The Secret To Lasting Happiness – With Rhonda Byrne

Dr. Mindy
I can’t tell you how much my listeners need some mindset work. They need some new ways. Yeah.

Rhonda Byrne
So this everybody does everybody does, you know, unless they’ve done a lot of internal work on the mind, everybody, the mind will get you in the end. Yeah. Yeah, well, which is why it’s quite quite pretty woman, it’s a slippery little sucker.

Dr. Mindy
Definitely, definitely. Which is why I can’t wait to have this conversation cuz I’ve been a fan of the secret for a while. And I still, I still have some work, I have a lot of work to do. So I’m excited to. And, and I have to start off, I got to tell you a story. I’m sure people tell you this all the time about their secret story. But I got I got to start with my secret story. So I’m 51. Now, when I was in college, so I was 1819 years old, I was a competitive tennis player. And we had a sports psychologist come to our team. And he said, Hey, I want to do some visualization with you guys who’s up for it. And everybody was like, No, that’s crazy. And I was like, I’m up for it, but do it with me. And he had me put a visualization of my own voice of like my perfect match. And I would walk around in my little Walkman on, and I would do this. And it was the best season I’d ever had. I was winning match after match. And I didn’t really understand why I just thought this guy did something crazy to me. And it’s making magic happen in my life. And then when the secret came out, I was like, that’s what he did.

Rhonda Byrne
Exactly. Both psychologists have really onto that, and using visualization. I mean, it was even used for the NASA astronauts as well. But I remember that to Australian girls volleyball players, not at all favorites for the Olympics or anything. And so they visualized winning gold. And what they did was other than visualizing they, they put bought as many gold things as they could possibly find. And they filled their apartment with gold, gold everywhere, gold statues everywhere, and visualize and they won gold crane, they knew they absolutely knew that it was because of the internal work that they’re done there at all stops inside, and then projects on the outside.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. And so it’s like, so simple and so difficult all at the same time. And when the secret came out, we played it in my waiting room in my office, any new staff member that came on onto my team, they had to watch it, it just was how we started being able to communicate with each other. But can we start with like, how does this work? And why can’t we do it all the time? Why do we get tripped up? And if it works once? Why does it work every time?

Rhonda Byrne
Right? Well, it’s working all the time. It’s just that we’re creating a lot of the time we’re creating what we don’t want. And so were energizing thoughts of things that we don’t want, and then they will manifest. So we are actually creating every single second of every day that were awake, we are creating. So we’re either creating what we want, or what we don’t want, were creating the appearance and manifestation of something or the absence of it. And the absence of it comes about from not believing that you can have it or not believing that you’ve got it already, which is what we need to do. Because in manifesting you need to take time out of the equation. I mean time is just relative is for laws, time doesn’t exist, you know, there’s no time for the law of gravity. And so and so when you want to manifest something, you have to see it as having it now as you would have done with your visualization, right, you were seeing yourself playing the perfect match before you played the perfect match. So that’s the way that it works. And so people have to what we have to do is use the mind for what it was what it was created for, which was create, be do and have all of the things that we want to be doing have in this physical world. And then really do some internal work so that we don’t energize thoughts that we don’t want, you know, and the mind if, if you haven’t done any internal work and managed to get yourself to a place where you’ve created a little bit of separation between you and thoughts, so that you can see your thoughts rather than being your thoughts, right, rather than being hypnotized by your thoughts. Because a lot of the time, we’re just creating, it’s just sloppy thinking really, we’re just creating, we get caught up in a conversation and where we’re like, you know, get all caught up in a drama. And we’re talking about all the things that we don’t want, we’re talking about sickness, we’re talking about disease, we’re talking about all of the things we don’t want. And as we speak of those things, were bringing them to us. So So all of this is just, it’s been over 1000s of years. I mean, you go through all the spiritual traditions, they just had different ways of expressing it. But it’s the same thing. And it’s a mental universe. That’s the easiest way for me to put it. Yeah, you know, it is, is everything is mind. Yeah, well, mine.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. And yet the what I my experience with using the tool is that sometimes the absence of what you’re trying to create in your life, and it’s not showing up, it’s not showing up, and you’re trying to, you know, think a little harder and think a little harder. Let me get my mind. And that just creates more resistance. So how do we and then I, I like what you said about when we start talking about the absence of it, we just magnify the energy of the fact that it’s not there. That’s right. What do we do in that moment? Do we just stop and go? What am I doing? Do we have tools to retrain our thinking when that happens,

Rhonda Byrne
because because we are actually the most powerful being in the universe. And we can manifest anything, anything, absolutely anything with just a single, a single thought that we don’t contradict. One thought, one effortless thought, we just think, and if we don’t contradict that thought, it absolutely must manifest. The problem is, is that we think about what we want. And then as you say, We’re like, it’s not here yet. And the moment we say that, you know, because we believe that with their belief behind that it’s not here straightaway, you cancel out the manifestation, you created a new one, it’s not here. And that will keep manifesting it’s not here yet. It’s not here, it’s not here yet, when is it going to show up? When is it going to show up all of that you, we will keep perpetuating that absence of it. And so and so one thing that I used to do was, if I would find a thought, or think, Oh, it’s not here yet, or whatever, I would just use that as to reaffirm that I have this already, but I already have it and get that feeling that I already have it. And just really, really sit with that feeling. And I mean, sometimes we have beliefs like I don’t deserve it, or you know, you’ve you’ve got a struggle to get anywhere, you know, nothing comes easy, you got to get things for free. All of those. You have to work hard for now you’ve got a struggle, all of those things, none of those things are true, absolutely none of them. And we know because if you look in the world, there are people who don’t work hard and struggle, and they’ve got abundance. There, it doesn’t apply to everybody, it just depends on what our belief is. And so it’s worth putting in the work on noticing the language that we use, how we talk, and then picking ourselves up and saying, whoa, that’s a relief. You know, I do believe you have to work hard and struggle I do. That’s a belief and really kind of say, that actually isn’t a real thing. It’s just a belief that I have but it will manifest itself always until we let the belief go and so and so yeah, so what I do to manifest I mean, I just easier than we think it is, it’s way easier. All you have to do is have an image of what you want and feel good about that. And

