“Your happiness and enjoyment of the food is nearly as important as the food itself.”
Dr. Yoshi Ram is a board-certified osteopathic family physician with expertise in integrative and holistic medicine. On this episode, he dives deep into the world of supplements, demystifying the complexities of choosing the right form—be it tablets, capsules, IVs, or suppositories.
Dr. Yoshi also shares his profound insights on how supplements can enhance a healthy lifestyle, but not replace it, emphasizing essential, cost-free habits to adopt before considering supplementation. He and Dr. Mindy also explore the transformative EBOO ozone therapy and Methylene Blue treatment, highlighting their incredible benefits. Whether you’re a health professional or someone seeking better wellness solutions, this episode offers a masterclass in supplements and integrative health practices.
In this podcast, Supplements in Modern Medicine: Blending Nutrients & Technology, you’ll learn:
- How living in a toxic world impacts detoxification pathways (and how to fix this!)
- How EBOO therapy can benefit your mitochondrial function and energy levels
- Why supplements like methylene blue can be beneficial for long-haul COVID symptoms
- The drawbacks of overusing supplements and the need for a more personalized approach to supplementation
Personalized Approach to Supplementation
Dr. Yoshi’s approach emphasizes the importance of supplementing a healthy lifestyle, highlighting that supplements should complement, not replace, a balanced lifestyle explaining, “…you can’t supplement your way to good health if your lifestyle is trash.” When you take a more personalized approach and better understand the body’s intricate systems, you realize how supplements truly support your unique needs day to day.
EBOO Ozone Therapy & Methylene Blue
You’ve probably heard me talk more recently about EBOO therapy, especially with some of the people I’ve been working with on their health journeys, like LeAnn Rimes and Lisa Bilyeu. In this episode, Dr. Yoshi will walk you through the process of EBOO along with its benefits to our mitochondrial function and energy levels, and even the potential benefits in addressing various health challenges, including long-haul COVID-19 symptoms.
Empowering You in Your Healing Journey
Dr. Yoshi’s approach to testing in making informed decisions about supplementation is a testament to the importance of empowering individuals to become their own healers and fostering awareness in the healing process. He explains that the more we can get people to become aware of that supplement or aware before they take a bite of food, our healing potential is truly unlimited. Tune into this episode and discover how Dr. Yoshi’s approach can help you make educated decisions for your health and well-being.
Mindy Pelz
On this episode of The Resetter podcast, I bring you one of my favorite doctors Dr. Yoshi Rahm. So, a little bit about Dr. Yoshi here in a moment. But those of you who have been following my podcast for some time, you have heard me talk about this miraculous IV treatment called E bill. And if you listen to the episode with LeAnn Rimes, we talked about how deeply Eboo helped her on her healing journey. And I’ve been sending many of the patients I work with to Dr. Yoshi, and the results have been incredible. So my original intention was to bring him on to share with you all what Eboo is. And since that invitation, I asked him what he felt about just doing a general podcast on supplements. And he was game and I think this is one of the best episodes that I have ever done on supplementation because supplements are confusing, right? Like, how do you know if you’re getting a clean supplement? How do you know should you take a capsule or a tablet? Or how do you know do you do a suppository a spray an IV, like if you’re like me even confused as to what is the best supplementation path for you? Or in my case, what is the best one for my patients? And I know we have a lot of doctors that listen to this podcast, you are about to get a masterclass on supplements. And Dr. Yoshi has such a beautiful way around explaining he has such a huge heart. And he and I really both agree that supplements should supplement a healthy lifestyle. You can’t supplement your way to good health. If your lifestyle is trash. We talk about that. And he even took it a step further and said make sure you are doing these things in your lifestyle. All of them he said are free before you supplement. And then we go into how do you navigate a tablet a capsule an IV, a suppository. How do you know how to find a supplement that is right for you. And then of course, we finish up the discussion the back half of the discussion on Eboo ozone therapy and methylene blue. It is such a comprehensive discussion on supplementation that I really really hope is going to help you make an educated decision for you. Let me give you a little bit of a simple explanation of who Dr. Yoshi is. He is a board certified osteopathic family physician with a separate board certification in integrative and holistic medicine. What I find really fascinating about him is that he grew up in a small town in northern California. He grew up without electricity, a TV, a phone. I mean, he’s my age is so this is a pretty unique upbringing. But from that he really appreciated the simple things that give us health like the Sun and the Earth and human connection. So he has a clinic in Glendale, California. Those of you that are looking for an integrative doctor to go to this is my go to. So this is the one I recommend you call you see. He also has an online presence and a course that he teaches online that he talks about in this episode at Dr. yoshy.com. So it is with great pleasure and a full heart that I bring you an incredible conversation on healing and supplementation with Dr. Yoshi Rahm,
enjoy. Welcome to the Resetter Podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again, if you have a passion for learning, if you’re looking to be in control of your health and take your power back. This is the podcast for you.
Yeah, let me start Dr. Yoshi by welcoming you to the resetter podcast. Thank you for joining me here.
Dr. Yoshi
Thank you so much. I’m just super honored to be with you now for everyone else.
Mindy Pelz
Dr. Yoshi’s clinic is called Oasis family medicine. And this is the Eboo master. We have been talking about Eboo on this podcast, so I have to start off by thanking you for that because that has been EBO has been a game changer game changer for so many people. So appreciate that you are offering that. Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
it’s a it’s an exciting modality for sure. It’s not the whole picture, but it is a potential game changer when there’s a nice baseline to hold it up. Yeah,
Mindy Pelz
agreed agreed. You know, integrative medicine has changed dramatically in the last 10 years and are appreciate Even for things like supplements and IVs have dramatically changed. So one of the criticisms that I see with integrative medicine and one of the criticisms not just from other doctors, but also from patients, is the overuse of supplementation. And I think the supplement world is a wild wild west world. And I personally, I don’t know, I’ve never told you, I don’t think I ever told you this, that there was a time period, I thought, I can’t find a good supplement, I’m going to create my own supplement. And so I started to search for for products that I can blend together that were free of heavy metals that hadn’t had been sprayed with pesticides that were food based, they weren’t synthetic. And that was really hard to find. And I finally at that moment was like, Oh, that’s not my field, the only way I would go into the supplement business would be if I could create it from scratch, where I was actually growing the ingredients. So So I understand how dirty supplements can be, I understand how people use supplements, and they don’t know why they’re just using them. And I also know that people can spend a lot of money on IV drip same way and still have no formula or ethos in which to use those supplements. So how about ice we start off with Where do you see supplements in somebody’s healing journey?
