Optimizing Women’s Health for Every Hormonal Stage – With Dr. Jodi Duval

Dr. Mindy
is the old model of health care where we’re born healthy, we stay healthy, then we get a symptom. And we go to the doctor and perhaps get a diagnosis, and then we fix our health when something appears, do you think that model of healthcare is going away?

Dr. Jodi Duval
I hope so it’s going to take a little while though. And that’s where a lot of these key players in the industry are really trying to shift that needle. And I feel the model is not effective. I was just having a chat to one of my friends in Australia, he who works in the health department, and tried to work on emergency care. And we all know that the emergency model as well as acute care model works, but it’s, it’s overwhelmed. And in that way, we need to offset some of that responsibility from the hospitals from the key players of the JPS into areas where prevention is more of a focus. And this is where prevention and awareness for health is is the major, you know, looking at that. So I don’t think the model that we’ve got is effective currently in both US and Australia. And, you know, majority of the world, a lot of it needs to be focused on prevention. And yeah, just walking here today, I was thinking about masks, you know, there’s a mandatory mask for even us at the moment, we’re in lockdown. Why can we have a mandatory, you know, don’t eat junk food?

Dr. Mindy
Amen. Amen. I am right there with you.

Dr. Jodi Duval
It’s so easy to put a mandatory mask in place. But how can we not put a mandatory? Don’t eat junk food or you know, multiple other things? Don’t put chemicals in foods, don’t put heavy metals in your mouth? Don’t all these sorts of things need to come together? So yeah, my answer. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
And so we’re hearing more and more about the new version of healthcare emerging, I do think we’re at a really interesting moment in history where there is this breakdown of this old paradigm, but the new paradigm hasn’t really emerged, which is why I love this idea of this health optimization medicine, I had never heard it called met health optimization medicine, I think it’s a brilliant concept. And so, as this new version of healthcare emerges, why do you think today in this day and age, that we need to do it differently? Couldn’t we just stay with the old model? What is it about the old model that’s not working? And what is it about the environment that we’re living in right now that needs a new model?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. So I think looking at something like the exposome omics area, which is the science of exposure of toxins, the environment, what it looks like, at the moment with how many toxins and we can break that down a little bit later, you chemicals, we’ve got even internal toxins that we produce ourselves. Why that’s not working is that we’ve we’ve not? Evolutionarily, we’ve not evolved quick enough to deal with this. Our bodies aren’t used to looking at this type of an environment and coping. So our buckets and I know you say there’s too many buckets are too full are toxic buckets, or deficiencies are too low. They interplay, they inversely look at each other, you know, so the, the higher the toxins, the lower the deficiencies of our deficiencies, the higher the toxins. So this bucket is overflowing for everyone, because our bodies aren’t efficient or aren’t evolved yet to deal with this. And I don’t know if they ever will be because there’s just more and more and more coming on board. Yeah, so, so much more coming on board. So why do we need it now is because our current systems not, we’ve got chronic disease everywhere, and it’s not getting any better in so many different areas. You know, we could talk about diabetes, we could talk about obesity, we could talk about fertility, which I’m sure you’re going to get into. And the health, the mental health aspects, our bodies just aren’t coping. And this these sorts of toxins, I think people don’t realize a lot of know, your audit or your audience would, but a lot of it’s invisible. They and the ALS, the electromagnetic, you know, in frequencies that go on and us not been actually, you know, letting go of all that into the earth, those electrons they build up. So all of that aspect looks at, you know, we need to move this model is not working, that there is no improvements happening. So the prevention, the different layering that we need to put on top of that, you know, it’s complex, and it’s overwhelming for a lot of the industry in some way. Do you think

Dr. Mindy
that the pandemic The amount of immune compromised humans we have on this planet is a sign of the body not being able to handle the toxic load that we’re being delivered every day.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Absolutely, yeah. And immunity is one of those key factors that that struggle as well as the the food that we’re eating and the sugars and that that the high consumption of all the rancid oils or the processed oils, yes. And immune, you know, that’s one of the things that our immune adaptive system when we’re younger, and we’ll talk through, you know, all those sort of last stages, but it’s more so looking at why why our bodies aren’t adapting very well into the, into the immune environment. And there are multiple players in that it’s just not because of the toxins that are outside in the environment. It’s what we’re putting in, where we’re taking medications, even now go into, you know, not go into, but the vaccines component because of what’s in them. And our body’s not using those effectively not creating the right environment to protect itself. So, yeah, it’s huge. And that’s why I sort of, when I try and talk to my clients about this, it’s so overwhelming for them to go. So everything I come in contact with could be a toxin. It’s true. Yeah, in any type of form, it could be turning into a toxin, it could be something you’re consuming with hat, which has something in it, which could be glyphosate that has, you know, that that could harm gut microbiome. So there is so many, so many, so many that we could talk about. And then furnitures, and home environment and molds and yeah, so when it’s depressing.

Dr. Mindy
It can be I always feel like a downer when I talk about toxins. I’m like, I’m sorry, but I’m just reporting what the world we’re living in. Do you think? Do you think it’s and I want to go through from like, the day we’re born till when we’re a senior and talk about how we can optimize different times of our life. But do you think it’s a little bit a bit like that frog, you know, the frog theory, where if you put a frog in boiling water, the frog jumps out, but if you put a frog in water, and you slowly bring the heat up, it dies? Because it doesn’t know to jump out? Are we that second frog right now.

Dr. Jodi Duval
I think you put it perfectly. Another way, I also like to look at it. And so when you’re looking at genetics, you know how we have adapted or not adapted as fast, you know, genetics is sort of loading the gun, and then the environment sort of pulling the trigger, which is a fact, you know, that, right? We’ll get into what to do. Let’s see. And that’s where I find if that lightness is when you when you look at how to fix this sort of thing, or what you can do what your actions are. And that brings you out of the the depressive state of our environment, because there’s so much you can do so.

