This episode is all about minerals. As a human race, we are deficient in minerals, and mineral deficiency looks different for each one of us.
Barton Scott is a chemical engineer, a nutritionist, and the Founder of Upgraded Formulas. Barton is passionate about helping people combat the stressors of daily life, the toxicity of the modern world, the utter lack of nutrients, and the mineral absorption issues that we all face, and he has made it his mission to reduce suffering by increasing the public’s understanding of the human body’s interrelationships.
In this podcast, Are Your Minerals Depleted? we cover:
Why most people have a mineral deficiency
The mineral deficiencies that are incredibly common
How magnesium plays many crucial roles in the body
Why you may want to consider taking an iodine supplement
Extreme fatigue: how minerals can help your workouts
Why Is Everybody Mineral Deficient?
Our world is more toxic than it’s ever been before. Some estimates say 1,000 times more toxic. The soil has been 30-40% more deficient just in the last 60 to 80 years. The CDC says that 96% of people have at least one deficiency holding them back in their health. You can’t just take a mineral and no longer be depleted. Instead, there is a system for taking minerals. We need minerals because minerals activate all the enzymatic pathways in the body. Without minerals, vitamins are useless because of that reason.
The Mineral Deficiencies That Are Incredibly Common
Magnesium, potassium, and iodine are what most people are deficient in. Magnesium is actually building the structures in our minds and our memory. Phosphorus is important, although that one’s in pretty good supply for people that eat enough protein. Your mineral depletion depends on the person’s biochemical makeup at the time. Extreme exertion can lead to mineral depletion. Athletes get sick because they have nutrient deficiency. Also, drugs and medications can lead to a mineral deficiency.
Magnesium Plays Many Crucial Roles In The Body
When someone takes magnesium, they feel better, and they start to sleep better. Magnesium helps with sleep because it converts into melatonin. Melatonin helps us rest and really get in there and get that deep restorative sleep. When we are rested, we can turn down inflammation in the body. When we wake up rested, we can focus more. Then, we can make better choices throughout the day. For instance, we will be able to meditate more and walk more. Take vitamin D with your magnesium supplement because vitamin D causes calcium absorption.
Are You Getting Enough Iodine?
Iodine’s recommended daily allowance is incredibly low, at 150 micrograms. You need iodine to help your thyroid make hormones. Many people think they can get enough iodine through salt. However, that’s not the case because iodized salt is not great. Anybody who has a thyroid problem has an iodine deficiency. Also, iodine is key for brain function. Even if you have hyperthyroid, you will still want to supplement your iodine. You also want to strengthen your adrenals and provide the key minerals that support adrenals.
Extreme Fatigue: How Minerals Can Help Your Workouts
To help with fatigue, you need these minerals: magnesium, potassium, salt, and phosphorus. Magnesium and phosphorus will be critical for recovery after workouts. We have been so brainwashed not to take salt as a supplement. The world thinks that salt is the enemy. However, our heart sits in a bath of potassium, magnesium, and sodium. The hypertension studies were done a long time ago. If you eat less salt, then you crave more sugar. So, these studies are out there to get people to ditch the salt and eat the sugar.
Dr. Mindy But But I just want to start with like that idea of why is everybody mineral deficient?
Barton Scott Hmm, such a good question. Well, our world is more toxic than it’s ever been. Some estimates say 1000 times more toxic the air we’re breathing than not that long ago, like prior to the Industrial Revolution. So our genes haven’t caught up to that. And the soil is 30 40% more deficient just in the last 60 to 80 years. So and we’re not eating 60 to 30 to 40%. More. And even if we were, that would just be more than the body would have to get rid of. So there’s, there’s a lot there.
Dr. Mindy So would it be fair to say that pretty much every human is mineral deficient?
Barton Scott Yes, it would, you know, I don’t like to quote the CDC much, but even their estimates, because they’re so conservative, they say 96% of people have at least one deficiency that is holding them back in their health. So raised here, and something like 90% have eight or more, eight or more. Yeah, yeah. So it’s, I think that’s, that’s fairly conservative as well. However, it you know, it’s, it’s all about understanding the priority of these things, and trying and not trying to fix all of them at once. But it’s understanding a sequence that the body cares about most and in doing in that sequence, and also respect to heavy metals. And, yeah, a lot of Yes, it influences everything in the body.
Dr. Mindy Yeah, so. So just taking minerals, what I hear is not that you can’t just pop a multi mineral that you’ve you find at Walgreens, like you have to like that’s not the answer, that there is there is a system to take in minerals. Is that what I’m hearing you say?
Barton Scott Yes, it’s what I’ve realized, for myself and for all the people we’ve worked with, and upgraded. And wow, I mean, it’s it’s such a profound difference when it starts to click for people, and for some people to click sooner than others, because of the other limiting factors in the body like heavy metals, if someone has a huge toxic load of heavy metals, then that’s a key part that they were working with as well.
Dr. Mindy Yeah, just so we can pull our listeners up to speed. Why do you Why do we even need minerals? I think this is like there’s a massive gap in information on why we would even need minerals. And it’s not until we have a condition that we start to look at that. So what a minerals do in our body.