Unknown Speaker
we’re to be effortless, like effortless

Rhonda Byrne
like the lighter you can make it the faster it will manifest you know, whereas if we’re like there’s like, all kinds of Yeah, hold it there. Then we’re contracted were resisting and resistance stops all manifestation. Yeah, yeah. So

Dr. Mindy
what what’s the what’s the difference between effortless and detached? Are they the same thing,

Unknown Speaker
but Christian?

Rhonda Byrne
Same thing, effortless detached, this interest. interest. I know you You know, what’s the best thing that you could be is like, wouldn’t it be lovely if I had a new car? Wouldn’t it be lovely? That is a real effortless thought that has no resistance in it? Because you’re just like, oh, wouldn’t that be lovely to have a new car? A white one? Porsche, you know, university don’t want a Porsche, you gotta be careful what you say. But if it’s really effortless like that, so sometimes if we say, wouldn’t it be nice, that can kind of remove some of the resistance that we have? Whereas, you know, if we’re, if we’re saying, Oh, I have a new white Porsche, and your subconscious mind says, No, you know, that’s a lie. And you’re like, Yes, I do. I have it. I’m feel it. I’m driving it. I got it.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. So you have to be light and playful with it. There’s, it’s

Rhonda Byrne
like light as a feather. It’s the it’s a truly is the lightest touch. Right? Yeah. And that’s how we’re creating all the time. You know, if you think about if people think about a circumstance, for example, you might be walking down the street, and you think of somebody you haven’t seen for ages, and they ring on your phone, or you see them across the street. And you had thought the thought it was really effortless, right? It was, was just a thought that comes in and goes out, and it was effortless. And next thing the person brings you like, I can’t believe it. I was just thinking about you, you know, and, and so it was an effortless thought it manifests really, really fast. So the lighter that we can be the number number one thing is everybody listening does the absolutely everything they want, yeah. You deserve it. Totally, absolutely, completely deserve it. No matter what, no matter what’s happened in your life, no matter where you are. Now, no matter what you’ve done, no matter what you haven’t done, whatever you are wanting to do, be do or have in your life, you deserve it. Just have to, you know, because the mind starts to say, No, you don’t deserve it. You know, you didn’t do anything for that, you know, that’s, you know, that’s not right, you shouldn’t have that, you know, you have to you have to work really hard to make your company successful. You don’t have to work seven days a week, little slave, you know, and then you have a lot of people saying, you know, I got a, I did really well, but I worked really, really, really hard. And I’ve done both. Okay, I have worked really, really, really hard thinking that it was the working really, really, really hard that brought about the success. It wasn’t it was all the mental that brought about the success. It was me believing in what I was doing that brought about this success, not the not the work, not the physical work. Have you ever

Dr. Mindy
had that moment where you have a thought about something you’d love to see show up in your life? And you just feel it in your core? Like, like, I’ve heard you talk about the secret, like you just knew it was going to be success? Yeah. And I know that when I get to that place, I know it’s coming. It’s, I feel but then there’s times that I’m like, I really want this thing, but I can’t get my body to I can’t embody it. Are there? Are there techniques we use? Or is that when you really just start to put your focus on things that make you happy and stay in gratitude so that you can just keep in the energy of manifestation and not feel resistance?

Rhonda Byrne
I think he gave the perfect answer I that feeling of knowing is what you’re talking about. There’s nothing better than that. Absolutely nothing better. You just know it’s you just know it’s going to manifest as just. And with the sacred Yes, I didn’t know I knew exactly what it was going what it was going to do so. And you know what, I don’t get that knowing feeling on everything. I can get a very strong belief, but not that knowing on absolutely everything. And so it is best to just stay in gratitude, to feel really good to just be happy. Because that kind of keeps you away from the resistance of I don’t have it yet. Yeah. And so just being happy and I mean, if we wanted to manifest something, and we felt that I’m going to be happy, whether I’m happy whether I get it or whether I don’t. It will manifest in a flash. Amazing. We really really feel that way. Oh, I’m I’m happy No matter what, you know, if it happens, great. If not, that’s fine, too. No manifests Really? Awesome. We have zero resistance. Yeah, zero. Yeah. That’s really what it’s all about is resistance.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. And I and I’ve observed that in my own life, I studied abraham hicks for a little while. And you know, they talk about that. And it is when I feel resistance towards something, I go up, you’re not, this is not the path you want to be. So a trick that I’ve learned is okay, I’ll scan the things in my life. And I’ll say what excites you right now. And I’ll just obsess on that thing. So I can take my focus off of trying to solve problems. Is that being pollyannish? Or is? is it part of a manifestation just to totally make a different turn with your mind?