Dr. Mindy
fashions. Yeah, right. And it’s invisible. So I think one of the things that we see with our community is because toxins are invisible, and because the rest of the world, the majority of the world is asleep to the toxic load that humans are getting, that if you’re just in mainstream world, it’s very easy to not see it, yet the human race is suffering with our with our health. And it there’s a need, we need more people like you, and myself and other health influencers out there that are trying to give concrete tools that we can do so that we thrive in this environment, because the environment has changed. And people are slowly waking up to that, would you would you agree with that?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Absolutely. Absolutely. And it’s but there’s, I say these stages that go through with with the clients, friends, family, and they sort of they wake up, and there’s this perpetual fear that they feel, and it’s really that sends them into a bit of a spin. And then they start to really get fearful, you know, taking control, and it sort of gets this cycle of like, I’m going to do everything, you know, by Yes, EMF meters, cleaning the house, cleaning out mode radius, do redoing bathrooms, and I even went through that myself when I first found out about all of this sort of stuff, you know, 10 plus years ago, and then and then you start to come down a little bit and you think, okay, so we don’t need to do everything. We just need to keep that balance. And I think getting to that point is really important for a lot of people and for that aid for people like you and me and other health professionals and other advocates need to get people to that point, because then otherwise they’re adding to the fear, greed. Yeah. And that can be as harmful in terms of stress and all those aspects as anything else. And that’s sort of that’s where I like to have my clients leave my office at sort of that renewed state of feeling safe and can and can control some of their inbox.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, yeah, well said well said. So okay, so let’s go to just so we can help people put some of these concepts into action. Let’s go, I want to go through each timeline of life and say, okay, if I’m going to call it the old school health care, which is do nothing until you have a symptom, and I’m going to call the new health care what you’re calling it health optimization. So if we were going to take the principles of health optimization and apply it now, from the day we’re born till the day we die, let’s say at, let’s say, 120, because we’re actually meant to live to 120. Let’s start with the first seven years, what the first seven years is when the when the blood brain barrier is not fully formed? What would a mother right now have a child who is seven or under really need to think about to keep that child’s health at an optimal level?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. So first, I like to then focus on environment. So that’s, that’s, again, we’ll we’ll keep with the theme of you know, the environment probably is the biggest influencer because it can influence multiple levels of generations. So when you’re looking at that, I would say first things first is mother’s milk. So making sure mum which we’ll get to at the end, so it’s like the chicken in the egg, making sure the mother knows providing the correct nutrients in terms of breast milk. And that’s that first thing birth as well isn’t really know that. Well, you can’t, you can’t, you know, measure every person’s milk, bringing them into this life during the preconception care is that really important part to make sure that there are, you know, I on every one of my preconception clients who are looking to have babies, I always do heavy metal testing, I always do environmental testing on them, which we can get to at the end. But yeah, so smart. That follows through and and looking at up to up in nutrients, we do the metal omics, we do those testings to make sure all those key nutrients for creating a baby a healthy, beautiful baby, as are there. We also look at, so in terms of the child, we’re looking at the quality of the milk, which means also the food, the mums eating at the time, and the stress that we forget a lot of the time where the heart the heart rhythms really have a huge impact on on even fetuses and young babies and all the way through, like it affects everyone around us, yes, so much more babies, because they’re relying purely on that feedback system from their mother. So stress, and those learned behaviors of dealing with certain situations are really passed on through there. So that that is a health in itself, because that’s our coping strategy for the rest of our life and how we’re dealing with it and how our physiology is responding to those stressors. And that can, you know, make make or break sometimes a system when we’re looking at the stress? So that’s a major component. And then plastics. I see. So so many mothers giving their babies, you know, plastic products. And I love this book, and I’ve always got it here in my little library to show people but I’m not sure if you’ve read that.

Dr. Mindy
Definitely, oh my gosh, no, slow death by rubber ducky. Oh, my gosh, yeah.

Dr. Jodi Duval
So I read that maybe 15 years ago, before I had children. And I was I was absolutely mortified. As books dirty sometimes. And it just taught me that that was about one thing. So every time I say plastic in a baby’s mouth, or anytime I say even just touching plastic toys, which we can’t get away from sometimes. And that’s understandable. And that’s again that you know, don’t look at it this to date, and just try and control what you can and minimize it. But that influences fertility, that periods, the endocrine system, that toxicities that all these aspects. And because the blood brain barrier is still forming, the immune system is still forming, the gut is still forming, in a sense, you know, that’s maturing. So these sorts of things can really really impact how all of that runs, and how the storage of some of these estrogen mimickers can run and so on and so forth. So, I’d say that’s a major one for a lot of women and families to recognize and minimize. So wood toys without all the chemicals and really focusing on those sorts of aspects. The next one, I would say, yeah, the next one, I would say and I’m sure you’ve seen this too, is mothers, fathers families having their phone on top of the baby in the pram, very specific example but I see it so much. So so much. So in itself, you know because of that blood Primary because of the softness of the brain skeletal system, the the influx of those sorts of EMFs and electromagnetic fields can really have a huge impact on brain on brain support brain growth for babies. And again, you know, it’s not it’s, it’s minimally researched. So we do have small amounts of evidence there, but not huge amounts of evidence, and you can probably understand why we don’t Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Mindy
So would you would you say like, if I’m holding my baby, and my phone is on my in my purse, or in my back pocket? That’s a problem? Or is it more when I give my phone to my two year old to hold and watch a video while I’m at the doctor’s office? Like, where’s the biggest problem? Is it when the baby is actually holding the phone? Or is it if it’s on mom, too.

Dr. Jodi Duval
If I think the close closer proximity is not good. So wherever that close proximity is, and it’s not good for mom, either. You know, when I’ve any have your phone on put on airplane mode, it’s quite easy. And if you need to call it need to check your phone, you take it off airplane mode, it’s it’s quite easy to do. Yeah, and just do not have a bedroom, turn it off, take it out, turn it on airplane, you know, do as many things as you can. So even even children, the phones, obviously would probably be the top. Number one, do not download things, put it on airplane, if you really need to go to the doctor’s office and have them type things that you can just play on a video, don’t get them playing games. So there’s so much you can do. But it’s more so just that ease of use when you’re just in that situation that people go to that automatic, which is not ideal. Yeah. Okay.

