repopulate that. But it always felt like a horrible answer. Because I’m like, Oh, my God for two weeks, you’re on this antibiotic. You’re decimating the microbes. I feel really bad. But you know, now you have a solution there, which is incredible. Talk a little bit about prebiotics, because I also think that what I’ve seen in your products, and what I know about these bacteria is that not just adding them in is is helpful, but actually giving them the food that in this prebiotic pieces that will help them grow. What what do we need to know about prebiotics? Yeah, well, prebiotics are

Tina Anderson  

really important. And the one thing is we can get prebiotics from food. So you know, with the probiotic strains, we’re not getting that we’re not getting it from our environment, there’s really no replacement for that and their food supply, the prebiotics you can get from food. But we do know that most people aren’t eating enough of those prebiotic foods on a regular basis to really support the gut health. But it’s what’s important. A prebiotic is basically the fertilizer for that garden. So if you envision a garden, the garden has been stepped down and trampled on, there’s weeds growing all over the probiotic think of the probiotic is the gardener, it’s going in there getting rid of the weeds in the garden, actually getting those plants that have been stepped on, trampled on and having them come back to life. The prebiotic is the food that the fertilizer for those good good plants. And the problem with many prebiotics on the market is that they are they can’t distinguish between the beneficial the weeds and the plants. So they’re feeding both. And that’s why so many people will go to a prebiotic and like oh, it made me feel so much worse because it’s actually feeding the detrimental or the pathogenic bacteria. And so that’s why we did not launch a prebiotic for quite some time, because we couldn’t find the particular fibers that will only target the beneficial bacteria. So these illegal saccharides in our product actually only target the beneficial bacteria, they don’t target the you know, bad bacteria in the gut. And that was really, really important to us. So again, we always would recommend people start with a probiotic because that the gardener needs to do its work. And then you can introduce the prebiotic and start noticing the difference and then you’re going to create way more diversity. It’s one of the most effective ways to create more diversity is by adding the prebiotic in addition to intermittent fasting and eating it ethnic grocery stores and things like that.

Dr. Mindy  

What are just so people know what are some of your favorite prebiotic foods? Because I mean, it’s anything fiber II right, but let’s just just so we can make sure that people are adding these in.

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, so artichokes, like Jerusalem artichokes, asparagus, I love onions I love all the time. That’s that’s usually those are usually my go toes. How about you? What do you like what are some I know

Dr. Mindy  

I know artichokes are definitely my favorite but even the nuts and seeds the the raw unpasteurized you know nuts and seeds i i add a lot of when I make a salad, I actually put in the salad as many different types of greens. So I’ll do you know, a micro green, I’ll do a spring mix. I’ll add in parsley, I’ll do meant like I try to add as many greens and then I take seeds, and I’ll put in some pumpkin seeds into there. Sometimes I’ll put some chia seeds hemp seeds. I’ll even take sauerkraut, and I’ll mix it into my salad just because I can get sauerkraut into my family. So to me a salad is a is a prebiotic meal for my bacteria. But you know it tastes good too.

Tina Anderson  

Oh, I That’s awesome. Yeah, I love that. I like to add the seeds into it. So that’s a good that’s a good tip. I’m glad you mentioned that.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah. And what about SIBO though, you know, I do we have so many people that in our reset Academy, people that I have coached over the years CBOs a big issue where you know, they get bloated after fiber. What do we know about your products for SIBO?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, well, that I mean, a lot of times people just have a really bad reaction with a probiotic with SIBO. Because it’s actually contributing to that overgrowth in the small bowel. We know what the spores that are using the just thrive are actually don’t do that. So a lot of times, you know, practitioners will say, don’t take a probiotic if you have SIBO. But with the probiotic that the strains that we use, that actually wouldn’t be necessary to avoid it, because it’s actually helping, you know, like I said, these strains are very intelligent bacteria, they are going to do something different in your gut than they will in mind, because they’re reading that they’re doing something called quorum sensing. They’re reading that microbial environment. And so they won’t contribute to that overgrowth in the small bowel. So and then yeah, of course, people with SIBO, I would be careful with, you know, just going slowly with the prebiotic, eventually, but it is targeting the beneficial bacteria. But I would definitely start with a probiotic to help clean things up a little bit and get rid of that overgrowth in the small bowel and then start introducing the prebiotic very slowly.