Rhonda Byrne
No, I think it’s, I think it’s a really great idea. I don’t have anything, I don’t have a problem with Pollyanna, actually, a friend of yours. I love that wolfies name. I really did. Um, you know, what we’re not meant to suffer, we really are not meant to suffer. And if we focus on the things that we see as wrong, or the things that we think have problems or will suffer, and we’re not meant to, so we are absolutely going down the wrong path. When we do that. And I would say anything that has us feel better. Whatever path that is, whatever we choose to do to feel better, is much better for our life. Because when we’re happy, were actually on the frequency of everything that we want, right? All the things that we want to make us happier on the frequency of happy. And so when we’re happy, like that’s, I think I wrote in the secret, the shortcut to get whatever you want is to be happy now. And when you’re happy now, you know, everything, everything just comes. So yeah, so I think any path I think what what you were doing was really great thing to do. And yeah, anything to not suffer, or unnecessarily I say don’t suffer at all, actually. And I’ve done a lot of suffering in my life, but it was through all of that suffering that I just decided, I’m not going to suffer anymore. No more, I’m going to find the truth so that I don’t suffer anymore. Yeah, I’m

Dr. Mindy
not do you don’t you don’t ever get a suffering thought in a day? No, that’s an array and how many years? Is that been? Is that? Are we talking decades? You had that? Thinking? No,

Rhonda Byrne
you know, no, probably five years. Okay, five years, I’ve been what thought four years? What are we gonna say beginning of 216. So five years. And I’ve been working on it since then. And of course, with the sacred, I already became very, very aware of my thoughts. Because I knew without a doubt that that thoughts manifested. And even at that time, I didn’t understand the enormity of reality and the universe and how it is all mined. And I remember I used to say everything is mine. But now I understand that at a whole new level, so. So I just think if we can No, I can’t I lost my train of thought then because I completely digress. But I had no idea where I was, I didn’t know where it was, Well, one of the things that was one other good thing when you when you not allowing the might rob you, you don’t you can’t sort of pluck on memory so much anymore. Because memories, some of our memories, and not, that’s a lot of work I’ve done too, is letting go of memories that, you know, one will consider traumatic memories, and also letting go of those as well. So yeah, so anyway, I do remember, oh, five years, five years working on it. And it’s just bit by bit, just letting really I’ve been just releasing and letting go for the last five years. But but it doesn’t take five years. I mean, the the teacher who Lester Levinson, who who taught releasing and letting go, he did it in three months. Wow. You know, so I took I took a long time to do it. But already within a really short amount of time. You notice that you’re not buying into things though much anymore. And so while my thinking was very clear Positive from the sacred. And I was very aware of my thoughts by the time I got to 216 there were things that were happening that were outside of my creation, as you create your own reality, and you can’t create in somebody else’s. So I had a lot of very difficult situations that were out beyond my creation. And that is what had me sake, how can suffering and forever? Yeah, which is which he wrote.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, and you’ve written about it in the greatest secret. And I want I want to talk a little bit about that. Because if they thank you for sending me the book, I devoured that. Oh, you did? Yeah. That’s wonderful. Oh, hi, I highlighted mark. Oh, my gosh, this is it again, you, you were quenching my thirst for an elevation of of my thoughts. And I had been asking myself, if there was a different way I could look at my thoughts. If it wasn’t all about controlling my thoughts. And what I gleamed from the greatest secret is we are not our thoughts.

Rhonda Byrne
We’re not No, we certainly are not, we’re not our mind. And, and all that our thoughts are is is the mind, that’s all that the mind is it’s just a bunch of thoughts, a bunch of memories and thoughts. And we are not those know the mind, our mind. And thoughts are a tool, but they are not who we are. And how you know that you are not that is because if you had if we were our thoughts, or we were our mind, and our mind is only thoughts, then every time we had a thought a little and went, a little bit of us would disappear with it. So a thought would come and go. And if we notice were here, before a thought comes and were here fully intact, after it goes. And so we’re the one that’s watching those we are the incredible being that we are that is very silently sitting in the background of our life. And we’re not noticing it because the world is so razzle dazzle, and the mind is so busy, busy. And all of that is covering up the wonderful one that we truly are. That’s just watching the whole parade go by. And that one is the one the knowing one, when you had that knowing that was that was the true, everlasting eternal you is when you

Dr. Mindy
have that core like yeah, that’s some this deep, that’s

Rhonda Byrne
you, that’s real you. Because the real you is knowing that’s one of its qualities that nothing else can be knowing art, but the one that you really are the Eternal One. And so we have this incredible body, and this amazing world full of all spectacular killer things to enjoy. But this is a temporary, you know, the body is just temporary. It’s not who we are either in the mind just isn’t who we are. And so we need to use it for what it’s meant for, which is to create what we want, and not allow it to be our psychiatrists, beta sub our torturer, our Yeah, our psycho therapists, and not to give it that authority. Because most of the time, we’ve given an ultimate authority over us. And so we will believe a thought as it comes into our head. I remember this wonderful teacher, Adi Ashanti. And when he was a child, he looked at adults, and he couldn’t understand why they believe their own thoughts. He thought it was incredible that adults believe their own thoughts. Can you imagine being a child and realizing that I mean, there are a majority of the population believe their own thoughts as though they are fat. And as though they are reality? And of course, when we believe them, then they manifest.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. You know, it’s, it just perpetuates, and then you believe it more because you see the evidence of it. It’s crazy. And I when I read the greatest secret I like got this. It’s almost like a god, like somebody gave me a new pair of glasses. And I put it on and I was like, Oh my gosh, what’s going on up here? I don’t have to believe it all the time.