Dr. Mindy
That’s great advice. I feel really blessed because I have a 21 year old and an 18 year old and we didn’t have cell phones when they were little. So we didn’t have to worry about it. And you know, it wasn’t an issue. And now, you know, I just see, you know, you’re in the supermarket and you see kids with phones, just holding them being entertained by them. And I just don’t even know what the long term outside the EMFs. What does that do to brain development? It really, really concerns me? Absolutely. What do you think about if you mentioned a little bit about birth, before I go on to the teenage years? Do you think if you’re a mother of a child who was born by C section compared to a vaginal birth, that you would need to change some of your optimization strategies? Do they need to be a little different for a C section versus a vaginal birth baby?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah, absolutely. So in the birth scene, and so it’s a complete topic in itself, and preparation for the birth, you know, in the fear, there’s Hypno birthing, there’s meditations you can do that aids, because of the fact that when fear comes, we’re not in our innate, you know, animal mind for birth. So we need to be able to bring ourselves down into a nice beautiful state of relaxation, and in any different way that can look like so you know, we have soft touch massage, and yet had a home birth. And my second, my husband was playing didgeridoo and crystal balls, and I had music and it was just this beautiful. A BB. Yeah, the first bit, wasn’t it, we had sort of two different looking birds, which is fantastic in itself. But that put me into a state and other women as well that you could really just just hunker down and just just feel your body and work with your body and work with the baby. And so when the fear comes up, and there’s so many studies on this, that that’s when the pain comes in that when that that’s when that restriction happens and you feel the pain. So that in itself is a beautiful entry into the into the world. But a lot of women don’t get that and that’s okay. Yeah, when we do have a C section, that would be something that we’re looking for majority of having a similar environment where moms still relaxed baby can still feel everything, trying to have cord clamping delayed slightly. So we’re getting the pulsation finishing, as well as looking at a swab of the vagina into the mouth of the baby and then skin to skin. So they’re all really massive developmental, or health optimization actions that we would need to have a healthy baby come into the world. And then after that with the C section, then you would be ideally given baby a little bit more probiotic support just for that initial development of that gut immune so and then we’ve got other aspects breast milk and

Dr. Mindy
rice, right. So if you’re, if you’re listening to this podcast and you’re 30 years old and you were born by C section, help us understand what does what a C section baby doesn’t get compared to a vaginal birth and can we go back and undo the damage that a C section may have done? For our microbiome,

Dr. Jodi Duval
yeah, I, first of all, and I say this to everyone, because I think it’s always nice to have a positive spin on health. And everyone that walks in here is that the body is incredible. And it can feel anything, if given the right circumstances. So you can always undo, you can always, you know, rien ignite the body’s healing capacity, you’ve just got to work with it, you just got to give it what it needs. So that’s really important to understand. So there’s always a positive spin on there. So if you’re 30, and you’ve hadn’t been born by C section, you’ll probably notice a few things, maybe maybe not immune deficiencies, possibly, or getting sick more often, or just not that strength of the gut that you would normally expect. So firstly, what’s missing is when baby normally comes through the birthing canal. And that takes a massive big gulp of that first inoculation bacteria, and it goes down and it starts, so not killing it straightaway. So when we miss out on that, it means that we don’t get that initial inoculation from our mother, but we only get the environmental inoculation because that and that could be limited, it could be different. So when we’re looking at a 30 year old, then we just really need to make sure that our environment in our gut is optimal. So that could be food, fiber, decreasing toxins, healing, you know, the hyperpermeability, or that the leaky gut aspects of the mucous membrane, lining the lining of the gut, making sure that we’re not stressed, you know, looking after our emotion, because that in itself has a huge impact on gut health and liver, detoxification, etc, etc. So really, just a really good gut protocol and looking after our environment, all the things we’ve spoken about already on our nutrients internally. Yeah. Yeah. Always. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
I love the idea too, that the body heals itself. And this is what I one of the messages that you and I share, which is you, it’s never too late, you can always undo this, you just have to be aware of what this modern environment did to you. And I think that it’s the unawareness, people being frustrated with their health. That is, is unfair, you know, it’s like, because we’re not getting answers in standard health care offices. And yet, you take a 30 year old who, you know, has SIBO and is bloated all the time? And is that doctor having a conversation with that 30 year old that perhaps born by C section contributed to a deficient microbiome that now is showing up in her 30s? These are the kind of conversations I don’t see have people having with their doctors, and I think they would be so helpful, don’t you think?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Oh, absolutely. You know, a my initial intake form all of that’s on there, you know, I put in all of the aspects, you know, do you have heavy metals? Have you had implants to? And that’s just my initial look over, let’s say, and then we go into detail about everything. Have you been breastfed have you, you know, what sort of births did you have? What sort of life traumas Have you had all those impact every aspect of our health? And we need to be knowing about that. So then we can go under and fix all that. And that’s that base, cellular level or base energetic level or base environmental level, however way you want to look at it. Yeah, yeah. Very important.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. So I, I think that when we look at like the next stage of life, which is puberty, that’s sort of where I go after seven. I think zero to seven is really important because of the blood brain barrier. And then I call it the three P’s puberty, pregnancy, and perimenopause, when we have these big hormonal swings, there, this is these are moments where women’s specifically their health gets off track. So help us understand at puberty, what could we do? Like, let’s say I have an 11 year old? who’s about to go into puberty? Would there be anything that I could do to make sure that that transition into puberty was as smooth as possible?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. Again, applying what we’ve talked about on it is a common thread. So we’ve got environmental aspects, and looking at that what are exposed at that sort of, you know, year level or life stage, or lifespan stage, then that would be again, you know, toxic counterparts from foods. So we, first of all, cleaning up the food and educating because there’s such a powerful time of their life where they’re the influence so much that they have been they have a base knowledge already from schooling from education, so you can educate and have the power to really influence the rest of their life at this particular time. So I find that one of the most important aspects Yeah. Then looking at obviously cleaning up in terms of the oils, what we might see in a teenage you know, In the teenage years, we look at the skin conditions, the gut health, the stress, because stress increases dramatically, because of the schooling and the education level that they go into peer groups and friends. So totally the solid foundation of emotional support and knowing where they stand, they’re going to give them sort of that grounding, where they can go, you know, they get a peer coming up and go, I do want to try this. Ah, no, no, no, no, that’s not gonna really serve me well. To a certain extent, they’re always want to try new things. And that’s okay. It’s hard. It is hard, it is hard. So just that, you know, basic understanding, like so, for example, my son who is only nine, but he says to me, you know, we’ll have we’ll go out and he will have some chips or some cake or something like that at a party is like, you know, I don’t want any more, because I know, I’m going to feel really bad tomorrow. So it’s not based on understanding of like, if I have more, I can have it, but I know what it’s going to do to me. And then I can make a choice whether I’m going to have it or not. So that’s really important.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, Lincoln, discomfort to food, I think is a missing piece. If they can understand you feel bad, because you ate bad. There. They don’t a lot of teenagers aren’t making that link. So yeah, brilliant.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. And I’ve been doing certain things. So I get a lot of teenagers in here with fatigue with, you know, really bad, obviously, gut health and skin conditions. And what they’re doing as well as they’re overdoing it, they’re under 18, they’re over exercising, or they’re doing more too much sport or they’re on technology too much. There’s except excessive use of things. So in all in all areas of their life. So really trying to bring back a little bit more balance in there, so they feel more emotionally stable. And again, that plays into hormonal regulation, and building that really healthy system of change, that’s going to happen really quick. So nutrients are really important. And I do focus on that a lot. And there any in my practice, I can then focus on herbes and things that can help adapt the nervous system or adapt the hormonal system in a very basic way.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, one thing I did with my teenagers that I found helpful, because that every time they left the house to go hang out with friends, I just felt so out of control. So I said, okay, the food we have in the house is going to be one way, this is the healthy way. So don’t bring the bad food in here. This is a sanctuary for nutrition. And then you know, you get to decide when you leave the house, what you’re going to engage in. And then you can decide how you feel after the two different types of food. You tell me how you feel. And it really worked to train them to start to see they can even taste both my kids now can taste chemicals versus non chemical foods, because they’ve been in this environment where nutrition was such a key part. And I do think taste buds can come in handy at that moment.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Oh, absolutely. And my kids with water, for example. You know, we go somewhere and there’s no filtered water or there’s no really pure water and they drink and they like

Dr. Mindy
doing reverse osmosis you’re

Dr. Jodi Duval
going to go so and then they they obviously like oh no, I’d rather not have anything. Is there any other way to shop and buy some more water?