Barton Scott Yeah, so we really need minerals, because minerals activate all the enzymatic pathways in the body, all of them and, and it’s been said that without minerals, vitamins are useless because of that reason, because they activate those enzymatic pathways. What I’ve found when, when fasting, is that I can fast nearly without paying, if I have knowledge of the minerals, I’m low, and then I’m supporting my glands. So I’m supporting my thyroid function supporting my adrenals and being able to do extended fast, there’s just so much easier that way. And they’re not going fast. Yeah, that’s that’s been something I’ve learned as I’ve done some some pretty long, fast. Yeah.
Dr. Mindy Is it easy? Is it easier because you’re not hungry? Or you just don’t have as many symptoms?
Barton Scott I think it’s easier because I folk it, I focus better. And also Yes, the hunger, there’s is a part of it. But the, I would say the easiest part is is just you’re keeping your adrenals nourished. So you’re you’re getting, you’re getting more momentum, you know, because I did a I don’t think you and I talked about this before, but I done a 11 day fast in part because I wanted to heal an injury that I had, like I was running and I had a partial pull on my hamstring. So I wanted the you know, the free stem cells that come out day four, day five to healing, healing, healing, and, and it worked, it worked and I could have gone longer, but I thought Alright, let me try to get at least five days in I felt better and better. So I just kept going and I get to day seven. And just intuitively I felt like my body still wasn’t done cleaning itself. I just kept I kept going either cleaning or healing and is how I sort of came through for me and so I just I just let it keep going. And that worked. I dropped quite a bit of body fat and I you know, just taking our minerals throughout the process and supporting the adrenals with thyroid, some others in general around blood sugar and keeping that stabilize taking our magnesium to keep the adrenals cortisol from spiking and kind of like pushing you towards solving that, that through food or worse. Yeah. All right. So yeah,
Dr. Mindy I healed Achilles tendon injury with a five day water fast. I tried everything. And I was fine. Like, I’m just gonna fast and see what happens. And it was gone, like never came back never had a problem again. It was crazy how the body heals like that is insane. So, right. Yeah, what what minerals are you seeing are the most deficient in people.
Barton Scott There’s, you know, there’s the common ones that we hear about like magnesium and potassium, potassium is probably the highest 98%. But also iodine is way, way up there. And in the manganese, a lot of people think, magnesium, I know you, you know, probably a lot of your audience knows, or has heard of manganese, but most people aren’t really clear on what it does. And, you know, it’s key for actually building the structures of in our minds and our brains of memory, like for creating those neural pathways, as well, as you know, phosphorus is as well, although that one’s that one’s in pretty good supply for people that eat enough protein, particularly from animal sources. That’s, that’s where you find your best sources of phosphorus. What else what else those are, those are some big ones, for sure. And then then it just depends on the person’s biochemical makeup at this time, right? Based on what they’ve been eating, what their lifestyle is, have, they just recently run, you know, or been training for a half marathon marathon or some race are working really hard, or just going through a lot of life stress, all these all these different things, right can increase our burn rate of minerals, maybe they’ve taken, you know, focus medication that’s really depleted on the body, like we talked about, so Adderall, modafinil, vyvanse, any of these things can really be be difficult. And the interesting thing is that these these deficiencies, and you know, they they really start to lead to personality over time. Yeah, because they lead to habit almost immediately. And then habit becomes personality. So, yeah, it’s super interesting. A lot of I think there’s a lot in relationships as well, around around that. And then the intersection of that with hormones. It’s all very fascinating.
Dr. Mindy What do you think the biggest deplete are outside of our soils? You talked about working out medications? Like is there one thing, the soil issue is huge. And as a as the human race, we’ve got to solve that we’ve got to go back to regenerative agriculture, it’s ridiculous. So but outside of that, we that’s a long term problem, we’re gonna have to solve as a collective group of people. But what can we do on an individual level? Like, if we know we’re on Adderall? If we know we’re an extreme, you know, running a marathon? Like, are there certain activities that you’re like, these are the top five things that are going to deplete your mineral stores?