Rhonda Byrne
Exactly. Yeah. So

Dr. Mindy
So talk a little bit about one of the techniques that you give in that book that I love, and I’ve been practicing, and I’ve stumbled a little bit so I want to pick your brain on them. We can help

Rhonda Byrne
you with it.

Dr. Mindy
I love it. The welcoming process. Yeah. How that and I just had a ton of family in my house. And my sister, you know, came up, my big sister was with me for two weeks, my grown daughters home, you know, with me. And so all this, you know, tension was surrounding me. And I thought I just welcome it. Yeah, it was hard. How? Yeah, so explain to us the welcoming process. And does it get easier as you do it

Rhonda Byrne
more? Yes. Like, like right now. For example, in three nights ago, I woke up in the middle of the night, and I had like a really high temperature. were amazing, because I never have anything like that. And my body felt really hot. And I thought, whoa, this is weird. So what I did was I just welcomed it right out of existence. Like,

Dr. Mindy
explain that. So what does that mean? What’s the thought process like, I’m so happy you’re here.

Rhonda Byrne
So the thing is, the thought process is you wanting to get yourself to the no thought, then it will be released. And so and so what the welcoming practice is just helping you get to be before the mind or over the mind, you’re going to jump over the mind. So everything that I suggest for the welcoming practice, and I’ll go through with you now is for one reason only, and that is to have the mind just drop. Hmm. So that they’re the mind isn’t there, because when the mind isn’t there, everything comes back into harmony, immediately, including your body. Okay, just because everything’s energy. And so if there’s anything manifesting in the body, its energy, and it will just leave so and so it’s always hard to describe something that is a theory or you know, that’s invisible, but I seem to write only about and

Dr. Mindy
we appreciate that. We’re grateful for that.

Rhonda Byrne
And then and so welcoming is like surrendering, I’m going to use a lot of words, so everybody can get the feeling of welcoming is releasing any negative energy, whether that’s negative thoughts, negative ideas about subject negative feelings, negative memories, traumatic memories, even physical sensations. And so all of those things can be released, and through the welcoming practice. And so it’s releasing, it’s also known as letting go. It’s also known as surrendering. And so basically, what we’re doing is we’re getting ourselves to a place of effortlessness. So so if you open your attention, all of the time, we are focused, we, our attention is completely focused, it’s narrowed in. And that’s the mind, the mind, we focus on one thing after another after another thought, inside outside, we’re always focused. And so what we want to do is we want to rock the mind, and therefore open out open our attention. So we’re not focused anymore. So if you imagine that you’re focused on something, and right now, everybody most likely is focused. So you know what that feels like that focus, you can tell what it feels like. And so what I want you to do is, you’ve got your attention on something, is I want you to just open your attention, open it up. And when you open your attention, you should just have a moment of stillness of no mind when you open it. So open your attention, and just stay like that. And that’s actually it. Because when you open your attention you are releasing So say, for example, when I had that the body was hot and everything. When I had that, I just immediately opened my attention now I’ve been doing it so much that it’s just I don’t I don’t even do anything. I don’t even feel like I do anything. But I just opened my attention and what what people will feel is you feel with the moment you open your attention is you feel some relief in the body, right? Yeah, yes, right away, you feel some relief. That’s all you do. That is it. Just open your attention. And then whatever was negative around you will be released. So if it was a belief, like if you spot a belief, for example, or if you have a traumatic memory, and you bring that traumatic memory to mind Or you just get an image of it, and you hadn’t thought about it for a long time. But now an image of it just appeared, an image appeared of it because it’s ready to be released. Okay, that’s why it’s appeared. And so straightaway, you can just open your attention, which is like, you know, I think I explained in the sacred when you’re taking a photograph, and you’re taking close up, and you’re focused on an object or a face, or for example, and you open up the lens, so you’re taking a wide shot, then you’re not focused on anything at all, it’s just the whole picture, nothing in the picture has any priority over anything else, or any focus over anything else, it’s a similar kind of thing is in terms of opening your attention. And I think one of the things that I said too, is for welcoming is that it can sometimes help to open our arms out. And the reason for that is we are often very contracted without realizing it. Yeah. For example, I’ve just been to the dentist, and I was in the trenches. And I’m usually really relaxed, they say, I’m a great patient, and I feel I’m fine. But I, for one second, I just saw that my hands were, I kind of had them across, and they’re really sort of clenched, I was so surprised that the body was doing now. And so what I did was I just took my hands, and I put my hands with my palms, I saw up on the chair, and you can’t be more penstock if your palms are facing up, right? Because that’s like a real position of surrender. Yeah. So that’s why the welcoming practice because you open your arms and your palms up, and you’re kind of surrendering.