Dr. Mindy  

And what what would you say to people who say, Well, isn’t our probiotics? Isn’t this just all woowoo that we’re talking about? My medical doctor doesn’t really know anything about this? Why is the medical community not advocating for this? Like, this can’t be that powerful, as powerful as we’re saying? Because my health care system that I’ve operated in doesn’t acknowledge it? What do you say to that mentality?

Tina Anderson  

I would say that medical schools are funded by big pharma. And we know that doctors are, you know, good people, very smart. Ill are well intended people. But they are being educated by big pharma. I mean, they go into medical school, they’re excited, they got in, they’re working hard, and but they are being fed, what Big Pharma is telling them and it’s, you know, you’ve heard this a million times, but it’s not a health care system. It’s a sick care system. And, you know, they’re never getting to the root cause, like how many doctors say, you know, they go in, I have high cholesterol, high blood pressure, whatever it is, and it’s, you know, they’re not talking about your lifestyle, or they’re not talking about, what are you what are you eating, or they’re just focusing on oh, here’s, here’s something to fix it. And that was the reason why we, my husband, and I were in the pharma industry, we left that to go into this business, because it was something that was very passionate to us, we saw our relatives, you know, they’d be on one pharmaceutical, and then another pharmaceutical, cause skin issues, and then another pharmaceutical called cause joint pain. And before you knew it, she was on 12 different medications and never getting better. And, you know, it just, it’s, it’s kind of disgusting. You know, it just brings out such a, like, I get so passionate about this, because I just want people to start focusing on empowering themselves, you know, go to your doctor, but just go there empowered, ask for the blood test that you want to, you know, doctors aren’t even testing for C reactive protein. I mean, why are they looking at inflammation by your heart? I don’t understand it. It’s like, it’s, I don’t understand

Dr. Mindy  

it, either. I know, it’s, it’s it’s malpractice. I mean, literally, like it is absolute malpractice. And I want to point out something that you said that I just want people to understand that medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical companies. So you better believe that what they’re learning is going to be through the lens of these pharmaceutical companies. Just you know, I think that is so critical for people to understand, when you walk into your doctor’s office, that that’s for many, and I agree with you, there are so many big hearted doctors, it’s just the training they got was through that lens. And so that’s their toolbox. Do you and I know, this has nothing to do with probiotics or but since you worked in the pharmaceutical world, how do we start to have better conversations with our doctors about this, because some doctors are really open and some are shaming and shutting and gaslighting and shutting their patients down.

Tina Anderson  

Yeah. I mean, I just tried to, you know, kindly empower them. And unfortunately, those types of doctors, I would never go see again, you know, the ones that are not open minded, the doctor I go to, I mean, she is a functional medic or not, she’s a integrative medicine doctor, and she’s much more open minded, I’ll say, Oh, I, you know, I started this supplement. And this really helps. She’s like, Oh, what’s the name of that one again? And, you know, she’s really open and she wants to learn, I think, you know, you can’t stop learning in these doctors who are like, No, this is the way it is, or no, if you just don’t go see that doctor anymore. I mean, that’s the change. We just don’t go to those doctors anymore. And you just seek out you know, we spend hours on the phone or on, you know, Instagram or Pinterest looking at recipes and all this stuff. Like we need to spend hours like invested in our health and understanding our health and being empowered when you go to the doctor and say, These are the blood tests that I want. They can’t refuse you those blood tests, like get the blood tests that you want and learn more about what you need. And it’s it’s been a process even for me, you know, I’ve I don’t know Everything either I’m always learning, I’m always trying to understand better. And that’s what I would just, you know. And really, it’s people like human need to that have a platform that are spreading this message to people. I mean, it is literally one of our biggest passions as a company is to empower people and why we invest in our blog so much, because I just want people to be empowered to understand when they go to the doctor, the information that they need and getting to the root cause why do I have this allergy? Why do I you know, people will always say, Well, I don’t bloat unless I eat this. Well, you shouldn’t bloat when you eat something, I mean, that that’s a sign that there’s something going on. And I think that’s right. It’s not about putting it’s not about just eliminated, we should be introducing lots of different foods in our diet. And, and we don’t want to eliminate foods, we want more foods. So I go off on a soapbox.