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, especially in this world that we’re in, like you alluded to. And there’s been a few studies, and I’m gonna get the percentages off a little bit here. But like, how many have over the counter nutraceuticals slash supplements actually have as much of the ingredients in them as they say, or don’t even? And then how many are just completely adulterated. And it’s somewhere like 30 to 40%, depending on which source you’re looking at, of over the counter nutraceuticals have that issue. So a, it’s like, be really careful once you do to find a good quality source. And then when
Mindy Pelz
but wait, before you move on to that. Yeah. How do you find that good quality source? Because I’ve had a lot of people ask me that.
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, there are these kind of these Doctor product lines. And there’s a number of them now I think one of the first ones was metagenics. Right. And there’s pure encapsulations. And there’s the designs for health and zymogen ‘s, and there’s a lot of other ones now as well, a lot of good quality ones. And so you just really want to get tapped into that world. There are a lot of choices now. But if you’re just talking about going to Vons, or Rite Aid or something, and picking up the over the counter or buying on Amazon, you know, that you run into the risk of getting those adulterated products. Yeah.
Mindy Pelz
And by and just so we fill everybody in by Dr. Products, you mean you can only have a doctor’s license to buy it. And and they’re those brands are the brands that typically are better than what you can get on Amazon, or like you said in the Senate,
Dr. Yoshi
because they’re putting that extra, like they cost a little bit more, but they’re using that extra cost, right to put the efforts into getting cleaner products. So true, which at the end of the day, that’s like, if you’re gonna pay for something, you got to have it be quality.
Mindy Pelz
That’s right. Yeah, that’s right. And
Dr. Yoshi
then the other thing is, you know, I used to see people come in to me to begin with, you know, and they, they would literally bring in their bag of medications with 1015 20 medications. And then, you know, for a while I got into the trap of okay, here’s your 1015 20 supplement bottle, yes. Oh, my God. Like I’ve, I’m guilty of that over time period. Now, I’ve gone away from that, because I don’t want to it’s like supplements can still be a band aid approach. They can still cover up a deeper lying issue. Yeah. Now we also live in a severely toxic world. Yes. And our detoxification pathways are not what they need to be usually to live in the world that we live in. We don’t live in cavewoman times where the earth was pristine. And we’re chemical free. We’re I mean, you walk out site, well, you walk inside your house, and it’s like you’re bombarded by 1000s of chemicals in the air, same when you walk outside, right. And so it’s like every breath we take, we are taking in toxins. And so I do believe that there is a space for nutraceuticals and supplements and vitamins and herbs. The question is, how do we how do we tailor that? How do we make it a really personalized experience so that you’re taking maybe the top one or two or three? Or you know, depending where you are at in life? I mean, if you’re if you’re pretty healthy, maybe it’s only one or two Two or three, if you’re going through a situation, there might be a time period where we have you on more products to begin with, but the goal should be to get off of those products. Use the lifestyle, right, like, getting, I mean, you know, as well as anybody about proper food, right? Timing, quality quantity, the awareness around it. Yeah. And then you just kind of go through this sleeping, the moving right? The, the photobiomodulation, right. There’s all these devices out there. We’ll walk outside, there’s this thing in the sky that glows. That is our that is our photo bio modulation device. Yes, right? Yes,
Mindy Pelz
it even goes red. It even goes red in the morning. And it goes red at night. Right?
Dr. Yoshi
When right when we need it, right? That’s amazing. And then it’s like EMF, we’re bombarded by these EMF will go outside, take your shoes off and ground, right? electrical discharge, within seconds, like immediately, right? breathing the air right below our nose, it’s free. And there’s different ways of breathing to affect different changes, whether you’re going for more of a sympathetic parasympathetic oxygen or co2, right? That’s a whole podcast in and of itself. And then you get into connection and community and spirituality, and yet something grander and just awareness. Like having awareness. So few people have awareness, but it’s like when you eat something, right, your your state of awareness, your happiness levels, like that’s just as important as far as I can tell, as what you’re eating. And so there’s so much there.
Mindy Pelz
Yeah, I’m so happy to say that because that is one thing that I’ve been sort of I call it an elevation of the conversation I’ve been having with my following about food has been, we put so much effort into am I eating the right food? Did I get the right macro? You know, and it’s like, become diet, the diet culture is so rigid, but nobody ever says like, who am I eating with? Am I am I sitting in a relaxed state and eating like the environment matters as much as as actual foods. So I’m so happy you brought that up. And I also want to point out, I love that we’re starting this discussion with some simple things you can do that, you know, when you look at supplements, I see people that are like not sleeping, they’re not getting outside, they’re not getting, they’re not walking, they’re not grounding, there’s so many things that are not doing and then they’re spending 1000s of dollars on supplements, hoping that supplement is going to bring them back into balance. So I love what you just ran through because that was a beautiful explanation of are you doing those things first, and then now the supplement may have a chance of actually helping heal you.
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah. So true.
Mindy Pelz
So okay, so if you are already got your lifestyle dialed in, like where do you go from there? Like, are there certain supplements that you’re like, Hey, these are musts, for everybody.