Dr. Mindy
Oh my god. That’s amazing. That’s awesome. What else? Yeah, what else like and before we move on to like your 20s. And I really want to move into this idea around preconception and what we can do to prepare a woman for a really healthy pregnancy. What about things like cell phones, with kids, kids sleeping with cell phones near them? Like, what do we need to think about electronics? Because this younger generation is growing up in that? And then in the same question, a lot of things that I’m seeing this happening for teenagers is that they’re being put on birth control girls, beak to help regulate Hormonal Health. What are what are the long term damages of those two activities?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. So you’re right, and there is so much more exposure. And even now, the media and the influences are so strong at that age, you know, they’re looking to find themselves, they’re finding that new level of who am I? What, what does that mean for me, and so I’m influenced by a lot of things that look like they’re cool. That could be part of myself. So when you say, you know, Apple, ear pods and things like that come up and up. Yeah, I had a have a teenager come in the other day. And the mom said, Look, she’s just gotten these new ear pods that are the ones with no cause. And she said, Could you Could Are they good? Are they bad? Could you tell me like, you know what they’re like for her? And I said, Do you want the truth? Do you really want the truth? Do you want me to tell you exactly why I you know, what about this is what we’re Talking about Yeah, yes, we want we want to know, and I said they’re horrible, you need throw them out. And, and that is why. So when we’ve got a lot of, you know, like, pretty much you can think of it as an antenna, and you can think of as sort of a microwave, if you want an analogy of some sort. So when we’re looking at these signals coming in, and we’re looking at these sorts of things come through in a wireless sense, then we’re heating the brain, we’re causing increased damage, and also that that heat aspect from the vibration of the electromagnetic frequencies. So this can have a huge impact on on brain function on even, you know, down the track, we could look at cancers and things like that. So technically, inflammation in the brain is not good. We know that. So when you’re looking at trying to learn and we’re changing, and the major player of hormonal regulation is parts of the brain, right, or hypothalamus that these have huge impacts on then emotional and hormonal regulations. So that in itself, these changes in technologies, like I said earlier, is adoption has not happened. We are not caught up. Our bodies aren’t used to any of this yet. It’s happened too quick. So we are bound to have any inconsistencies in health because of these things, because our body is just not ready for it. Yeah. So what we can do is, obviously educate is one of those kinds of things. The phone is a really hard thing you say everyone everywhere, with the phones a way of connecting. Now, I don’t worry so much. I worry more about the lack of connection and the human connection more so than the technology itself, because of the fact that that’s taken away from it. And that has a wider impact on a person’s health. Yeah, that community that energetic connections, then even the technology itself, that old does have motion. Yeah. Um, so with the phones in itself, you’ve got constant on and that’s nervous system. And that then feeds into hypothalamus stress, HPA access, all these things that are going to disrupt hormones, then you’ve also got the dopaminergic systems, the addictions, all these sorts of things that we’re looking at. And then the gaming the game is huge. With teenagers, huge lack of inactivity comes out of that. And that has a different whole different health consequence. So I think it’s one of the major struggles or changes that we need to make, but they’re the hardest changes to make as this technology. So that’s where I sort of start looking at the teenagers or even the children from an earlier age looking at trying to balance their bodies with healthy food, healthy nutrients and healthy emotional stability. And then they can make choices where I don’t I don’t feel good doing this. I feel out of kilter. I know what my normal level is. So getting them to that. I feel good state, and then they know what it feels like to come off that. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
So well said I like that. Yeah, yeah. And what about what about birth control? Like, what do you think about I know, it’s kind of a totally different topic, then our air pods are our phones, but it’s another barrage of hormonal disruption for a teenage girl? Is there something that we would need to worry about? Is there a way to rectify the damage that her birth control pills might do? Or is it a good option? Maybe it’s a good option?