Dr. Mindy  

Preach Tina, exactly. This is exactly my message. I am trying to get people to believe in their bodies again, especially women, because women have suffered more in this modern world than men, unfortunately, because of our hormonal profile. But then when you walk into the doctor’s office, and you’re you’re getting shamed and gaslighting that’s not okay, I 1,000% Will you go find another doctor? And I actually think the most important question you can continually ask your doctor when you’re sitting there is why when they give you a fancy diagnosis, you say, Why do I have that when they say your genetics, you say, give me another answer what else I can do to overcome my genetics, when they want to put you on a medication forever? You say why? When can I ever get off? Like we have to question and we have not been questioning, we have so much respect for their authority. And we are not questioning them and trying to work with them. And that’s what I just heard and what you just said, so I am I am a kindred soul. And that in that mission with you for sure.

Tina Anderson  

I have goosebumps all over I when I mean, because it’s so true. I just I want people to keep questioning and empower themselves and remind themselves that our bodies are beautifully designed to heal themselves. We are resilient. And that should be our goal is that we are building a body that’s resilient, that we are resilient to things that come our way. And so if we focus on that, and remind ourselves that we are beautifully designed to heal, and we are we have to get to the root cause of it.

Dr. Mindy  

Amen, amen. So where do people start with your products? Because I mean, there’s so many good ones, where do they start? Where’s the best bang for their money? Like, just so because I hope those of you that are listening are really dedicated to your gut health now for your mental health. So where do we start with this?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, I always recommend that everyone starts with the probiotic, the just thrive probiotic. And I would recommend always to do the 90 day just because I feel like that’s when you’re you might see some results immediately. You know, maybe if you have gas or bloating, or whatever it is, you might start seeing some results right away, most people do. But by by 90 days, you’re gonna start seeing other things like more energy, better sleep, all these other great side effects that come from having a healthy gut. And then you know, after a couple of weeks, you could start introducing maybe the just calm product, a lot of times people want to start them at the same time. And that’s perfectly fine. But I would really strongly recommend starting with a probiotic, and maybe three weeks later, starting to introduce the just calm, or the prebiotic, whatever it is, but I wouldn’t start all of them at once or even two of them at once. Because start journaling and see what you notice and see what improvements you start to see. I do say with the probiotic some people may experience die off, which is a common thing that will happen. We don’t a lot of people don’t but don’t get freaked out about that die off is just the pathogenic bacteria dying off and leaving a toxic residue and may cause some more gas and bloating. That’s okay. Don’t freak out about that. Don’t worry about that. But just go slowly. You might want to start with one capsule every other day. Or you could open the capsule and mix it with food or drink and do half of the capsule one day half the capsule the other day. I think it’s easier just to do one capsule every other day. And then don’t worry about if you start feeling that there’s nothing wrong just go slow. That actually means it’s working. So don’t be

Dr. Mindy  

right about that. Yeah, what what die off symptoms other than bloating, anything else that we would know to go slower, you know, like

Tina Anderson  

just any gas or or constipation, diarrhea, any digestive type issues. That’s usually what you’ll see. And then you then start with like the, either the prebiotic, you Next go to the prebiotic or you go to the just calm, you know, whatever. We have a product coach on our team. So if anybody wants to know what products to go further on, you could always call and her name is Emily. You could always speak to her. She’s amazing. And then I would say yeah, the 90 days just really important. I mean the best bang for your buck is to do the 90 day subscription because If it’s the best discount for the 90 day and then the subscription, you get a further discount, and you could of course, cancel at anytime.