Dr. Yoshi
You know, I’m gonna diverge a little bit from what most of my colleagues might say, like, most are gonna say, your omegas your vitamin D. I think you ought to test those levels first. Oh, okay. I really do like objective data, speaks volumes. Otherwise, it’s just a blanket statement. And so there’s all these you go on YouTube and Instagram, and there’s, there’s these like, here’s my hair. I’m a famous person with my top list of supplements. And it’s like, those are really good as a general advice, right? But again, how do we how do we tailor how do we personalize? And that’s where objective data beats wins every time? Because I’ll tell you when I was swimming outside, three days a week for like, a few years. My vitamin D without supplementation got up to 98 Oh, wow. Now that is, I mean, like, holy cow. I don’t even like when people supplement with vitamin D for to be up at 98 What’s the upper end?
Mindy Pelz
You’d want? For
Dr. Yoshi
me? I like vitamin D levels. If someone’s supplementing to be like 40 to 60 unless we’re in a cancer situation or a really severe autoimmune situation. Should I have been taking vitamin D at the time? Absolutely not. Right? There’s too much of anything is toxic. Yeah, that goes for oxygen. It goes for water. I mean, you drink 10 gallons of water right now or even just a gallon like that. And you’re gonna get some real imbalances. And so everything is a poison, or a medicine in and it all depends on dosing. And same with omegas. I do see some people who actually just through diet have beautiful Omega levels. So why are you going to go out and take supplements spend that money swallowed the big horse pill? Right? So yeah, I really it’s it for me. It’s objective data.
Mindy Pelz
So the Omega thing is really interesting. And you and I haven’t discussed this, but it’s a good discussion to have. Yeah, I, there’s a balance. There’s Omega three, six and nine balance that needs to happen. And one of the things I’ve heard some omega fatty acid experts say is that if you are eating a diet that has brought the harmful Omega six dash sixes down, so this is like your standard Western, you know, Western American diet, if you’re not eating those harmful oils, where your omega six is really, really high, then supplementing with an Omega three, if you have a clean diet by itself. Yeah, exactly. Tips, the 369 scale. Yeah, so all the studies ever done on omega three fatty acids, how important they are, are only really that beneficial if you’re eating a toxic diet. But once you clean that up, you need a supplement that’s Omega 369. Balance, not omega three by itself.
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, exactly. I mean, it’s, it’s, we can look at these levels in isolation and say, Okay, here’s a reference range. Oh, here’s the functional medicine reference range. Yeah, it’s also about ratios, as you just stated, so completely agree
Mindy Pelz
completely I used to in my clinic, the first thing I did is take everybody off their omega threes, because I was like, we’re gonna change your diet, we’re gonna work on getting that down naturally. And now if you’re mega dosing omega threes, we’ve thrown the whole system off, that was like, literally the first thing I took away. So yeah, I
Dr. Yoshi
love it. That’s, that’s how I think like, I want to establish a baseline and objective baseline of where someone’s really at, and then go through the lifestyle modifications, and then kind of get a new baseline. Right. And it’s not about making everything perfect. Like, we live busy, hectic, chaotic lives. I mean, you can’t get an A plus in every lifestyle category, right? Or very few people can. It’s not realistic to expect that. But it’s like, okay, what are the levers that can make the most difference? And let’s try to get B’s, B pluses in all categories, and then a few A’s and maybe even an A plus or two in each in a couple of categories, and then get the new baseline, and then you can supplement, right?
Mindy Pelz
Is there a test you like? That is an accurate test? Because I’ve, I’ve had a lot of people say, Well, this, the tests are not accurate. So I used Metabolomix for a while. So I don’t know if there’s a test that you like that will give you a good reading. So
Dr. Yoshi
interesting, like the dead Aidan pace of aging. That’s an interesting test out there. As like a one marker. Where are you? How fast are you aging? At what rate? Are you aging at? Are you rate aging at 10? months for every calendar year? Are you aging at 14 months for every calendar year? But that doesn’t give you like, Oh, you’re low on this or high on this or toxic on that? Right? And so that’s where there are a lot of tests coming out. I holo, like they they test hundreds of these biomarkers. And the Metabolomix. Like I like that test. I think there’s, you know, hormone testing, right? It’s like, there’s different labs have different capabilities. And when one lab starts testing everything, their accuracy might not be totally true.
Mindy Pelz
Right? And that is a really interesting way to look,
Dr. Yoshi
you’re gonna test urine, are you going to test blood? Are you going to test saliva? How accurate are all these things? And this is like, I don’t know, is the answer because I’m like, literally learning that every week. I learned something else right about how to test better. And so I think it’s just do the best we know how right now, knowing that something better is going to come along and try to stay abreast of what’s better. Yeah,
Mindy Pelz
I love that. And that gives you some wiggle room because I used to always say like, I’d get so excited about one functional test and then I’d roll it out to my patients and then something else would come around and I’d be like, Oh no, this is better when you start to like look like you’re contradicting yourself but like you said something new is coming out all the time. So what what’s the difference? So I get my lifestyle base down. I’m testing so that I know what supplements I might need off my current situation. What do we know is the difference between like a capsule a suppository. Spray up your nose in your eyes?
I like our friend. Lawrence likes to do like he’ll go for every orifice. Yes. Like, you know is and then there’s IV, is there a difference in all of those ways of getting these nutrients into you? Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
boy, that’s those are rabbit holes, a rabbit hole down orifice hole. So supplements when you take something orally, it’s the question is you might be putting the right thing in your mouth. The question is, how are you absorbing it? How are you absorbing it? And so that goes for food too, you might be eating the most pristine food. But how much of it? Are you absorbing? Is the question? How’s your stomach acid? How’s your gut microbiome? Right? Yep. And so in someone who is like, I’ll kind of just segue really quickly into the IVs. Because in someone who their gut is not optimized yet, like there’s a huge kind of hole that could be at least temporarily filled with doing IVs, right? Because when you put something in an IV, it’s straight into the blood. And it’s like 100 person or nearly 100%, bioavailable right away. Versus when you put something a capsule or a tablet in your mouth, you just don’t know how much of that is being absorbed. All right. I mean, there’s some crummy crappy quality pills that like, actually come out in some people stool, right. And that’s says a lot about the the lack of good digestion, maybe also a little bit about about the quality of the tablet, as well. But those are or what I was gonna say, also, when somebody’s detoxification pathways need to be amped up. That’s another great space for the IVs. Find. Yeah, or just in general, when somebody is kind of going through an acute issue, or a more severe chronic issue, would
Mindy Pelz
you say then, if you’re like the average, you know, you’re listening to this podcast, and you’re really trying to make smart supplement decisions that it may be as simple and I know there’s a lot each, I want to simplify the healing process. And I know that’s very difficult thing to do. But if I know I’ve been on rounds of antibiotics, if I know, I’ve been on birth control for decades, if I bloat every time, I eat vegetables, and I don’t have a bowel movement every day, I have like some real clear signs that my digestion is off, then maybe the door no pun intended for me with supplements would be a suppository. Or maybe it would be an IV like can people make an educated decision just by looking at their history of what might have happened in their microbiome to discover decide that?