Barton Scott Sure. Yeah. Definitely working out what caused this and what what made me have to jump into this as a chemical engineer, and nutritionists later on was, I had accumulated so many deficiencies from being a wrestler, I played other sports like football and, you know, you sweat a lot in those sports to track and track. But with wrestling, you know, you’re you’re, you’re minimizing what you’re eating, you’re maximizing your output. And of course, that just that’s a recipe for hypothyroidism, just self induced. That’s a recipe for nutrient deficiencies, because there’s no way you’re, you’re going to recoup that, you know, roughly 5000 milligrams of potassium every day, that’s, that we still need. And that is a huge struggle to get anyway. So I would say extreme exertion. This is why which really leads to you know, the reason why you’ll see an athlete get sick, and you’re like, wow, they’re like, 22 I don’t understand like how they would they’re like 22 they’re ripped. They have no body fat, they’re young. Yeah, they’re just all the thing and and yet, they’ll get sick. This is why this is why it’s because we’re we’re just, you know, the same nutrient deficiency pattern as someone in their 80s that’s unhealthy. I mean, they’re healthy eight year olds, the don’t have nutrient deficiency like that. So that’s one and then quite literally the other really in my experiences either drugs or medication. And I put those in pretty similar category because they’re so similar. You know, vyvanse is, is similar to I mean, it’s methamphetamine, so is Adderall. And you know, we get, it’s pretty, it’s incredibly easy to get prescribed those things. And that was, that was one thing that I say all the time is the worst nutritional mistake I’ve ever made. So I want people to know that and, and understand they have a very clear path to fixing their focus. I think anxiety, you know, goes hand in hand with that lack of focus. And anxiety increases that burn rate when we’re just sitting at our desk, where what I say off is we’re redlining at her desk, right? A lot of people are, they’re like, redlining about the email, or the thing they need to do or any number of things. So they have this background anxiety, which leads to a lack of focus, then they, they feel like they’re out of options. So instead of either working with minerals and testing, and then you know, nootropics, that are, you know, herbs that are so much more conducive to long term health than a medication that’s going to push you really, really hard to, you know, jack up your cortisol or to, you know, just work on so many different systems in the body in a really intense way. So those, and then, you know, I put alcohol in that same category, too much coffee in that same category. So like, a little bit fine. A lot, obviously, super depleted, those are the things that come up first. And then you know, I would say stress is a, you know, attached to all of those as well. So,
Dr. Mindy it like that’s, I feel like that’s like, the whole human race. I mean, you’ve got like, people stressed you’re not, they’re not eating the right, they’re not getting minerals in their food anymore because of the monocropping. And for those of you guys listening, if you’re not familiar with that, go watch the documentary kiss the ground. It’s a great example of what’s going on in our farming system. We’ve got, you know, people sweating a lot, especially some of the athletes, you’ve got people on, I mean, medications, left and right. And so Can everybody just assume they have a mineral deficiency?
Barton Scott Yeah, they really can. Because it’s such a, it’s such a balance, right? It’s such, we’re just constantly using these things. This is what our whole planet is made of, like you’re talking about with regard to regenerative agriculture. You know, it’s what our soil is made up of. It’s that periodic table. And it really, it really surprises me that it’s not more common, like what I’m teaching around hair testing the depth of the things you can learn from it, like adrenal and thyroid function, and metabolism and hormones and all sorts of stuff. And, and that, that we somehow I don’t know, we somehow think that or we don’t think about it, but we somehow think for lack of a better phrase that we can get by without testing this periodic table that we’re made of.
Dr. Mindy Yeah, yeah. It’s the fundamental principles like all last year, I walked around thinking, God, if we just got everybody amped up on vitamin D, we would everybody’s immune system would be stronger, we’d be out of this situation. And what I’m hearing from you is I’m like, especially when we dive into anxiety and depression, like if we just had everybody understand their mineral balance like that. Those are big symptoms. And we haven’t even talked yet about thyroid and adrenal but that’s a those are big issues that are killing people’s lifestyle. Yet something as simple as a mineral is not being talked about. Why do you think that is? Is that lack of education?
Barton Scott It’s, I guess, so I get I think because minerals aren’t. They don’t give you the same effect that drinking a cup of coffee does? Hmm. Yeah. So it doesn’t keep us coming back to it. Right. They’re not they’re not chemically addictive. They’re chemically needed. But if it had any of the properties of tobacco or alcohol or or coffee, then we’d be all over it. I’m sure.
Dr. Mindy Gotta be addicted. It’s got to have an addictive point to it.
Barton Scott Yeah. Some sort of major hook. Yeah. And I think that’s why Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever said that before. But that is that is true. And that is why I think people love our magnesium is because they take it and it’s you. They really feel it, they sleep better. Oh, yeah. Why? You know, all of our minerals have, have a, you know, our key technology that I developed back in 2016. After realizing most minerals do not absorb and I was losing my short my memory my short term memory and having a bunch of issues with brain fog and God it was just I mean it’s miserable. It’s frightening it was Yeah, it was terrifying as well easily the the worst period of my life and losing someone that I cared about watching your health go downhill watching surgery after surgery and knowing that there had to be some other way because medications seem to make it worse, worse. She had organs removed like thymus gland removed and just watching this. This is this is my mother and she’d gone from very vivacious one of the most intelligent people I’ve ever known, could like sit with anyone in the world and have a you know, in depth conversation, to just a lackluster life. And I I just remember feeling heartbroken, not only for me, but for her. And for all the people that she impacted and thinking this is so clearly not working. And she had great access to all like, you know, all the best, quote unquote, modern health care. With its drugs and pharmaceuticals, I remember thinking, and I was born to older parents, I knew a lot of this would would probably come up at some point early in my life for most people. And so I think from an early age, I was always thinking about longevity. I was thinking about anti aging, I was thinking about for my own self just knowing I wanted to really contribute to the world and very powerful clear way. Didn’t know what that look like yet. But I knew I just felt like I was just going to have mission after mission in life. That’s why we donate to charity water, a portion of all proceeds go to them. I mean, we need to get we need to fix the soil like you talked about. We need to get everyone clean water and like drill some pretty sustainable water wells. teach people in community how to do it. I mean, it’s very cost effective there. Anyway, I could go Yeah,
Dr. Mindy amen. I yeah, I hear you on that. And I every day, the more I research, the more heartbroken I am that the human body’s not thriving in this modern world. And there are so many things like depression, anxiety, thyroid, adrenal fatigue, weight loss resistant hormone imbalance, I mean, you go on and on and on. And people are not aware that what we’re living in the food, we’re eating the water, we’re drinking the stress, we’re under the you know, we could name a bazillion things is depleting us of just naturally feeling good. And then we have a healthcare system, where we go and we try to medicate those symptoms, which causes more depletion. And it just breaks my heart, we have to change this paradigm. The paradigm is not working. So I’m 100% with you on that. I love that you guys like get back to charity and that you’re on a mission that that is incredible.