And that also helps you kind of open your attention, as well. And so all, you know, probably when people first start out, when you open your attention, you’ll just have a brief second of relief. And the mind will be back. It’ll jump back in, okay. I’m sort of, you know, be dancing around saying, Look at this, hey, look at this. She shouldn’t have said that. You’re going to be like, you know, where did you put your phone? Dry? It does that? Yeah. You’re like an incessant flatmate who never ever shuts up? That’s right. Yeah, what time you wake up in the morning is just non stop. Chicka Chicka chicka. So, but you can have a life where that isn’t the case. So. So yeah, so that’s what it’s really well, retention.

Dr. Mindy
So what I hear is, it’s more of a welcoming of a broader sense and a broader energy. Whereas when we’re trying to solve problems, we tend to be contracted and tight. So what you’re saying is welcome a bigger perspective of you.

Rhonda Byrne
Yes, because all we’re trying to do is get the mind out of the way. Yeah, you say that the mind is wonderful if you’re applying it for what you want. But in any case, why will deliver to each and every one of us far more than we can even imagine or conjure up with our mind. But and so the really wonderful thing is in opening your attention, the body will automatically begin cleaning itself, it’s like my teacher would say, a self cleansing mechanism. And so for the time that your attention is open, then all of the energy is being released. And that energy is what keeps us unhappy. You know, that makes us sick. Yeah. For sure, yeah, all of those things. And so being able to open your attention like that, or releasing the welcoming practice is just the best thing. Like, for me, the most powerful thing any human being can do in their life, because that is what I have done. And just when things appear, if I notice there’s an opinion about something, I would just be like, well look at that, you know, and just release it, and then memories and just release it and any kind of subject that maybe had an emotional charge around and just release it. And there isn’t anything that can get me disturbed anymore. And I’ll just say to everybody, you’ve got to do it. You just do it, just be free because you will be free of the torment of your mind and in an emotional negative emotions and motional disruption in your life and just to be free of that to wake up and Be free of that is just the bell sound.

Unknown Speaker
Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Do you think talking about our problems helps us in any way?

Rhonda Byrne
Looking at the solutions helps us. Okay. But if if we look at the law of energy than anything that we do in the law of mind than anything we focus on will gets bigger. As simple as that. Yeah, you know, there’s just no way around that. So we’re getting a really powerful, we’re so powerful. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
yeah. So if we get with a friend, and we start bitching about something with our friend, we’re only magnifying that problem. Yeah, we’re not helping ourselves feel any better. We may. And I actually think you get a dopamine rush, maybe in the moment? Yeah. But that’s it. It’s almost like it’s addictive. Yeah,

Rhonda Byrne
it’s focusing on our problems, isn’t the answer, finding the solutions? Is, is the answer. And, and do you know, the funny thing is, when you release or when you’ve done releasing, to start having any more problems, you know, nothing appears as a problem. It’s just so easy about everything. And, and just to be free of that, too. I mean, I understand, you know, people go to therapists, and they, you know, talk through problems. And, and I’m not that’s up to everybody to write, you know, what they want to do in that regard. But in terms of the way life works, what we focus on we magnetize in our life, yeah, yeah. And so

Dr. Mindy
is there a language unit we can use, I’ll use the example, when my sister got divorced, this was a couple, you know, 15 years ago, we were just learning about the law of attraction. And so we had a deal with each other, where she would call me and she’d be like, I need to vent for five minutes. And then I’m going to turn out I want to turn and I need you to help me turn to the like, what you just said to the solution. And it was really beautiful. And then all of a sudden, the venting became two minutes, and then it became one minute, and then we got more excited about talking about the solution. Can we bring the concepts you’re teaching to our relationships, and change the languaging, with the people closest to us and say, Hey, I don’t want to bitch about stuff anymore. I want to move more towards the solution. How do we? How do we come up with a common language with people so that we can create better conversations in our life? Or do we just walk away from the ones where people are complaining around us? Or does it not matter? Because we can’t control anybody around

Rhonda Byrne
us? Well, we can’t control anybody around us. And and the happier you become, then then you’re not going to come into contact with the complaining ones. Yeah, you know, because the just the law of energy will keep you apart. So when they’re complaining, you won’t be around them. And or, it doesn’t affect you in any way, you completely see that the one that is complaining is believing the thoughts in their mind, and that they’re doing it to themselves, you know, they’re hurting themselves. And, and it’s up to everybody to find their way to happiness. I mean, in the end, we all have the same destination, you know, we’re all going to go home. And, and so for some, some will go home earlier than others and, and every single one of us will go home, and every one of us is eternal. So So, you know, we could probably really lighten up about light enough about this physical, physical world. Yeah, I’m just trying to think what I did I, with the sacred, I was aware that it was so important for me to feel good, that if I woke up, let’s just say on the wrong side of the bed, and something aggravated me and I just wouldn’t answer my phone. I wouldn’t open emails because I knew on that frequency of aggravation, or the aggravating circumstances would come into my life coming and so I we created the sacred sacred shifters, things, you know, to put on a piece of music that really sort of made your heart sing and, and so these days, I would say, so that’s what I did for the sacred and it worked brilliantly. But these days, jumping then to the greatest sacred, I would say every one of those circumstances is the greatest gift to be given. And I would release because everything’s an inside job, everything. It’s all an inside job and you can be free of any Patience you feel about somebody else, or any drama that you feel, you can be free of it. And just the moment it appears, and the moment you’ve got emotion is the time that you can just open your attention. And so in the welcoming practice, you are not trying to change anything to give people an idea of what we’re doing here is you’re not trying to change what you’re feeling, you’re not trying to fix it, you’re not trying to get rid of it, you’re not trying to do any of that you are allowing it to be here, just as it is. And in the allowing of it to be here, it evaporates. Amazing, because the only thing that makes it stay is our resistance to it.