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, absolutely. And also part of that is, it’s like this vicious cycle. And so if you can get a really quality nutrients into your system, easily, then it can kind of help cut that cycle. And then it makes healing even easier to all of those symptoms that you just described. And when you do a suppository rectally or vaginally like that mucosa that that skin it’s skin on the inside of our bodies, that mucosa absorbs nutrients exquisitely. Yes. And so. And that’s really the truth of any orifice. It just tends to absorb. It’s like a transdermal absorption and it absorbs very well. And almost always if it’s something that will dissolve it, it’s actually better absorbed than something taken orally. Right now something right,
Mindy Pelz
so oral would be your last choice. Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
yeah, me too. Again, depending on the situation, I don’t want to over generalize. But
Mindy Pelz
I’ve really come to that conclusion too. And I’ve been taking like supplements since I was a kid when I was in my house growing up so we had electricity. I love that you did have electricity. But I was also raised by a health freak. And who didn’t bring any sugar into the house. We didn’t have any plastics like there was she my mom was like a warrior there. And every morning we would get to the breakfast table. And there was a customized pack of supplements at each one of our spots at the at the at the table. And so I was just part of supplements for just what I took my whole life. And I’ve come to a place now where I am and I’m like I prefer a suppository. I prefer a spray or I prefer an IV. I still take the other supplements but that would I feel the most immediate difference with those things. And they’re easier to do than to remember to keep taking supplements all day. Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
I agreed. And you know, there is some patient education some people don’t want to do it those ways, right? And so there’s like okay, let’s, there’s some education that needs to be had around that. But I think it’s a huge opportunity for people to really get that get what they need to the source, right source to where they need it. Yeah,
Mindy Pelz
with IVs something, you know, we see this huge IV culture like, I feel like we’ve gone from really resisting IVs. Or you only could get an IV if you went to a doctor like you. And now we have franchises. You know, all over the country here in America, we have a worldwide audience. And I mean, even in Europe, it’s easy to get IVs like, it is so easy to get an IV. So one of my questions is, is what do we need to know about IVs? You know, I have I, when I look at an IV, I see a plastic bag. And I wonder, is there plastic in that? I also wonder, when you’re forcing that much that many nutrients into your body that quickly, can your body absorb it, like, literally when I go and get an IV outside of your guy’s place? If I go get a mother where other places I’m like, give me the kitchen sink? Like put everything in it? And then and then there’s this little voice in the back of my head that’s like, but wait, can your body can the innate intelligence of the body handle all this that you’re shoving in? So is what are some things we need to know about IV so we can make smart choices? Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
I think it’s it’s a, you know, for a while a like, we do a lot of cool, different sort of IVs in our office. So I would not shut down or IVs. But our IV room but for a while I kind of considered like a my, my doing people’s service. Am I giving them expensive? urine? Yes. Right. Right. Like that’s, that was a huge question of mine. And yet, when it was, so first of all, a lot of places do offer just watered down IVs. Like, it’s mostly just water with like, a little bit of this, and a little bit of that, because ingredients cost a lot. And so most franchise, IV places really are just watered down. Now, they’re still made. I’m not like bad mouthing, there’s still a place for that. But you do want to go somewhere where they like are going to put enough in because when somebody is sick, acutely sick, like getting large doses, turns people around, I mean, you have somebody you know who has gone through something that looks like the flu, or COVID, or whatever kind of infectious disease you want to call it, you can come in and get a get an IV, and they walk out feeling so much better. Well, that says something. And I mean, this is not like a placebo effect, you can sometimes it’s a placebo effect, but you can tell like people are coming in like that, yeah, they walk out feeling better. Or we’ll have people go through like a series of ozone, who are just having these chronic autoimmune flare ups. And it’s like, they walk out and they do better, their objective, their biomarkers, their blood tests are better. And so it’s like, we know, we know for a fact that these IVs are doing something and that there is a place. One thing I wish we did I wish people knew more about doing IVs like pre surgery and post surgery. Like that’s a huge, I wish that’s another that’s one of those areas where I wish all surgery centers would just give patients like IVs afterwards. So all of our patients that always has family medicine, like I’m encouraging them to do one or two before surgery just to like, plump, plump themselves up, even if they’re peeing out the excess. It’s like, at least fill up those those holes, those deficiencies. So smile, because it’s going to make that surgery which is a trauma, physical trauma, even though it’s maybe necessary at times, it’s still a physical trauma. And so if we can, like, get that body ready to able to better handle that trauma, great. And then after they’ve had the trauma, like when our bodies are under stress, we use up nutrients a lot quicker. We use up our magnesium quicker, we use up our B vitamins quicker. And so it’s after this surgery where people really do so they heal so much better if they do maybe save three IVs I mean, it could be more maybe it’s less depending on the severity of the surgery, but people who do IVs who have come into our office and do a series of IVs after a surgery, they then they come back and their surgeons always say oh wow, you’re healing really quickly. Again, that tells you something like it’s not just expensive urine right
Mindy Pelz
is there just in general for post surgery and pre surgery you just like get everything the the main all the minerals all the vitamins
Dr. Yoshi
the kitchen sink, the minerals and the vitamins right yeah, yeah Kitchen Sink Yeah, cuz I’m not there’s not time to like test get the objective data. Right. I just put in the ones that are needed, right. We want we just want to throw the that’s the time to throw the kitchen sink at someone. Yeah, there
Mindy Pelz
was something you said that made me think this is a really interesting point when When we take a look at whether it’s a capsule, a suppository, and IV, I always tell people, you should notice a difference when you take a supplement. If you don’t notice a difference, like more energy, you know, even if it’s a negative thing, you should notice some thing that indicates to you, you just took that supplement. And if you don’t, there’s a large chance that you might not need that supplement, whether it’s an IV or a capsule with so would you agree with that?