Barton Scott Yeah, I love the idea of being able to colonize other planets, we should.
Dr. Mindy You should talk to my husband, my husband and son are ready to go to Mars.
Barton Scott Yeah, I get it. Like it’s a big dream. That’s beautiful. It’s just like when we went to the moon, it’s inspiring. And if I feel like we should certainly solve the problems here first. Yeah. I mean, we can work on both, I suppose at the same time. Wow. I mean, yeah. Anyway,
Dr. Mindy I talked to a guy, Dr. Mayer, emran. May mayor, he wrote a gut immune connection. And he said, if we’re going to go to Mars, we’ve got to take some bacteria with us. We can’t just we’re going to need to bring the microbiome with us as well. So and we’ve destroyed the microbiome here on everything. So I thought that was a funny slant. So talk to me, talk to me about magnesium. So I just want to just so our listeners know. I mean, I took you gave me We met at a seminar a couple months ago, you gave me a bottle of the magnesium. I’m always looking for sleep as a menopausal woman. I you know, I used to sleep great at that. 31 at 51. I really have to have a lot of hacks to make sure that I sleep well. I took that magnesium not really knowing what I was doing. I just was like, Okay, let me take two before I go to bed. I woke up the next morning and my whoop, was registering It was like I had the recovery was insane. It was like almost 100% my HRV had gone up. So then I’m like, okay, maybe I just had a restful night. So I repeated it through the whole bottle like and that I had the same result. And then I ran out of the bottle and my HRV went down my recovery went down what the heck happened explain to me why magnesium helps so much with sleep and and HRV which is really important measurement.
Barton Scott Yeah, so such good questions. It helps with sleep because it’s converting into melatonin. It’s one of the key constituents of melatonin, right? So that helps us rest and really get in there and get that deep restorative sleep. So yeah, I’ll track mine on my aura ring. And I love it when people say what you just said, and they send me screenshots of, of their tracking device, just your friends and other friends and whatnot. So and it’s just so many people were like, oh, if I could just fix sleep, I’d be so sad. And that’s, that’s why the HRV improves, is just because we’re really rested. So yeah, so the hearts able deeply relax, and really slow down and get that off rhythm beat that it’s it’s supposed to have. And and, yeah, I mean, we start to turn down inflammation, we start to really flip all the flip many switches in our genes that are really positive, you know, from an epigenetic standpoint, and, you know, it just leads to this positive thing where we wake up, and now we’re focused, more focused, yep, you’re, and then what happens? Well, then we need, then maybe we meditate and we wouldn’t have otherwise or we go for a walk. And we wouldn’t have otherwise either one of those things, or both of those things, lead to more focus, more achievements, more peace of mind more. So it really begins and ends with sleep, I think, for me, so I am, that’s the first product that I worked on and put out that as our brighter absorption method. And that’s why it worked so well. And we bind it with with chloride, so it’s not normal magnesium chloride by any means.
Dr. Mindy It was amazing. And I also loved that I could see it on my whoop, because I always say, you know, is it that I always think is the placebo effect? Did I think I was going to sleep better? So then I slept better. But when you actually, I mean, we’ve been tracking so much on the whoop. And we have people use the aura as well. And it’s just it was proof right? There. It was, it was so cool. So yeah, so glad you shared that. Yeah. And Jessica’s husband, who is an extreme athlete, had any in a he’s in his 30s had the same experience. So, you know, it was he was like coming in with his whip, like, what was that thing that you got at the seminar? Like this thing was incredible. So he’s probably from so much sweating, maybe mineral deficient or magnesium deficient. So yeah.
Barton Scott And then well, the other thing too, that even answer to add to that on why magnesium is so important. Calcium to magnesium is such a key ratio. So when your magnesium is low, your calcium effectively is high. And that leads to just any number of issues, whether it’s thyroid, parathyroid, just hormone issues, stiffness in joints, maybe the calcium channels staying open calcium ion channels staying open too long in the brain, which, you know, can actually be a real issues with people taking too much vitamin D. So I would absolutely I always, here’s what I do without saying Should I, when I take magnesium, or when I take vitamin D, I take it with magnesium, because vitamin D causes calcium absorption. And then we want that ratio, one of the more important ratios in the body of calcium to magnesium to be ideal.
Dr. Mindy So talk to me about thyroid, because this is another one and I’ll and I want to talk about thyroid and iodine specifically, because I’ve heard a lot of mixed reviews on iodine. I’ve heard you know, you shouldn’t take it, you should take it, you got to be careful how you take it. So what is it that we need is that the key nutrient for thyroid function is iodine? And yeah, how would we know we’re deficient in it? How do we know how much to take?