Dr. Mindy
And trusting. So that person that’s driving you crazy, you could say, Oh, I’m so happy, you’re driving me crazy today. I cuz now I get to practice the welcoming practice.

Rhonda Byrne
And you get to play some energy, and that person. And this is the truth, that person appeared to press that button of yours, because you are ready to be free of aggravation. That’s why they’re there. Every single person in your life is an angel, thoroughly, delivering something to you, to enable you to be free. every circumstance, if this is the same, has the same purpose. And so I mean, I love it. Now, if something comes up, and it and I feel a charge, like it’s so alien, that when I feel a charge, like I’m almost like, well, that’s what

Dr. Mindy
I used to think like that. Got what

Rhonda Byrne
it used to feel like. And then I just, you know what, the moment I noticed that it’s gone. Like it’s so fast. Now, there’s kind of nothing for it to stick to, you know, and the beautiful thing because we are really, really governed by our feelings, we do everything based on how we’re feeling, you know, we’ll move towards something because we think it will make us happier, or we will move away from something because we think we will not be as happy with it. And so we are constantly playing this game all of the time. And that’s where we have given authority to the mind because the mind is our emotions through. I mean, it’s got it’s got the two things together, it’s got thoughts and feelings. And together, those things create memories and beliefs. And it’s just like this little package that can send us Round and Round the Mulberry Bush. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Which is why I love the tool. I thank you for clarifying the welcoming practice, because I actually went back to the book, read it a couple of times that one section, I practiced it, and now I feel much more clear on it. Oh,

Rhonda Byrne
good. I know, it’s a, I know, it’s a little tricky. For sure for people. And I know because I do some lives, you know, Facebook and Instagram lives and, and people asking questions, and often there will be a question around it. And I just use that opportunity to go over it again. And, and I know I’ve received some letters from people where they said, they’d read the book, and they’re really struggling with the welcoming practice. And then they watch the live and they’re like, Oh, I got it because you said something differently. But yeah, it’s worth it to persevere because it is your path to absolute happiness. And of course, as you release all of those things, everything you’ve ever wanted comes to you. It just falls everywhere. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Mindy
So when I when I hear you talk, I think we’re doing life all wrong. People are in general. Yeah.

Rhonda Byrne
Obviously, life works in the opposite way. Yeah, we think

Dr. Mindy
what how do we and then I think, Oh my gosh, if we could get everybody to understand what you understand, the world would be a really different place. There would be a lot, a lot less suffering. But it starts with us figuring it out for ourselves.

Rhonda Byrne
It does, yeah. And everybody. You know, my teacher used to say to me, that you haven’t suffered enough yet. You know, if we’re not seeing if I was not seeing something or she would say you just haven’t suffered enough yet, when you’ve suffered enough, then you do it. And truly, I think it’s the case. You know, even though none of us want to suffer, but we keep doing the same things over and over and over and inflicting suffering. sabotaging our own life. Yeah, wish every single person should have everything that they ever want. And, and if we are not experiencing that having that if we are not happy all the time, then it’s because we are doing something that is robbing us of our true nature. Because we are happiness, we are beauty we are innocence and love and all the intelligence and power that there is. And so any thought that is contradictory to that is sabotaging us, we are far more than just this human experience. Far more crazy and who we are is here all of the time. All of the time. Crazy.

Dr. Mindy
So I’ll ask you what I asked Bruce Lipton, when I spoke with him in the spring, you know, there has been a lot of swirling chaos just in the world in general. I feel like in that Well, I think everybody would agree with that. There’s a part of me that says maybe there’s a breakthrough happening, maybe they’re to your point, people are starting to suffer so much that they’re now open to hearing another way. Do you think we’re having a breakthrough as a society right now? I don’t think you believe in breakdowns, I would, I would guess now that I’ve spoken with you. And

Rhonda Byrne
I think in the world, we will see. And if we look back through history, there were times where, where life was very dark, and thinking was very dark. And then there will be a time where there seemed to be light to come through, like 100 years ago, there were all of the new thought leaders. And for some years, there was just this incredible kinds of light and people realizing the power of their thoughts. And then it was so extraordinary as the century continue the last century, it gradually sort of, you know, closed over. And so went back into the darkness again. So there’s like this cycle, Marcos, I think that happen. And without a doubt, and it doesn’t have to be this way I want to say to everybody, is it doesn’t have to be that you have to suffer to say your way out. Yes. It just does seem to happen that way. Yeah. And but it’s not true. It is not true. I mean, all of the big breakthroughs I’ve had is when I was really suffering. But it’s like hitting a wall. Yeah, I know. It doesn’t have to be that way at all. It’s just I think you’re right, I think when we’re suffering, we really open up and we listen. Right. And people, I think with the with the current situation in the world, and the and COVID people experience fear at a level that they’ve potentially not experienced before. And young people were so afraid that the world was going to end and, and they had never experienced anything like that. So it was I think it was an incredible wake up call to the world that you’re going the wrong way. And you can be sure when we have something a global situation like this, that affects everybody that we are being made to take a right turn or a left turn. But you know, we’re being turned and I think for sure, that’s what happened because like we people have the idea that all safety and security came from working hard and having money and But do you know what? There was no safety and security or there was the appearance of no safety and security? Yes, when they swept through, it didn’t matter what kind of house you had, or what kind of car right This was not a chooser of, of wealth or not wealth or or working hard or and so therefore I just think it was a really wonderful message in that way. Because we have been very materialistic, yes, and and so it helped us say that there’s way more to life than that. I mean, happiness is we all want to be happy. And and I would say to anybody you deserve to have whatever ever you want. But those things will never give you permanent happiness, what the only thing that will give you permanent happiness is discovering who you are. And that will give you permanent happiness and that can never be shaken. And then when you discover that then everything you’ve ever wanted kind of comes to you and you don’t want it anymore.