Dr. Jodi Duval
You know, what I’m gonna say? Number one, I say education. So you know, you break you break it down for them? Why? What is the pill? What is it doing to me, because a lot of clients, a lot of women I speak to still think that they’re having a real period on the pill, on the contraceptive pill. And that may be shocking, you know, testing, how has adopted not told them that this is actually not a real period? Oh, hold on a second. So personally, I break it down. So then the education is there, they know that that’s why we’re doing what we’re doing. That’s, that’s where we’re coming from. And then we look at the consequences for the body. So is it going to really fix your skin conditions? Well, no, it’s not because it’s just put you into a steady state of, you know, hormones that have never seen been seen by the body in an unnatural state. And then as soon as you take those away from it, the body’s going to have to overcompensate for a certain period of time. So it’s actually going to get worse when you get often. Then when we’re looking at new changes, or there’s studies, there’s so many studies that are showing that birth, you know, birth control, or you know, inconsistencies in nutrition, which the birth control can take out through liver date and metabolism, and even gut support and gut health and lack of those natural hormones coming through the body. That can all change the mood in worse ways. So why would we take it to then fix the mood? So breaking it down for them like that? And then obviously, there’s the obvious we don’t want to get pregnant. But that comes in a lot later. Normally, normally, when the doctors going first up, they go, Oh, we’ve got inconsistencies in periods. We’ve got bleeding inconsistencies where we’re, we’re too painful or we’ve got skin conditions. Well, you’ve only given us at less than a year for the, for the hormonal system to start. It’s just getting started. Give it a chance. That’s right. Yep, the full step. You know, like, what, why are we so quick to jump in and change the environment quickly with a drop? Well, we, yeah. So it’s really you know, and those pain that that pain is coming from somewhere that skin conditions coming from some of my inconsistencies in the body’s capability of dealing with toxins or, you know, hormone regulation or, or pushing it through, and a lot of the time it comes from liver or liver metabolism, liver detoxification, so I focus on that a lot for the younger teenagers to get them ready. And then education around food, because that offsets all of that. I love that, then obviously looking at from that perspective, they are the obvious sign is I don’t want to get pregnant. So what do we do? Because again, mom’s like, well, you know, daughter’s going out into the world, I don’t want to, I don’t want them getting pregnant, that could be the worst thing for them. So once you have your period, ready and looking at trying to normalize, that we should happen by the time they’re ready to have intercourse, you know, I know everything’s not ideal. But at that point, you should know exactly where your cycle is going. And this natural fertility methods and the temperature tracking. And just being aware of the body, just bringing attention back into the body, and tracking mucus, and all these sorts of things can be such a powerful tool for women going forward. So that’s what I try and teach my women, my younger teenagers is looking at those aspects to try and empower them. Because then they know their bodies. Okay, so this window, that’s a big no, no. And I know this is not ideal, because sometimes they can switch and change, which can be a dangerous thing. So the only other options that I generally look at for for women, and this is not teenagers, though, majority of the time is copper IUDs. And I’m still not a big fan of those.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’ve looked at it, I’ve I’ve investigated all the different options, and I just have come to there’s not a great one. So I do agree, I do agree that if you’re mature enough, and you can start to do temperature and mucus changes, that’s phenomenal. But you know, as ask any parent that’s, you know, how to teenager, your teenagers. Think about that. So it is a little bit challenging. But I hear I hear you, it’s a tough one. Okay, what about I’m 20 and 30. These years? I’m going to just put them as our fertility years. Do you think that before a woman decides to get pregnant, that she needs to do some type of preconception detox that she needs to think about the environment that she’ll be growing a baby in? Do you? Do you feel like we’re missing that in our culture? And do you feel like that’s really necessary for women?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yes, yes, yes. And yes. It’s definitely necessary. I say, minimum of six months, preconception preparation, is that that’s what I look at as an absolute minimum, one year or more as obviously ideal. Now, where we’re looking at is epigenetics. So no matter what we do, there is a component of coming through from Grandma, what they have done, is going to influence us slightly. So there is a portion out of our control, but there is a lot in our control. And so when we’re looking at women in their fertility years, the major players I find would be toxins, environment, so really bring into awareness. And again, the testing, like I mentioned, I always do a lot of heavy metal testing, metabolic testing to see exactly where the cells are functioning and mitochondria function, all those sorts of things. So then we know exactly what we’re dealing with, as well as gut health, and obviously anything else that they’re trying to heal. We’re seeing so many different conditions coming through PCOS, endometriosis, and all of those, and even thyroid, we support and I support all of those and women before they try and trying to get pregnant. Yeah. The major player, though, also is other than the environmental and environmental stressors, that it’s that it’s that constant busyness that we’re feeling the overscheduling of women, we naturally tend to go to a more multitasking brain. So we’re always in that fight flight, perceived stress as I put it, and the body doesn’t know the difference between, you know, a real stress from a bear running after you versus Have you been too busy in your day? So we never give it that chance. And I put it very simply to my clients. I say, Well, if you’re if you’re running from a bear, would you want to have sex and make a baby? Ah, no.

Dr. Mindy
Well said, Neither does your body. That’s a good analogy.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. So and they’re like, oh, yeah, yeah, I do need to calm it down a little bit. Of course, I don’t like my body’s not going to want to produce something when it feels like it’s running constantly. So there’s that, that that’s a major player. And that’s one of the first things I look at for women. And then the the inconsistencies from that stress, you know, nutritional deficiencies and mineral deficiencies, they the organic insufficiencies and digestion for insufficiencies, even just from that stress state. So we look at all of them, and helping them adapt, given the skills and all that sort of stuff. So,

Dr. Mindy
yeah. Do you think that if you go into pregnancy deficient, that you’ll come out of pregnancy even more deficient?

Dr. Jodi Duval
I say yes. In general terms, I would say, yes. Because I’ve seen it in the blogs, I’ve seen it in the testing, I’ve seen, you know, women who go in deficient, tend not to catch up. So

Dr. Mindy
and then the other one, and then

Dr. Jodi Duval
they have another one. And they’re more stressed, and they’re you know, sleep deprived, and they’ve got less time. So there’s all these factors that I do tell my women as well saying, Well, when you’re looking at this, think of yourself being in a less of a healthy state, not always, but I say you’re going to have more demands on you after when the baby is born. Plus breast milk. Yes, feeding and to notice stuff to prepare your body beforehand, is invaluable for you and the baby and the family. So your coping strategies are better. So yeah, I believe wholeheartedly that we need to be doing preconception care, it’s not just enough to test for rubella and folate. Like, come on, we need to be able to actually bring the woman in a fighting chance and give them the healthy body that they can provide and have the beautiful, you know, experiences after that because their body is feeling better.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, I feel like there’s these big gaps of, of a lack of information for women. And the gaps are, when you get your period for the first time, you should be somebody should sit down with you and show you what a hormonal cycle looks like and talk about estrogen progesterone and testosterone and how you can live a life that flows no pun intended, but lows in accordance with that. And pregnancy, I feel like is the same thing. It’s one of those moments where we need to sit women down before she gets pregnant. And say here, if you go into pregnancy deficient, you’ll come out deficient and then it just oil perpetuate. If you go in toxic, you pass that toxic load down to your child, like these are massive gaps of information that are missing, that are so crucial to a person’s health. Do you and I like how do we fix this outside of a podcast like this? And the work you and I are doing like we have to fix these gaps of knowledge because because the human race is suffering because of it.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah, yeah. And I just wanted to touch on a few more things, you know, when you’re looking at that first period of time, that’s an empowering stage as same with pregnancy, it’s this, it’s this, you know, bridge over to the next stage of womanhood. And then you know, you’re a mom, and then even into the menopause. You know, it’s all these bridges that we need to be able to cross confidently with empowerment, and be able to get there, you know, feeling like you’ve got this or I’ve got enough to get there. The periods they’re shunned upon, and they’re they’re humiliated. It’s just, it’s disgusting. And I think, yes, the first stage is obviously as you say, there’s people like you and me and other practitioners really empowering the younger girls to go, Well, this is a period cup, this is what your blood looks like. This is what the stages of that that’s have a red tent celebration of coming in just incredible. This is how incredible humans feel like that, that I think is happening a lot more and I am seeing that a lot more. It’s sort of like an an awakening in a sense from where I’m at. But again, I’ve got blinders on because I’m always looking for the good parts. Yeah, yeah. I hear you and then into pregnancy. There is not just the gapping in looking at how or how we can, you know, remove those toxins out of your environment or any of those aspects. It’s just, I see so many of my pregnant women come back in after their birth going. They didn’t even tell me I was going to get cramps when I started breastfeeding again straight after birth, but my uterus was going to contract and I was going to get more cramping. I didn’t even know any even told me that I’m like crazy.