Barton Scott It’s a great question. To take those kind of piece by piece. Iodine is recommended daily allowance, in my opinion, is incredibly low, at 150 micrograms. I say that in part, because after looking at the diet in Japan quite a bit. I found that like for every every mineral and also the macros that they’re eating, so they’re their way, if we could swap health with any other developed country, we would want to do that both health longevity, for sure. I mean, they’re there. Yeah, they’re so far ahead of us right, then that’s interesting. Yeah. So longevity, health, all these different things. And, you know, some of that’s mindset and culture and things, but a lot of it is diet, a lot of is diet, and they’re consuming about 100 times more iodine per day than we are interesting. So I’m not saying that that’s the only thing because it obviously isn’t the only thing, of course, and it’s really important, and there’s just no way you can run your thyroid off 150 micrograms a day, even if someone has heart motos, you know, you still need your thyroid to function, for obvious reasons. So I’m, I’ll just address that straight out of the gate, my opinion from looking at everything I’ve seen is that you still need iodine, because you still want that gland producing hormones now, is it going to produce hormones without the key minerals that it needs? No, it’s not. And to the extent it doesn’t have those key minerals, it will not produce, it will it will ratchet down its production. So there’s a lot there. Iodine is keen, I created something a couple of years ago called peak thyroid pdea. And that is a blend of four minerals the thyroid really needs in addition to those four minerals, manganese, sorry, yeah, manganese and magnesium, or both. I was going to say magnesium first, but they’re both key know from either the conversion of the hormones from inactive to active, or the signaling throughout the HPA axis. So there’s, there’s a lot there. You know, there’s not unfortunately, iodine is it’s such a small amount in the body. And just its its chemical properties are such that it’s, it’s an it’s not possible to test for accurately currently, to try to test for it in here and view and granted, you can still buy a test board with blood. But will it be accurate? No. There’s no accuracy to any way to test right on currently. Unfortunately,
Dr. Mindy there isn’t. Can I get iodine through salt?
Barton Scott No, it’s not enough of a dose. So idi salts not great. That’s, I’m so glad you asked that, right. Because it’s it’s you know, looking at like nine milligrams per like a huge, huge dose of salt that, yeah, so that, and then those, that’s only going to be really found through through salt that’s had iodine added to it. You of course get trace minerals in your either, you know, I like Hawaiian salt, or Celtic salt, Himalayan salt, though, you’ll get new trace minerals in there. But when you look at, like the diets that either you or I are, like, from a macro perspective, are coaching people with you know, they’re, they’re great. And overall, I really believe they are, they’re fantastic. And they’re low, those foods, those foods are low, and I mean, are they’re completely deficient in iodine, which is typically the case. And part of that soil boy, part of that is just those foods have very low iodine levels, Japan has so much more because they’re eating some sea vegetables. And things think there is some of those sea vegetables have moderate to high levels of heavy metals.
Dr. Mindy I was just gonna say thallium. I mean, we test heavy metals a lot. And thallium comes out in everybody. And when I researched it, you know, nuclear fallout in water, and we’ve got an issue so I my daughter is obsessed with seaweed. She’s always been obsessed with it. And I’ve wondered is if there was like a deficiency that she’s had, that she’s been trying to get it and, and, you know, on one hand, you’re like, Well, see we That’s awesome. You should let her you know, eat it. And then I think I don’t know where it comes from. It’s like that’s sort of a scary path to try to get it from seaweed, I would think,
Barton Scott right, I’ve heard the kelp is better. But for just some reason, like, where it’s grown, how it’s grown, how it’s harvested something like that. But the specific there I don’t remember but this is a reason why we put a fairly large dose in our iodine. That it just and it’s one of our few products that has a really neutral taste like all of our products. Oh, yeah. Yeah. minerals and water. Yeah. They’re, yeah, they’re they’re not as tasty as coffee. That’s
Dr. Mindy Yeah. Well, I noticed the magnesium was kind of salty, a little tablets when I took them, but I like that. I mean, I’m a salt lover. But I was like, there’s something different here. Why do these tastes salty? There’s got I mean, I’ve taken magnesium for a long time. There’s something different here because none of none of the other ones I’ve taken have tasted salty. So you know now in talking to you, I hear that there’s a thoroughness and how you put your formulas together. That is why so many people are seeing such great results with it. So would it be fair, would it be fair to say that anybody who has a thyroid problem has an iodine to fix shouldn’t say
Barton Scott aye? Aye. Aye. I would say so yes, I would, I would say unless they have an overactive thyroid, of course, where they’re, you know, producing too many hormones. I think even, quote unquote, hyperactive thyroid is is typically intermittent with low and high. Right. So it’s spitting and sputtering. So there may be, you know, a ratio there that’s really out of whack. So some of the the key minerals that we have, that have found that are key for thyroid, that couldn’t be thyroid, or zinc and copper, as well as selenium, as well as iodine. And then for people that want even more iodine, they can take our iodine supplement, we put a little bit in our upgraded memory supplement as well. I mean, it’s key for brain function. So everyone, I would say, even someone that is hyperthyroid, you still want them to have, you know, like the minimal amount, like 300 micrograms is what we put in an upgraded memory. I worked on that for a couple of years. It’s been out for about a year and a half now. And they would Yeah, I would say that, that, you know, you want to baseline of that. And then you want to adjust the other minerals in your body to smooth out your overproduction of that hormone. So, you know, you know, you probably also want to strengthen your adrenals and provide the key minerals that support adrenals. So yeah, those are those are different things.