Dr. Mindy
Right there is a little bit when I’ve manifested some amazing things I’ve had This like, it’s almost like it shows up. And I’m like, Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, it was like, Yeah. That was gonna happen.

Rhonda Byrne
Yeah, it’s so not true. I have so many things happened in my life. And to me, they just life and I don’t even sort of think anymore. Oh, wow, I manifested that dislike. Yeah, that’s right.

Dr. Mindy
That’s amazing. Yeah, amazing. Well, let me finish up on five questions for you that I want to finish on. And I just, I really want to tell you how much not only do I appreciate your wisdom, your time, but I’ve watched some of those lives that you do on Facebook, and you can really tell how much you care how much you want people to grasp this. Like it. There is such an authentic quality to you that is so attractive. And I just want to appreciate you for that

Rhonda Byrne
helps you so much.

Dr. Mindy
It’s incorrect. No, it

Rhonda Byrne
means some. I’m a big, big supporter of human beings. Yeah. Yeah, I’m, I am here for I am here for human beings. And I feel that we are incredibly courageous to take on this physical environment. And the duality and all of it incredibly courageous. Especially considering who we are. And so the idea of being able to help one being to be free is just overwhelming. It’s absolutely overwhelming. So

Dr. Mindy
you get that sense from you. And I encourage everybody to go stock you on on on YouTube and Facebook, because your your q&a lives are incredible. So let me start with this question you have you’ve been on quite a journey over the last couple of years, lots of new teachings have entered your mind if there was a book or a teaching that you would encourage people to go seek out outside of your own? What what would that be? And books we really lean on a lot of books on this podcast. So is there recommend?

Rhonda Byrne
Yes, so Lester Levinson was extraordinary. And he didn’t write any books, but the his quotes and everything will put down in books. And Al dwoskin, who is in the greatest secret, he became the character of that work. And so he has put all of Lester’s teachings into a book, which is called happiness is free. And so it is filled with all of Lester’s books, and all of Lester’s work. And Lester was the original person who did the releasing so. So that book is absolutely wonderful. I have the original book that I have Lester’s by my bedside table. And, and that is called the keys to ultimate freedom. But all of that sin that is in happiness is free. And the keys to ultimate freedom is out of print, and the copies cost hundreds of dollars, and you can get it for 1495 with happiness is free, beautiful II the book that I love so much, and I even get tears in my eyes when I pick up this book. And this teacher is Robert Adams, silence of the heart. And that book on explain what it is about that book. That book affects me so deeply. I love Robert atoms as a teacher, I think he was incredible. He also port you know, if I were to put it into my language, he as a teacher taught the sacred and the greatest sacred, the two of them combined. And

Dr. Mindy
does he have several books?

Rhonda Byrne
He does Yeah, again, he didn’t write. So it was just somebody taking down everything that he said. Here’s another book. I think it’s like the secret to happiness.

Dr. Mindy
Yes, yeah. Yeah. And I’ve heard you talk about the science of getting rich. That’s a great book.

Rhonda Byrne
That book Yes, we have free on our website. And that was the book that woke me up to my first real wake up. So the science of getting rich is the science of getting rich is really wonderful by Wallace wattles. So you can pick that up for free on the sacred doc TV. That me thanks. I mean, there is a free pamphlet of Ramana Maharshi is that is really wonderful and I’ve forgotten what it’s called. But if you go on Ramana Maharshi website we are actually going to be having it on our website. So if you want to hang about for a little bit, we will have it on there and it’s a free it’s a free pamphlet and I think it’s just wonderful. He He was an incredible teacher. I mean, I’ve read all of the new thought leaders, like I’ve read every one of them. So I sense

Dr. Mindy
that Oh, yeah. And when you when you say you trained your mind a part of that was reading all these books and learning all these. Yeah,

Rhonda Byrne
it was Yeah. And, and just realizing the incredible power of the mind. And, and I and also I had had experiences of that in my life because I got really interested in hypnosis and in just in terms of self hypnosis, so to remove any habits and things like that really, really early on in my life. And in fact, we were just talking about this the other day when when I was going to this hypnotherapist, and I told him I was about to have a tooth pulled. And he said, Oh, give you a hypnotic suggestion. So you don’t need any anesthetic. And I said, Okay, and so he gave me the suggestion, I went to the dentist and said, I don’t need anything for this tooth. And he’s like, haha, no, no, no. And I said, No, I don’t need anything. I’ve had a I’ve had a hypnotic suggestion. And he said, Okay, I tell you what, I will put the whatever those dental things are they like pliers, right? And he said, I’m just gonna wiggle it a little bit. The tiniest little bit, a new product for your hand, the moment you feel something, and he just took it out. Wow. Yeah, yeah. So I’ve had things like that in my life, you know, where I’m, where I just began to say, the power of the mind. So really, when I had the when I read the science of getting rich, which was the beginning of just a huge awakening for me. Yeah, I was often running, I was just everything fell, it was fell into place. You know, I looked at everything in my life. I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I created that. And that, and that, that and that. And, yeah,

Dr. Mindy
how much is celebration important when when you do see a manifestation? I’ve heard some people say you should just celebrate it. So you keep that energy going. Is that necessary?