Dr. Yoshi
Almost always, like as a categorical statement, I would absolutely agree with that. Because in so many patients, they want a protocol. The protocol, just tell me the protocol, and I’m like, try this. And you know, become aware. Yes. Like, your body will tell
Mindy Pelz
ya like chap it like, you. Okay, you bring up a really good point. Like, I think that’s left over from the medication world, you know, think about what happens when you walk into a doctor’s office. And they say you have XY and Z and you go great, you know what I have? What should I do, and they say, here’s the medication you should take. And so we just take the prescription we go, we take the medication, but we’ve outsourced the healing process to the doctor into the medication. So we have no internal guidance to tell us, you know, if that was the right thing for us, we just cross our fingers that our symptoms go away. But what you’re saying is take it and then check in. Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
and you touch on a huge thing there that you just mentioned, it’s like, do what the doctor says the doctor is God. mentality. And, you know, I’m a doctor, I’ve went through a lot of schooling, I’ve done a lot of conferences paid a lot of money to go to these conferences and to learn and I know a lot, but my job is to be a teacher, and to help someone weigh the pros and the cons. And honestly, like, I feel like I think of myself more as a healer. And with that, I think comes with hopefully teaching the person to become their own healer. Yeah. And that awareness is everything, the more we can get people to become aware of that supplement or aware before they take a bite of food, or aware before they go to sleep, or that first thought when they wake up is actual awareness. I mean, our healing potential is exquisite. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And so to take away some of that, like, I mean, a doctor, all the doctors I know have gone into it for the right reason. Yes, right, right. But we’re taught that we know best, right? That 30 day prescription with 11 refills, come see me in a year, and then I’m gonna read write it again at plus 11 refills, right. And that’s, that’s not the way to heal.
Mindy Pelz
I had a mentor once to tell me that your goal is to educate the patients so much that they no longer need you. Yes. And I always kept that in my mind I still in everything I do even in my online world is how do you keep empowering people and empowering people to heal themselves, so they don’t need you? I think that that is a complete flip on the system that is like, you need me, because I have the best education, I have a tool that only certain people can prescribe for you. Like it’s it’s a it’s a total flip on that,
Dr. Yoshi
you know, and there’s a lot of information coming at us these days, like information, there’s no shortage of information, right. And so I think where I’ll just speak for myself, where I’m able to help my patients is like, I’ve listened to so much information, I’ve learned so much information and so I can help I am best equipped to help that person kind of distill what is good for them. But again, ultimately, it’s like how do we teach them to become aware so that they can become exactly what you just said, there are healers
Mindy Pelz
there and I and I think that’s the kind of conversation people can go into when they’re looking for doctors like you who have clinics. So you know, I think it’s a good thing that like, is this person teaching me or is this person just handing me supplements even in the natural world like handing me supplements or handing me medications. So let’s I want to move to because I want to leave plenty of time for my new favorite line, which is I want to go through Eboo and I want to go through methylene blue and then a little bit into ozone and and just a little backstory so that people understand why I’m so excited about EBO is that for years I did supplements that help detox I mean my clinic, like half of the clinic what we’re doing is detox and detox is not pretty always but the end results is pretty phenomenal and we did specifically heavy metal detoxing. So one of the ways that I found Dr. Yoshi was I was blessed to work with LeAnn Rimes. And she’s come on my podcast twice now and explained the most recent talked about EBO. And we put her through all the supplements, I put her through all the heavy metal supplements. And it was okay, it worked it but it was rough. And that was hard for somebody who’s touring to the degree she’s touring. She also had her Epstein Barr Virus had just kicked in. And fatigue was huge. So I told her, Hey, how about we try this thing called the bill. And it has been a game changer like that. And methylene blue, just total game changer for her health. So with that in mind, help us understand. And I know every time I come into your office, I’m like, tell me again, what this is doing. Because everybody I send to you all, even the most difficult cases start to improve. And it’s phenomenal. So what is EBO?