Dr. Mindy
I’m crazy.

Dr. Jodi Duval
I didn’t even know I was going to have this sort of thing happened to me all that happened to me. I didn’t even know what a plug was. I didn’t even know what that mucus plug was. I didn’t even know what so I am so passionate about giving women as much implement positive information, never put in a negative spin on it, because that creates the fear on how they can prepare themselves. Well, this could happen and that’s fine. That’s normal. You do this? Yeah. Then you could this could happen. And that’s fine. And then you do this. This is so and breastfeeding, all those sorts of things that women it’s so overwhelming, it’s all brand new, and no one told you anything about it? Oh, you’ll be fine. Say later. Off you go. Good luck. Yeah, time. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. And when the symptom shows up, let’s medicate it. I mean, that’s the thing is that we have been taught that symptoms are horrible, and we should make them go away. But if as you start to work in alignment with your body, you start to see that the symptoms are giving you indications as to what you need to change in your lifestyle. And that we need to flip the idea that a symptom is bad. Like we need to flip that on its head and look at it as just feedback. It’s just feedback from your from your body.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Absolutely. I say to my clients all the time, I say you know you got causing you drama, and you got a bit of diarrhea. That’s okay. Or anything that they’re experiencing. I’m like, Is your body going like Excuse me? Hello, hello. hear anything row? I’ve just looked at it. Any other way?

Dr. Mindy
Exactly. So okay, so now let’s go to 40 and 50. So as you’re going into perimenopause, and then into menopause, is there anything that we need to think of as we to optimize our health as we’re moving through those decades?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Well, I think reading your book is one of them.

Dr. Mindy
Thank you. That’s why I wrote it. Like I really wanted people to like at 40. Like, here’s what you need to know. But so thank you. I agree. Go ahead.

Dr. Jodi Duval
So if they, you know, if they read your book and gotten in early, then the preparation is the key, because you’re, after you’ve had children, or even if you haven’t, things are changing, and you’ve lived a certain life in a certain way. So to understand that, it’s not always going to be that same, same thing happening doesn’t have to be a bad change. But it just means that again, like when we go into puberty, there’s things that are going to change slightly in our body. So we do something about it, we make our body cope better. So that optimization of your body at a different stage of life is really important to understand that it’s not a bad thing, either. Yeah. So there’s specific things obviously looking at, it’s very similar to I would say, a preconception, you know, you make sure your body is lack of toxins, you make sure your stress is taken, well controlled, controlled, or took care of, you’re looking at certain aspects of awareness of the body, you know, what are the signals? What are the signs, what are the symptoms, you know, good father, you know, fasting, like you say, is a really good way of doing lots of all sorts of different resets in the body and detoxes in the body. And then good water, and good nutrition, all those sorts of things. So I would say the differences between them would be just knowing the different signs and symptoms and how the hormones are going to change and how your body is going to feel different. Adapting certain life, or lifestyles, and exercises and eating habits slightly different, then prepare yourself for that smoother transition. And this aids, you know, on top of that, you don’t need to take the medications and majority of the time, you can support yourself with herbes or specific nutrients to get you back into that balance again, and then the body takes over from there. Again, like I say, it’s bringing your body back into that optimal state, and then let it go. Let it fly, let it let it vibrate. And

Dr. Mindy
yeah, yeah, I was thinking, as you’re talking, do you think that medications become more necessary when you are living in a reactive healthcare model, as opposed to a proactive health care model? So at each one of these phases, we’re talking about the environmental demands on the body? And if you go into each phase, knowing that you’re going to have these environmental demands, do you feel like if we had a plan, and we lived a different lifestyle, knowing that the demands were changing, that our hormones were changing, that we wouldn’t necessarily need to lean into medication to solve the problem the way we have been?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Absolutely. And it’s one of those things where you look at, if you’re, if you’re not going into something prepared, then your your body is going to be struggling and that struggle, looks like a health condition or an illness, you know, or a disease where you’re, you’re unbalanced in some sort of way, shape or form. So then The medical model that we’re used to look at how can we fix this from here? How can we fix this down, that is the medications. But then as we know, the further implications from those can unravel or further put deficiencies in or, you know, toxic toxins as well, cellular toxins, and X ray, all those toxins that we talked about already, that comes from those sorts of aspects as well. And I really, really like this same from one of my mentors, Dr. Ted, and he says that, you know, when he had a conversation with a doctor, and they said, Well, your your nutrients are upsetting, you know, your your vitamins, your minerals, and things that you’re trying to put in, are upsetting my clients medications. And he said, Well, my nutrients have been seen by the body before your medications and drugs have not been seen by the body before in an evolutionary sense. So for me, that was quite clear. You know, when when you’ve not seen something in the body before, then what’s the body going to react? Like? What What’s this thing? Hold on a second, we need to compensate. Now, hold on, let’s take some more things around and we need to detox more, and we’re using more nutrients. So of course, it’s going to unstable the body. So if we can do it without that, then that’s obviously the optimal. Yeah. And so for sure, I think that preparation, that plan means that the body is going to trend transition naturally. And that for me makes so much sense. Do you think