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah. And I think that you bring up a really valid point that it’s it’s consistency over time that you’re going to see the change. One of the things I think happens to us when we go to supplements is we use them like medication, we want to take it and within a day or two feel a difference. And I think it’s it doesn’t work like that you’re reestablishing a mechanism in your body that’s natural. We don’t know some of you might in 30 days, it might work really quickly. And some of you it might take 90, some might take 120, depending on your antibiotic use birth control, use steroid use stress levels diet, like all of that factors in to the repopulating of the microbiome. So would you agree?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, I totally would agree. Absolutely. And I will also say that we just in case I don’t, I don’t want to forget this is that we do have the 20% discount on the 90 day only it for us Pelz P E, L z, only because normally, we’ll do like a 15% discount, if I’m on a podcast or whatever. But I really feel strongly about the 90 day that people should like stick with that. And that’s why I’ve just started to do like the 20% off for the 90 day just to see it. Because once people are on it, and it starts they start feeling these incredible results. It’s it’s really profound

Dr. Mindy  

Yeah. And I would say thank you for that. Because that’s one thing I see in making supplement recommendations is that people don’t give it enough, a long enough time. So that’s amazing. So I can’t I got to finish up on my last two questions, which are my favorites. So our theme this our theme this year is self love. So do you have a self love practice? And it to me in self love is owning what you’re really good at? So the second part of the question is, what’s your superpower? What do you bring to the world that is so unique and so necessary for this world?

Tina Anderson  

Yeah, well, my self love practices walking, I love to walk it just it. It just puts me in the best mood, I walk outside. And I’m from Chicago. So even in the winter, I walk outside when, unless it’s really dangerously cold or super dangerously icy. But for the most part, it doesn’t matter. I’m like the mailman. I like a you know, go outside no matter love it. And my superpower, I think is just bringing, I love relationship building. I love people I love being around people, I I love bringing people together, I was ordering an outside patio set yesterday and the users or the manufacturers website was really hard to navigate. And so I was on the phone with him for an hour telling him about why he should go to Shopify, and I started I’m like, we could talk and collaborate about an entrepreneur, I want to help you out. And so I just genuinely love helping people. And I love putting people together and being around people. So I guess that’s my superpower.

Dr. Mindy  

I love it. You know what I’m the same way I like when I when somebody like crawls into my heart. I’m like, Oh my God, you need to know the other people here in my heart and connect with each other. Because there’s some pretty profound people. So I just love that I 1,000%. And I, you know, I just want to say thank you, Tina. Because it is not easy, making a supplement, making a there’s so many bad supplements out there that you can make very cheaply, that you can just push out there make a profit. So to take a vision and make a supplement, make sure that it works and have the heart and integrity in which you all operate from. That’s a rare find. That’s absolute rare. So I just thank you, I so greatly appreciate your compassion and vision for the world and what you’ve done to bring this to us all so deeply appreciate you.

Tina Anderson  

But thank you, Mindy, and right back at you. I love the message. You’re spreading to the world and there needs to be more people like you out there.

Dr. Mindy  

Thank you. We’re more powerful together.

Tina Anderson  

Agree. That’s right. That’s right. Yes.

Dr. Mindy  

Yes. Thank you, Tina. Appreciate you. Thank you so much for joining me in today’s episode. I love bringing thoughtful discussions about all things health to you. If you enjoyed it, we’d love to know about it. So please leave us a review, share it with your friends and let me know what your biggest takeaway is.