Dr. Yoshi
All right, so first of all, the people you are sending to us are doing so much first. That’s right. Yeah. So I don’t want to put out like to people, oh, if you’re not doing the things, or at least working on the things, don’t come, just do EBO for the heck of it. If you’re a biohacker, if you’re like healthy and just want to kind of the anti aging effects, like yeah, come do it. But if you’re going through a health situation, make sure you’re doing the things Make sure you’re working with someone, whether it’s us or you or some other health kind of provider, just to make sure you’re doing those things. And then Eboo can come into the discussion. So that’s why it’s been so effective for your, for the people you’ve sent to us. And I think before I get to Eboo, I’ll kind of touch on ozone because for sure, stepwise fashion, ozone is a lot of people know the ozone layer ozone to measure smog. That’s kind of like saying a fire man is bad, because they’re always at the fire. Ozone is there to actually mop up the smog. And ozone. Let me make clear we do not have a deficiency of ozone in our body. So this is something that we can add and use as a therapeutic modality when the time is right. Now, always with everything, it’s like what are the potential pros what are the potential cons and with ozone when done? Well, like there’s very little potential cons, it’s all potential pros. And that’s why it’s such this exquisite therapy that’s been around for half a century, but kind of more in Europe and hasn’t really made its way over into the US until maybe the last 1020 years, much more so. And you can go all the way from things that are very mildly ozone therapy, kind of like ozonated olive oil right topically for something you can do some limb bagging with ozone for ulcers that are not healing or infections of the skin that are not healing you can do ozone in the ears, which is great for ear infections. I mean, ticks are great for sinus issues. You can do rectal ozone, or vaginal ozone. And then it’s kind of stepwise up the ladder you can do IV ozone like ma H major auto chemotherapy, where you take out a little bit of blood, put it in a bag, squirt a little ozone in that bag, mix it up, and it drips back into you. And that’s a fantastic therapy. Ma H is what that’s called for short. And then there’s 10 paths ozone and 10 paths is a little bit more intense, a great therapy. But then there’s a step above that is or I considered a step above that is Eboo, which stands for extracorporeal. That means outside of the body, oxygenation and ozone nation. And I consider this I call it the creme de la creme of ozone therapy. And it has this ability well before I talk about ozone I just kind of ozone in general i It does a lot of things in the body, but I like to think of it doing three things. One, it lowers unnecessary or undesirable inflammation. And then two it modulates the immune system. So if someone’s a little bit hyper immune, autoimmune, it can kind of lower it. And if someone doesn’t have enough immune system, it kind of bumps it up. And then number three, it creates energy, ie ATP in the mitochondria. So it creates energy, literally in energy in our body at the cellular level. And those are kind of the three pillars that I generally think of ozone doing in the body. And so the question becomes in the right situation, how can we get a really good dose in a really gentle way? And that’s what It Eboo does. And it’s, we’re taking blood through an IV out of one arm and back into another and it goes through this filter. So you can see your blood outside of the body. And but then crossing that blood while the blood goes up, the ozone comes in the opposite direction, and through that filter. And there’s like hundreds of these little straws in there with each of those straws if you picture them being perforated, so each straw has hundreds of little holes in it. And if you spread that all out on a flat surface, it would be like this blood kind of gently rushing over that surface, while the ozone comes on the underside, and comes in contact through all of those holes. And so you get this massive surface area of blood that’s constantly just being gently ozonated. And so that’s how we do it. That’s kind of the process. And yeah, where to go from there. What
Mindy Pelz
do you Yeah, no, no, you add, like I was, you were it was like, You read me a bedtime story.
Dr. Yoshi
It’s like to nerd out.
Mindy Pelz
This is what happens when you’re like, a lover of the human body. So just so everybody knows, you literally have two IVs, one on one arm, one on the other blood is being pulled out. And then it’s being recycled and put back in the room where I got excited about it. And I know, this is a question everybody wants to know, which is when it’s going through this filter, what toxins are being pulled out, because where, you know, after doing heavy metal detox, and so and mold, detoxes and gut detoxes for so long, I was pretty excited when people were saying, you know, a couple sessions of this, and you are really getting rid of a huge toxic load. Now, I also know you and I have talked, you know quite a bit about this, that you know that we can’t make claims that it does heavy metals, we are strongly convinced that it pulls out pathogens. So I you know the science better than me, but do we have any idea what it’s pulling out?
Dr. Yoshi
So in the beginning, you came on the scene in the US, like four ish years ago, we have done by the way we’ve done? I feel like we’re coming up probably on 2000 of them. So probably done more than anywhere else in the country. I believe I could be wrong, totally fine, if I’m wrong on that. But we’ve done a lot. And in the beginning, it was kind of like, oh, there’s tons of toxins coming out of the body. Because when that blood, so what you’re talking about is there’s this like container, end up with fluid and foam at the end. And that’s like, that’s toxins right there. And in the beginning, that was the belief. And then I started to kind of question that because I didn’t want to overstate what we were doing or like, I want to be fully transparent. And so for a long time, I was like, I’m not so sure about that. I think so. But I’m not sure. We don’t have the testing. However, over the last year, I would say and especially more recently, there have been people, doctors who have kept those filters open and looked at it under the microscope and found parasites bacteria. So we know that there’s, it’s like the filters like Velcro attracting those. And there’s more evidence that it is definitely pulling out heavy metals. And I’ll just say other toxins. So it is pulling those things out. My question is, and I just I don’t know. And I’ll probably know more at some point in time, I hope. How much is it pulling out? Yeah. And how significant is that? Because we are also because we’re just like this during an emu session. It’s like we’re only covering what’s in the blood. We’re not covering, it’s not like it’s going to suck out everything in the tissues, which is where most of our toxins actually are. There’s no toxins, our body is smart enough to kind of tuck it away so that it’s not in our blood, because it’s trying to protect our brain. We want as few toxins in there as possible. And so that’s part of my question. Now ozone also, like speeds up phase one and phase two of liver detoxification process. So just the ozone itself is actually detoxing, aside from whatever’s whatever’s fields filled out. Yeah. And then we also do, like we do, we give people a little bit of hydrogen beforehand via those tablets. We’re giving humic acids and fulvic acids before them as well. Those are great at binding toxins. And so if we’re, if the ozone is speeding up phase one, phase two of the liver detoxification process and then we’re good humic acids, folic acids to help bind those, it’s going to draw out toxins, right? without the side effects without the unwanted side effects. And then if we’re pulling some out and you know, it’s pulling some out, right, and I am, if you’re doing a series of ebos, it’s going to be pulling more out. Right? So yeah, there’s a lot to unpack there.
Mindy Pelz
Yeah, like, what if you put a methylator? In like, like, if it’s if you’re trying to get to the steckt, toxins and tissues? Could you? Like, do a couple of days of a good methylator? Before? To just kind of push it all out?