Dr. Mindy
we have more faith in medicine than we do our own bodies?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And you hear it all the time. I’m sure you do, too. If people say my doctor said that this is what I need to do. Oh, okay. So what does your body tell you? You need to do? Right? Well, I’ve got symptoms now because I started taking this drug and I’ve got higher blood pressure, and I’ve got headaches. I’m like, Okay, let’s talk about this. Yes, yeah. Glitter is bad. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, yeah, we’re, I’ve noticed that we’re just way more fearful of the symptoms and signs that our body gives us, then we are of the downside of medication, that it’s more scary to live with the symptom, then to take a medication, we never were not willing to look at the downside of medication. We’re always looking at the upside and and then the the medical professions, not always being upfront about the downsides. So I’m really looking forward to a world where this starts to shift. And we go and we look at our own body first. And we say, what is it that we can do to maximize what we’ve already been given? That was already that’s already there. And then if we’re doing everything possible, then we lean in on medicine, it would be like, you know, doing the reverse of how we’re doing now, which is more along the lines of Gosh, medicines not working for me, I’m getting sicker. Now. Maybe I should go look and understand my body. Do you think if we flipped that we could really prevent a lot of the chronic disease issues that we have going on right now?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt, I think that that shifting focus, or that turning upside down, like you say, and, you know, when I when I do my studies, and I’ve been doing my Masters, all these sorts of things, it really looks at that health belief model. And the health belief model in itself, I’m not sure if you’ve heard heard of our looked at it too much. But it’s really based on that, that fear. So it’s that perpetual fear of am I going to be susceptible to a disease, and that makes me take action. So we need to change that model. And a lot of the research a lot of the strategies, a lot of the changes in a government sense or country sensing health strategies comes from this sort of this hail health belief model. And so we really need to try and change that health belief model and get people initiated in change in a different way, versus fear, because that’s perpetuating that cycle of unhealthiness and fear driven by cortisol and then further stated on stabilizing the body. So love that from from that topic, because I always look at okay, so we can do it from the people. And we are starting to do that. And then the ripples happen, you know, teaching practitioners and sharing with students like when I’m lecturing, looking at how to spread that ripple wider and wider and water and obviously chatting and podcasts, all these sorts of things really help but from from that bigger aspect from that macro environmental aspect, we’re really needing to change some of those policies and models and strategy since so we can we can get that going. And that’s educating those people who are making those changes. And so that’s it’s a huge task, but it’s I think it’s possible because what’s working now is not working. You know, what’s happening now is not working So let’s look for options, let’s actually look at a preventative care specific model. And then that takes pressure off all of those hospitals. And as you know,

Dr. Mindy
the amount of money saved would be incredible. So what do you think of anything different, we need to think beyond postmenopausal in our senior years that we haven’t discussed discussed yet anything that we need to like add in so we don’t get Alzheimer’s and dementia. You know, a lot of postmenopausal women set themselves up for cancers, and heart attacks, and anything that you would add this conversation that should be different, as we get into the senior years.

Dr. Jodi Duval
I’ve dabbled in, you know, looking at a few certain things in terms of the nutrients, but a lot of it maintains the same changing as our body changes and and our lifestyle status change. What the obvious thing is, as you’re very much well aware of is the dropping hormone, hormonal influence in the body. And that relates into bone density issues and brain function issues. So trying to optimize those hormones or keeping those steady flow of hormones coming through so they don’t drop off. So suddenly, that gives you a little bit more preventative focus. But again, the toxins come into play, the environment, the stress, exercise, the home, all those stressors that we have, as well as those nutrients and detoxification, organ strategies and system strategies that we need to put into place do remain quite the same. But I think, what we missed in our society, and we haven’t gone into very many specifics today, but I think having a bit of an overarching look at this, you know, you can always look at those specific nutrients you need in metaphors, and, you know, for bone density, but I think women in their older years have lost that wisdom, where we’re meant to be having in a menopause. And after menopause, you know that, that that? Why is that elder over the the other women the teacher, so that missing gives us a lack of passion in those years, or a lack of purchasing those years. And that influences our health so much, so much. So we’re not feeling needed, or we’re not feeling empowered in the sense that we did that we’re not using that we’re not feeling like were worthy citizens or people. So finding something that you can pass on or really be passionate about, or teach or, you know, be involved in, in some way, shape, or form. I think that’s missing for those older generations.

Dr. Mindy
I love that. Yeah, I love that I you know, my reset Academy is pretty much menopausal women 40 And over, that are learning about their hormones for the first time. And one of the things that I always tell them is Okay, the first thing is, let me teach you about your hormones, let me under help you understand where they are in your life. And then what I want you to do is go down and teach your daughter. And someday when you have a granddaughter, I want you to teach her granddaughter, like there’s so much wisdom that we as women can impart to each other. And I never, I hadn’t fully brought to consciousness, this idea that not only is it important for the younger generation, but it is also important for the older generation, because it gives them purpose that was just really well said. I love that.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah, like missing, there’s a block there in our society, you know, all over, you know, elderly shun upon again, just like the periods when we first coming into puberty, are there a lot that you see in the media? Are they taking up space? You know, lots of healthcare providers are having to focus on this, the hospitals are full of them that help you all this other stuff on that. Why are we why are we speaking about them in this way, there are wisdom, their, their their focus that we should be learning from versus thrown over there and see you later. This is awful. And that feeds down. That’s that media, that horrible toxicity that comes from? That’s one part of the toxicity that we didn’t even speak about, is that that media that that that lens coming from multiple areas, that’s not even correct. Yeah, yes. So yeah, it’s so important for I think, those older generation or those older, older women to really feel empowered, versus I’m taking up space. It’s awful. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
yeah. When the pandemic first hit my parents, my dad is 84 My mom is 81. And I said for the first couple of months, I’m like, I only I really only have one focus right now and that’s my parents, and to help them thrive in this in this world. And you know what we did? I’m so proud of what we did because it was things like my mom loves to garden and I was like, Mom, you’re gonna like get in the garden and you’re gonna rub that dirt like all over you. Like, my my dad loves to walk around outside without his shirt on. I’m like, Dad, awesome. If you want Want to walk around naked in the backyard? Just don’t invite me over. But, you know, get out and get some vitamin D. And then we talked about connection? And how do we make sure that you guys don’t get into this place of loneliness. We had a very extensive lifestyle plan for those two. And here we are a year later. And they’re healthier now than they were a year ago, because we had a plan going into the pandemic. And I, I’m just so proud that they were willing to do something that was out of the box that really helped in that moment. So I do I agree, the older we get, the more we are villainizing these conditions and these and medication, and I feel like this, that our seniors are the ones that need us. And we and we can’t throw them aside because their wisdom is so important for our for everyone. So how do we raise them up? So they can turn around and raise us up?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. And you know, talking about sign those which we didn’t even get into? But you know, obviously, the inflammation and all the nutrients have really key aspects to that. But if you thought about it, in that sense, where why are we getting Alzheimer’s and dementia? Because when lying on elders for wisdom that they’re trying to depart on us? And we’re not when are you then are using those particular parts of their brain and knowing that they need to have them there to then give it to us? There’s none of that there’s a complete break there. So have we ever looked at that? That’s what that’s what I wonder, you know, those sorts of aspects, but that’s hard to test scientifically, isn’t it? That’s hard to race.

Dr. Mindy
Very hard. Yeah.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah, definitely considered, I think, yeah.