Dr. Mindy Can you overdo minerals? Like, you know, this is a question we get with vitamin D a lot. They’re like, can you overdo it? And my answer usually is you can but the chat we’re so vitamin D deficient. That let’s let’s start by just getting you in a normal range. And then there’s a point at which you can stop the supplementation Do you feel like it’s the same with minerals? Like, it’s really hard to overdo because we’ve we’re so deficient?
Barton Scott It’s such a such a great question. So there are certain minerals that you that are easier to overdo than others. So like soon we’ll have our depending on when the stairs are upgraded, iron will be out and people can be deficient in that. But it’s it’s easier to to recover. Sometimes, you know, a, a iron deficiency than it is to recover. You know, either iodine deficiency that can take a long time. But you’ll notice that you’ll you’ll have cold hands and feet. For example, if you have iodine deficiency or have other symptoms of load, low thyroid and, and those symptoms will start to go away. You’ll become like if you if you just cringe at the thought of an ice bath or jumping in cold water. Then you might have you probably have iodine deficiency.
Dr. Mindy Yep, that’s, that’s me. I am that’s the one biohack I’m like, gosh, do it, I should do it. But I cringe.
Barton Scott It’s It’s tough. I mean, it really is right. And I was that way to a couple years ago for me it took it took somewhere between nine and 11 months of me dosing iodine pretty heavily, I was doing our dose, which is five milligrams a day, of course, it’s a dropper. So people, if they want just a really small amount, they can also do that, right, and then they can start off maybe higher, they can drop back down, they can just do sort of into it, that part with their with their hypothyroid symptoms if they even if and this is for for anyone that is you know, not necessarily diagnosed hypothyroid because it’s kind of difficult to be diagnosed hypothyroid if you go to a traditional well, because you know, the range because that range was based on what unhealthy unhealthy population? Yes.
Dr. Mindy Well said and such a good point, you know, they’re only looking at TSH, and it’s a baseline of a lot of unhealthy people. So that is such a such a good point. What about fatigue? If that’s something, what are the minerals we’re missing, a lot of people are dealing with, with just extreme fatigue. And when I say fatigue, it’s like not just getting enough energy throughout the day. But what about like when you work out and you’re just like struggling to do a normal workout that you didn’t struggle with before?
Barton Scott Oh, god, this is such a good question. Okay. So, most most people are going to need these for right and they’re and again my whole issue was I was taking the minerals intuitively When I had all the brain focus, just the brain fog, the focus issues, all these things. So absorptions key. So the the That being said, so like, magnesium again, potassium again for sure. And then salt and phosphorus. Those those are the four that come to mind first, and then it just depends on someone’s levels like maybe their zinc as well. So their, their testosterone their progesterone, or female is regulated in the body but zinc that’s supported. You know, just it’s interesting. There’s a key connection there, right and like, so few people know this. It’s so key. It’s so key. So I love you and I could teach a masterclass on this sometime. Because I people need to notice, yeah, I can go on and on about all of these things in depth. But zinc is key for that part, the balance between that and copper. We could talk about that later if you want as it relates to hormones, but your potassium for muscle contraction and adrenal support magnesium for the muscles that need to relax the nervous system that needs to relax. So you can recover after that workout even between sets drop in the parasympathetic phosphorus is something I think about a lot. Our I actually put out a large dose manganese supplement to because so that RTA is so low and I’ve seen everyone be deficient in it or not everyone but like, I can’t say everyone but almost everyone yeah low in it. manganese helps with recovery. So like recovery after workout so like your your I think triathlete friend or something you were mentioning. Yeah, I think is a guy. So he. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So yeah, like anyone like that recovering, bouncing back from a workout and feeling. Okay, so I worked out yesterday, I’m ready to go again today. That’s key. Magnesium is key for that to phosphorus as well, just because it’s going to help the utilization of protein. For that, that’s why it’s typically found in high protein foods. So nature is smart in that way. So smart. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that’s an okay. So I want to go back to what you said about hormones and think so did I say salt? Yeah. You said sodium. So sodium, people tell me Well, isn’t sodium gonna raise my blood pressure, like they’re scared to do sodium, help us help us re relook at sodium? Because we have been brainwashed to think that sodium is the enemy. Why is sodium needed. So
Barton Scott sodium is needed because our heart sits in the bath of potassium and magnesium and sodium. And for it to relax, it needs magnesium for it to contract it needs those that chemical reaction. And the the hypertension studies were done a long time ago. And there’s there’s some evidence to show that it was funded, because companies that were in the sugar, sugar industry realized that when you ate less salt, you crave sugar more, which is horrible and disgusting. And true.