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, I would, I would think so. So we do a pre nutrient IV as well. It has the methylated, B, B 12. In there. But I love that just adding in having people take some like tri methyl TMG or betaine choline, like all those meth laters would probably be a very good idea. I have recommended that to some people. But it’s not like our standard protocol. But I love what you’re thinking because it makes sense. Yeah,
Mindy Pelz
just to to get it out. Now, I will tell you in the in the people that I’ve sent you, there’s been a couple patterns that I’ve seen, anything to do with mold seems to work incredibly well, like people who are in a bad mold situation. That is like a game changer. I, you know, Epstein Barr Virus definitely seemed to do something there. And the most recent, which we can talk about a little more afterwards. But she’s been also very public about the work that we’re doing together as Lisa BillyOh. And I think the last time we did Eboo, she had a rough go. But we hit a parasite. And I it came out in her stools. And this was as of information I just learned two days ago. And she described to me what was in our schools, and I’m like, Oh, my God, we hit a parasite, the Eboo is mobilizing parasites, and she has some serious digestive issues. So I do think that there is like, I look at our toxic bucket, I really liked that analogy that you start to get. You’ve got mold, and Candida and lime, and parasites and heavy metals and plastics. And like all these things, and people’s buckets are so high. And when you go to EBO, my feeling and this is the way I explain it is we start to lower the toxic load. We just We just don’t know how, how much we’re lowering it. But there becomes a point when you lowered enough that the body can take over and it can heal itself. And I think that’s why you can get away with like three Eboo sessions, and then you start to see all the other things work so much more efficiently. Is that what you guys are noticing as well? Or am I the is it just in the patients I’ve sent you?
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, no, that’s that’s totally true. We I mean, we’ve had people come from all over the US for the especially for the mold, and and Lyme, for sure. So that that totally fits your experience fits. Yeah.
Mindy Pelz
So talk about methylene blue, because when I get Eboo just so I get methylene blue with it. I know you don’t do that with everybody. But what is meant it’s methylene. Blue by itself is quite a popular IV that everybody’s getting. So talk about that.
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, where to go with that one. That’s that’s a whole podcast, right?
Mindy Pelz
Just so you know, I did do a whole podcast with John on methylene. Blue. Oh, like about a year ago. So if
Dr. Yoshi
people go back and listen to Dr. John Lawrence, about methylene blue, because he’s, he’s brilliant when it comes to methylene blue. So great. Do go back and listen to that and maybe put a link in?
Mindy Pelz
Well, that’s great. I guess I’ll put a link in the notes. Yeah. Because
Dr. Yoshi
methylene blue is just as a little backstory, first drug on patent in the US in like the 19, late 1880s. And so again, kind of like gozone This is not something our body is deficient in. We’re not deficient in methylene blue, however, just like ozone, what are the potential pros versus what are the potential cons and the more I use methylene blue, the more I just like fall in love with it as a something that we can exogenous that we can take to help uplevel our health there is almost like, again, everything in proper dosing. If you’re using proper dosing, there’s almost no ill side effect right from methylene blue. So even though our body is not deficient in it, it is it’s this exquisite medication. And I think of it as a medication, it’s over the counter. It can be done orally, liquid suppositories, IV, right? And methylene blue does a lot of things in the body. However, probably one of the kind of what it does, or what it’s most well known for is it helps the mitochondria and the mitochondria. I’m sure you We’ve talked a lot about mitochondria, but the mitochondria being the energy producers, the ATP producers in each cell, and that’s really our, our currency energetic currency of the body, right. And so anything we can do to help improve the health of the mitochondria is a good thing. And methylene blue, there’s like, there’s what’s called the electron transport chain in the mitochondria. And the electron transport chain, there’s actually multiple areas that can get poisoned, or poisoned by too much toxins. And so every nobody really has like the perfect mitochondria. Nowadays, because we live in the world we live in that toxic world that we live in. And so I read in one PubMed study, there’s like 11, areas in the electron transport chain that can become leaky, or produce the reactive oxygen species, which is the too much is bad, basically creates damage at the cellular level. And the methylene, blue can kind of go in and insert itself in a number of different areas of the electron transport chain and make energy production more efficient. It actually creates, it allows for the body to use oxygen more efficiently. And then it’s actually activated by light, that free photo by a modulation device in the sky. It actually activates. Together, they actually increase energy, ATP in the body. And that’s that’s like, hands down. One of the best things that it does, it does other things, too. And so again, it’s like, why would we do it IV to get it fully absorbed.
Mindy Pelz
Quickly, now that we’ve both Leanne and I have mentioned a brain like and I’ve had other people say this too, there’s sort of a brain brightness that happens when you’re in and now our brain probably, if I come to think of it has a significant amount of mitochondria. So it could just be that you’re getting more ATP in the brain. But there isn’t, you know, I call it I think I told you this last time was in there, like I call it Eboo drunk when I leave, and I get my methylene blue with my Eboo I feel like I’m drunk in all the right ways. Like, just happy, energized focus, like there is just like somebody did something to my body. And what I love about it is it’s like it just enhanced what was already there. So do we have any thing on methylene blue that we would know around like serotonin or dopamine, like, does it change? Any neurotransmitters? Yeah,
Dr. Yoshi
it does it. That’s one of the like, if you go, if someone goes and Google’s like side effects of methylene blue, you might have read about serotonin syndrome, because it does up regulate serotonin, which is why you feel better. However, the way you’ll read is like, oh, methylene blue in too high of doses can be dangerous. Well, the doses that become too dangerous, are crazy high. So just to give an idea, it’s like, over 1000 milligrams in a day, right, consistently, and probably more like 4000 milligrams. Now, different people will recommend different doses. And I recommend all the way from like one milligram for some people, maybe upwards of 100 milligrams for some people in different scenarios. So we’re talking levels that are way, way, way below that, and you’ll read, I’ve searched myself out of curiosity, and you’ll read about, oh, if you’re on a antidepressant medication, beware. Totally not true. You know, partially, I think because so much of why people are on antidepressants is because of a lack of cellular energy. If our brains are not, if our brains don’t have enough ATP, like, I’m going to be foggy, I’m going to be easier to process. I’m going to like our brains. So if you’re, if you can literally light up the brain with enough energy. Oh, I’m going to see things brighter, right, like, metaphorically speaking. So I am not worried. Again, I’ll go back to the very beginning of the methylene blue discussion and the potential downsides outside of doing just crazy crazy high doses are just so minimal. Yeah,
Mindy Pelz
yeah, we’ve come to you know, I’ve come down to like really simple supplements because of doing EB regularly methylene blue regularly the NAD suppositories, like it’s pretty, you know, we’ve dialed in some of these mitochondrial nutrients or or fuel sources that really clean up that system. So yeah, I would, I would agree with everything you just said. I
Dr. Yoshi
have let’s like I think methylene blue like some methylene blue tablets or supplies. It turns out to be in everybody’s emergency kits who I mean, because if you have a heart attack stroke, if you have an infection, like all of those things like it helps I actually had like COVID like symptoms pretty recently. And I just started pounding methylene blue. That was orally, because it wasn’t near the office. And I didn’t feel well enough to go into the office, frankly, for an IV. And I turn that thing around 12 hours of fever, and then I was like, I was good after Yeah, almost almost immediately. And, like, I know, my body, and I don’t get sick too often. But that was like the beginning. Typically, like, historically speaking, that was the beginning of a three to five days where I’m just like, down for the count, right? And yet 12 hours after I started feeling bad, and Natrum just hit me like a semi truck. 12 hours later, I kind of was shocked and like, Am I really feeling this good? Yeah. And it’s, it’s because I was pounding the methylene blue.