Dr. Mindy
I love that. Okay, I have five questions for you. To summarize this whole conversation up, though, I have to say how much I’ve enjoyed this perspective, because it’s one that I’m just so passionate about helping people see this different, we have too many people suffering, and they’re suffering because of the paradigm they’re living in. And when we have conversations like this, and we change the paradigm, now we open up possibility. So I just thank you for engaging me in all those questions, so that people can get a more complete picture. So, okay, one of my questions is if you could go back, and I’m going to say to your 16 year old self, if you go back to your 16 year old self and give her advice, what would you say?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Um, oh, that’s tricky. My 16 year old self, I think I was too concerned with external aspects of myself. So I was focused on how I look how I am perceived, I would just say, be yourself, and focus on what’s making you better. And not to worry so much about what other people think, because you’re the one and I know, and I know this now, and it gives you so much empowerment know that to be different, gives other people options, and hearts, different forms of knowledge, and to really, really come into that difference. And now I celebrate my differences. You know, when I get looked at weirdly for having a blue tongue wearing something, or eating something different, it creates questions, and people come up and say, Oh, what was that you got in your mouth? Oh, well, it says it’s an opportunity for education. So I find that empowering now. And if they don’t like it, then well, not my tribe, you know, that’s that sort of thinking. Whereas when I was 16, and most 16 year olds, you really wanted to fit in. And to know that you will find your tribe no matter what, it doesn’t really matter how you are or what you’re doing at that particular time. And it changes dramatically after that. So just be yourself. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
So well said, Okay, what book do you think every person it can be women, men, both every person needs to read like, what are some of the main like, this is a book that everybody needs in their hands?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Oh, this is saying there’s so many books.

Dr. Mindy
You can say more than one. We’re creating a big book list for the rich. We’ve we’ve learned some amazing ones and asking this question.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yeah. Do you know what my favorite and I think the title wrong is? Dan Millman warrior.

Dr. Mindy
I can’t remember the actual Yeah, the way the Peaceful Warrior was worried.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Yep. That’s one of my favorites because it teaches empowerment and change and power of the mind. So that’s one of my favorites. I’m actually reading one of my favorites at the moment called letting go and I think because of the the, the emotional aspect and suppression of emotions has huge parts to play on the physicality of our body. So that’s where I’m, I like to, to bring the bridge together. Yeah, um, the other ones I think, well I think the menopause reset.

Dr. Mindy
Thank you, you’re too kind.

Dr. Jodi Duval
Because there’s nothing like that out there at all. And I think so many have already read your book and loving it since you I’ve had you on the podcast. That’s one of them. And the the period repair manual or in the flow, something like that for particularly when we’re talking about women. Yeah, girls, young women reading those books to actually bring awareness into periods and how they can empower themselves. And I really like Alyssa videos point of view from the in the flow, where you’re empowering yourself that that that each stage is like a superpower. And I love that. It’s so cool. I love it. Yeah, so we’re talking today. I think they’re the good books.

Dr. Mindy
Awesome. Okay, cool. What health habit do you have right now that you feel like is impacting your health the most? And you wish you could never give up?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Never give up? Hmm. Oh, there’s too many. I think exercise and meditation or or time for myself, I could never give that up. And I say time for myself meditation because I feel like having space for creativity, for mental clarity is one of those things that if I don’t get that, I can’t be who I am. And so that’s one of the most important things for me to reset. Yeah, exercise again, if this maybe meditation for me, whatever shape form, and I tell my clients this as well, where you don’t have to go for a bolt, you know, a massive run, you don’t have to go to a gym class, walking, admiring, and awareness of the environment. Urine is also powerful for that movement aspect. And other detox strategies. I think I can’t live without my infrared sauna. Yes, yes. Yeah, well said, the three would be at this stage of my life. Family, it comes into it so that my kids have told me so much becoming a mother, for me, was the most incredible journeys. The preamble as well as into motherhood has really just heightened me and I say this to so many of my clients. So it’s so important to recognize that becoming a mother really transforms you literally transformed you that birthing process through to looking after something, and even the energetic transfer across incredible and so agreed, embrace that, as a mother, you know, don’t see the medical and I see the medical system, which really makes me quite angry. Take that away from a lot of women. And I think that needs to change. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
a great upgrade. What’s the most amazing healing story that you’ve seen, like with a patient what was like the biggest turnaround that you have seen using the principles that you talked about and that you do with your patients?

Dr. Jodi Duval
I have I have a client at the moment. And we’re still sort of, we’re on our way. It’s not quite there. But he has. It’s an incredible story. So he was he’s 26. And he went away to being nega really sick. He was a surfer, really active guy, really healthy, you know, as he thought. He got really sick. And he went into a couple of years where he was chronic fatigue, and he can’t, couldn’t even get off the couch. When I first saw him, he was and he was just so lack of vitality, he couldn’t even look you in the high, he couldn’t even talk he had to have the energy to talk. Fast forward six months, you know, his goal was to get in his car and go down to the beach and be able to walk from his car to the beach. That was his goal. And his second goal was to walk around the block. And his third goal was to go to the shop and get some food. And for me, it was the most Yeah, I was pretty much crying in this because I thought how much we take for granted what we can do in our life and how how other people cannot you know how disadvantage not disadvantage but what they wish for that we see as a normal thing everyday and even complain about it sometimes. So far for that six months, he’s now walking to the beach and putting his face on some days. He’s driving the car on his own. And he the changes weren’t major you know, when you look at it, you know, he didn’t import all these massive amounts of things. It was just been understood, listen to giving hope, and just correcting some of those nutritional deficiencies and we’ll mitochondrial stabilization, you know, making sure that that he had everything then but where I say even to my students and to other health practitioners is the most power we have is that connection Is that that ability to connect with the person in front of us and to give them hope, and to really transform their mindset on what’s possible for their body. And in that itself, that’s the change. Like that’s the most change for someone, they can do that. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
love that I saw a quote from the Dalai Lama the other day where it was, I’m paraphrasing it, it was something along the lines of, we look for the big events in life to be the ones that bring us happiness, but it’s the small, little insignificant events over and over again in a daily 24 hour period that bring us happiness. And when you hear of somebody who can’t walk, can’t eat, I call it lights off where their brain is just not working. Right. They’re missing those little opportunities of joy throughout the day. And that’s, that is worse than missing the big moments and the big highlights of life. So yeah, absolutely. Great. Okay, last question. If you had one message for the world that you could get into everybody’s brain, what would that message be?

Dr. Jodi Duval
Big Questions.

Dr. Mindy
I know I’m a big thinker. I’m the type of person when you sit next to me at a dinner party. We’re not going to talk about the weather we’re going deep.

Dr. Jodi Duval
No, I love it. No wasting time on Um, one thing, oh. Your body can heal anything and I think I just come back down to that because it really applies to a lot of different things. So just just know given the right circumstances given the right support, your body can heal itself and do anything