Dr. Mindy That’s interesting. So a salt. If you eat less salt, you crave more sugar. Yeah, so I love salt. And I don’t crave sugar. And I’m curious if that’s why,
Barton Scott yeah, definitely, if you suddenly went to, what even a couple days without salt at all, in your diet, or a week, even, you would, you would start to think about either, you know, you eat a healthy, a really healthy diet to maybe be fruits like, Oh, I really want those blueberries, I really want those, whatever it is. But yes, there’s a big connection. And then, you know, people there. We’ve also seen that throughout throughout time, people the best are people like throughout geography, time cultures, so temperature changes, climate change, different climates is really what I’m trying to say. You know, they they fared best on somewhere around 4000 milligrams of sodium a day. But they also weren’t living in a super high fat high paced world. And maybe they weren’t all. I mean, in some cases, they were definitely intermittent fasting, right, but right, and they weren’t necessarily ideal, but that I think of that as a minimum. And that is, you know, in terms of, of hypertension, you’re more likely to cause strain on your kidneys, which, from an energy standpoint, one thing I always think about after studying chemical engineering is systems of things together, I think of delivering back systems and that’s probably why I took minerals and figured out a way to get them to better absorb in the body is, you know, it typically our problems that we have that we call problems throughout our life or society is either poor delivery, poor absorption, so delivery mechanisms, or it’s just some efficiency. So in the case of our, you know, if if our kidneys are trying or having to work overtime, in the case they do when we have too little salt, they actually have to work harder to balance fluids in the body. Because it it balances interstitial fluids and cells, right. And, yeah, it’s just really, really fascinating because knowing knowing what I know now, about salt excretion, the body, our kidneys, can, like the average set of kidneys can pump out over three pounds of salt per day, 3.2 pounds per salt per day. And yet, we’re concerned that 5000 milligrams might be too much, right? It isn’t. It’s also self regulating. I mean, you you love salt, right? Have you ever eaten more salt when you’re tired of salt when your tongue was like, Oh,
Dr. Mindy no, no, you’re Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, yeah. And my blood pressure has never been an issue. But you know what, hopefully, just so our audience knows, they have now proven that that’s more of a sugar issue. That’s more of a bad fat issue. It’s not a salt issue. But we still have doctors that are still looking at their patients and saying your blood pressure’s high get off salt. That’s, that is like an old school theory that that doctor needs to get repattern on. So and they need to get up to speed. Let’s go back. I want to make sure I don’t miss this. Because this was really interesting what you said about zinc, being a precursor to progesterone and testosterone. So where my brain went on that is, you know, I have this real strong philosophy that women over 40 need to start making changes to their lifestyle, because the ovaries are starting to wind down. progesterone and testosterone are two hormones that are that are pretty going to go down pretty quickly for women, and they’re going to miss them. So could we should we get every woman over 40 supplementing with zinc, so that we can get those hormones to the best they can be? I mean, they’re never going back to the level they were at 30. But could will we maximize their testosterone and progesterone production?
Barton Scott I want to say straight away, yes, just with the caveat that we test levels, and we understand that you know where their copper is. So maybe they they took a bunch of iron supplementation when they actually needed copper. That being said, zinc is so key, yes, I would want women supplementing, especially around that age, supplementing zing, because it will help decisiveness. There’s such a clear link, this is really fun. So I know, you told me that a lot of couples listen to the show. And something that you find in relationships is that there’s this balance between zinc and copper. And copper is, can be thought of because it regulates estrogen is very feminine. And think as very, as a good masculine element. It’s like, so it’s, and it’s for both or for men and women where we we both need both. And and let’s say you have too much copper, well, male or female, you’ll have this ungrounded Miss, and taking more zinc balance that and we’ll get into why what we can also talk about why the opposite can not there can be issues and you want to test but if you have too much copper, you get really creative, but it’s hard to follow through on things. So there’s ungrafted, right? And that’s like pretty feminine. And then with no masculine. With this balance, yeah, with zinc. Zinc is thought to be, you know, guiding sort of gathering in terms of like bringing together things. So it’s very helps with decisiveness, it helps with being analytical. So if you have a very analytical job, and you suddenly start consuming lots of foods that are high in copper, which you know, people can search a list of that online really quickly. But you know, some of them are, are foods that we think of as being incredibly good. Now soil may or may not have them so the the particular exact foods that you’re putting in your mouth and depending on where they’re grown, whether or not they’re organic, they may or may not have As much of these, you should still obviously can, you know, consider eating organic all the time, if possible, because we want to get rid of all the junk and pesticides and whatnot, it’s obvious, right? But the That being said, the soil may still be depleted. So, so understanding your levels there. And understanding this, this balance is really key. So for example, let’s say we have a woman that is very high in zinc. And she’s in a relationship with a man that’s really starting to eat, maybe supplementing copper in through multivitamins or through, you know, taking standalone minerals, or eating a lot of copper rich foods like avocado, cacau, things like that. Dark chocolate, so things like that. So you start to see a lack of polarity in the relationship, and therefore lack of attraction, because they’re interesting. Yeah. Isn’t that fascinating? See, so this one talking about this? Yeah, so
Dr. Mindy we should talk about it more, because I have him that’ll be a whole nother episode. I have a theory that marriages relationships start to fall apart as a woman is when she goes over 40. And the reason for that is her hormones are going off. And when her hormones go off, she her personality changes. Now, if the woman understood, like, I have spent so much time understanding my hormones, that I’m able to articulate to my husband, like, hey, my progesterone is low right now. I’m just feeling a little anxious. This is what’s going on. And so it’s really been helpful in the relationship. And if the man understood as well, what was going on, then he could end up being or you know, any partner could end up saying, like, Oh, I get, you’re behaving like this because there’s a deficiency. Now, you’ve got me thinking, we could take it one step deeper, we could say, well, you have a mineral deficiency, I have a mineral deficiency, instead, I mean, think about how many relationships fall apart because of a lack of congruency. And what if it’s a hormonal and mineral deficiency that’s creating that lack of concurrency?