Rhonda Byrne
I find being really grateful. It’s the best thing you can do.

Dr. Mindy
Yes. gratitude.

Rhonda Byrne
Yeah, if you’re really grateful, because that’s the heart. Yeah. And, and so if you’re really grateful, then you just cemented a whole lot more thing, right? Come on. So just being grateful. I mean, that’s the best way for anybody to turn their life around in in less than 24 hours. Is gratitude. Yeah, gratitude, really sincere, deep gratitude. hears I used to do gratitude. When I woke up in the morning, this was following the sacred and during the making of the documentary, I would do gratitude until I had tears in my eyes. Absolutely. Every morning. That’s I mean, I would get out of bed and walk to the bathroom. Thank you with each thought as I walked to the bathroom. So gratitudes extraordinary. Yeah, really.

Dr. Mindy
If you could go back to your 25 year old self, and give her some advice. What would you say to her?

Rhonda Byrne
Well, I would say, um, nothing is what it appears to be. Oh, I love that. And open to the possibility of anything. Yeah. Love that. Because one of the things that we do is we love to say we have an open mind. If we describe ourselves, you know, I’ve got a great sense of humor and I have an openness but most for most of us

Dr. Mindy
that’s not reality that’s not practicing.

Rhonda Byrne
Yeah. And so just open to the possibility that the world is not what it appears to be. Just that that’s just that little bit, you know, because the moment we can just open to the possibility we just let in a way for the truth to reach us and away for life to present itself to us which is so far more beautiful than even what we say. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Do you have last couple questions? Do you have like a ritual that you do every day just to keep your mind in a good place? Or is it just so second nature now do you have do read books every day do you meditate? Or is there a habit that you use to keep the mind working in a in a proper way or in its I’m

Rhonda Byrne
gonna answer that in two ways. I’m gonna answer pre the greatest sacred and post post releasing. So pray the greatest sacred, I absolutely had rituals day and night. And so I did gratitude. I also intended the day I looked ahead into the day and I saw and asked for the weather. I wanted the day to go. I also did it at night at night, I looked back over the day, and looked for the best thing about that day, and singled up the thing that I felt was the best thing about that day. And I would always have lots of things come up. And I would be grateful for each of those things. And then I would intend The next day, tomorrow is going to be incredible day, like I would just experiment. So for example, I would say, tomorrow, there is going to be a surprise coming, that is going to be incredible and amazing. And so And sure enough, they would be all I would say tomorrow, there’s going to be great news. And I can tell you every single time. The next day somebody would say to me, I’ve got great news for you. Crazy, always like that. So yes, I had absolut rituals, if I felt that my emotions plummeted, I would use all of the things that I’ve said in the sacred shifters, and I would shift myself to feel better. And I really worked at being aware of my thoughts. Because if you are aware of your thoughts, they no longer have control over you. And no longer you just have to become aware of them. And I would be aware of how I was feeling as well, because that’s a really good indicator of what you’re thinking. So that was pre sacred, and then post sacred. I just hold sacred, I would look for all of the things to release. And so if something would come up, if I would, somebody was talking about something and I had noticed there was a little bit of an emotional charge in me. Like I had an opinion around that. Kenyans aren’t very good for us. Because they’re fixed. And so I would notice if I had an emotional charge, and then I would just release it. And so post secret, I just kept releasing everything. When an emotion came, I’d be like, yes, and release it. So that I would so I no longer feel anger, my released all the anger in a body, I no longer can have grief, that is impossible. I’ve released all of the grief. And so most of the emotions now I’ve released and if I feel something like this morning, there was like this flash of impatience because my dog vomited on our sofa. I was getting ready for the love. But anyway, the observer that I just like noticed, like, it’s really interesting, like that energy just burst into joy, like that impatient energy just goes into joy. I mean, so yeah, so I just did all of releasing. And then I do not have a mind that delivers thoughts, I only use my mind to think of what I want. So yeah, I use it for what it was intended for. And when you say to meditate, I never took the path of cross legged meditating for hours. And the reason that I didn’t do that is because I wanted to reach a huge amount of the population and I didn’t think they would do that. You like everybody would sit down cross legged and, and meditate for hours. So I wanted to find another way for people to be free. But if you are aware, can I just say this that if you are aware, you are meditating?

Dr. Mindy
Oh, that was good. was good. I love that. Okay, last one. Wow. I feel like after this interview, I’m gonna sit down for a moment and contemplate a lot of this. This was profound. If you had one message for the world that you could really help everybody see in the forefront of their brain, what would that message?

Unknown Speaker
new

Rhonda Byrne
one and only infinite being. That is all the love in the universe that you say. You were the one and only power that exists. You are all the intelligence, all the knowing all of the beauty. You are complete freedom, total joy

Unknown Speaker
and find that wine