Barton Scott Exactly. I mean, we’re elemental. I’ll just emphasize that one more time for people like to really let that sink in. We are elemental. So is it important to test the elements in our makeup? Nice. Yeah, I believe. So. I love
Dr. Mindy this. And, again, we should do a whole thing on minerals around cycle and compatibility. So we’ll bring you back for that. And we can we can geek out on that. Let me finish up with a couple of things. One, how do people find you? How do they find the minerals? And you have a very a discount code for my audience, which I appreciate.
Barton Scott Yeah, yeah, they can. Yeah, you guys can use code pals. p l z, right at checkout for 15% off anything in your first order. Thank you. And just for being a listener of the show, and listening this long listening,
Dr. Mindy you made it this long. Yeah, you know, you get a discount. So thank you. 15% off is very generous.
Barton Scott Yeah, and the the website is upgraded formulas calm, so upgraded with an ed and formulas fo r m u LS, with an S on the end. You can you can find this on YouTube, I think forward slash upgraded formulas, just search that and it will come up and and we put out some some good videos there.
Dr. Mindy Well include all the links in the notes so people have it. I have five five rapid fire questions for you. What book or books have you read that have changed your life that you just were like, this was a game changer. My life was never the same again.
Barton Scott Oh, my God, the value chain II a au and ditching that was a great one. I remember reading that like on a train outside of like, from Prague to Munich, and just having so many epiphanies. The one thing was kind of like a business book, also a mindset book. straightline leadership was a mindset book business book, just that was just filled with like truth and like, kind of hard truths. Really. Just got all the chemical engineering stuff.
Dr. Mindy I was gonna say you’re gonna give like
Barton Scott some some scientific but if you really want to know, there was like this in that book of thermodynamics and fluid mechanics. That was amazing. But then you also have to have like, a minor in math to understand a lot of approachable ones. Awesome ones I love poetry by Rumi Are you
Dr. Mindy Oh, yeah, me. Yeah.
Barton Scott He’s great. And then got Hafez ha, if the Bible says just yeah, poetry, and this is calming, this is also health stuff too, right? Because anytime you calm your nervous system, maybe you wind down and you start your day with something soothing, that reminds you that, hey, everything’s going to be okay. And the more you start to trust yourself, like, the lower your burn rate is on nutrients.
Dr. Mindy I love it. What I just learned from all those books is you’re a deep thinker. You’re a philosopher, that’s a Yeah, and we’re gonna create at the end of this season, we’re going to create a massive book list of all of our guests and like what they’ve done, sir, the books they’ve recommended, okay, if you could go back to your 20 year old self and give him any advice. What would you say to him? Oh, my
Barton Scott God. two things. One, don’t ever take vyvanse or Adderall. No matter even if a lot of people you know, are doing it. Even if you feel like needed, drink, even coffee or tea would be better nootropics would be better. And that if one relationship doesn’t work out, then another will just trust that the right ones coming. You’re learning lessons along the way.
Dr. Mindy I love it. I love it. And okay, for our male audience, what are some of your like favorite hacks, whether for life or for health that you think are like unique to men that that men should be implementing?
Barton Scott Sure. So we have both a men’s hormone health bundle that I just that’s my first thought or My mind goes first, I can think of other things too. We also by the way, we have a women’s hormone health bundle, too. But you know that the upgraded memory is key. For men. It’s good for both men and women. But it’s really, really key for men. All of those elements help memory they also are synonymous with balanced hormones, particularly testosterone, estrogen, I mean, estrogen, progesterone, things like that. Other things from men. God, there’s a great book that I read was incredible. It’s the the masculine in relationship is the best book on relationships from a male standpoint, like healthy masculine. That’s still an anchor lighthouse in the world. Love it. Yeah, that book is incredible. I think any. I feel like anyone could read it. And really appreciate the point of view. It’s just written. Yeah,
Dr. Mindy it’s great. I love it. Like I said, we’re big book fans. So okay, what’s your I know your big bio hacker. So outside of minerals, what’s your favorite bio hacking tool?
Barton Scott Oh, I really like hyperbaric oxygen in the tube. If, if you can do that, they just feel so lit up after Yep, I like cold water before bed not super cold. So I’ll jump in Barton Springs here where I live. And
Dr. Mindy Barton Springs and your name is Martin Scott.
Barton Scott bedding, I literally can walk there from here. And, and hop in. So I’ll do that maybe two hours before bed. Let my body kind of, you know modulae and get some really deep sleep. And then meditation. I do. Certainly every morning, a lot of times twice a day, in the evening to sort of Enjoy your evening post work. Is there just a great reset us like more? more thankful you realize you achieve more than you thought you did? Things like that?
Dr. Mindy Yeah, yeah, I just spoke at the International hyperbaric Association, their conference, and I talked about how we can time hyperbaric to hormones. I’m obsessed with timing everything to hormones. Now. That’s why I want to I want to chat with you offline about minerals. But anyways, just the stories of healing with hyperbaric is unbelievable. So yeah, last question. If you had one message for the world that you could get in everybody’s brain, what would that message be?
Barton Scott test? don’t guess for sure. By testing, it improves your intuition. And then I’d say as a bonus, just just know that other people’s actions aren’t a reflection of you.