Mindy Pelz
Me, you know, I gave my literary agent had COVID. And I said, Here, you gotta order these methylene blue trophies. And she did and two days later, she’s like, I don’t know what those magic blue things are that you just gave me. But like, it’s completely gone. So I really agree with that. Have we seen with long, like long haulers? Have we seen Eboo at all really help with people who had long haul COVID symptoms?
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, just like you were saying, like how it kind of lights you up, which is what it does for me as well. I find after one of those I can go on a run. And it’s just like, I’m I’m flying. It’s like yeah, little wings are helping me along. And so yeah, long haul long haul. COVID. Absolutely. Yeah,
Mindy Pelz
brilliant. Yeah. And I think because that that’s like, I don’t know, are you getting more long haul COVID patients? It seems like a lot of people are talking about it still still.
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it that whole process definitely does a number on many people’s physiology. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And it takes it takes a little bit of it takes a lot of extra special care to, to bring people back up to where they ought to be.
Mindy Pelz
Yeah, yeah. Well, I love this discussion. And I always make sure I make my Eboo appointments when I know you’re there. So you and I can geek out on this stuff. I just I’m like always when you’re around them. Like there’s something in the brain there for me to learn. What can I ask him? What can I ask him? And vice versa? Thank you. Well, it’s and I love when I go in there I get red light on my head. And you guys have like heating packs. I mean, you’re just the whole experience is so great. So
Dr. Yoshi
just today added grounding in. So Oh, grounding cord. So yeah, was maybe another thing come into that. Oh, I love looking at how to like uplevel it a little bit. It’s so
Mindy Pelz
fun. I feel like you could turn me into a superhuman. It’s, it’s amazing. So where do people find you? Before I asked you the last question I just want people to know about you know about your clinic. And yeah, like, brag away, like, let us know how we can we can get people to you.
Dr. Yoshi
Thank you. So probably go to Dr. yoshy.com. That’s Dr. YO shi.com. And there, there’s a link to Oasis Family Medicine, who were you can get Eboo if that’s of interest, and appropriate. And then there’s a little link to the live method, which stands for longevity, and basically vitality. And it’s a little six month program where we go through everything we just talked about. Amazing.
Mindy Pelz
Amazing. Okay, well, this is gonna be a fun question for you. And one that I probably would have just asked you, like in the office, because it’s more complicated than it appears? What is does health mean to you? If somebody was to say, Are you healthy? What is your measurement of health? And how would you describe health?
Dr. Yoshi
Yeah, I love that. So I would, I will take that health and actually ramp it up to vitality, or like that vibrancy, because I think when we talk about health and wellness, it’s definitely better than disease or dis dis ease and hopefully a little bit better than okay, but then the question is like, how do we take that and like really up level? So right, right, right. And so I know if I think of myself, how am I vibrant and that’s when I’m all those things that we talked about at the beginning, right the sleeping well, moving well. eating right, eating well, hydrating. Well, which that each of these are it’s on separate podcast, yeah. Again, the photobiomodulation the Sun, the Earth, the air, the awareness, the connection. The, for me, it’s spirituality, just like the belief of something greater whether that’s, you know, the force or God or magic or whatever that is for someone, but all of those things when I’m doing and focusing and being those things it’s like then I can feel vibrant and and how do I know that I’m on track? It’s if I roll out of bed, and I can move freely, feeling good and feeling vibrant, and I have the body energy, like, Okay, I’m feeling good, like ready to tackle the day with some passion and vibrant in my mind. I love that happy aware grounded that’s how I know that I’m on track. Yeah, and then the extra little piece is get the objective data. Because I don’t want something to sneak up on me where I think I’m like rosy colored glasses but something sneaks up and pulls the rug out from under me so that’s where the objective data can just like take everything I just said and up level it.
Mindy Pelz
That was incredible. Well, thank you Dr. Yoshi, I again I adore you. I love what you’re up to. I love picking your brain Eboo has just been one of those things that it just all the heavy metal detoxing I have done with people. This has been a game changer. So so thank you for being such a master of it. Just keep up the great work and I look forward to years of collaboration with you because what you’re doing and your heart and your vision is just spectacular. So
Dr. Yoshi
back out to you. So thank you appreciate you.
Mindy Pelz
Thank you so much for joining me in today’s episode. I love bringing thoughtful discussions about all things health to you. If you enjoyed it, we’d love to know about it. So please leave us a review, share it with your friends and let me know what your biggest takeaway is.
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// RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
- About EBOO
- Study: EBOO and Peripheral Artery Disease
- Study: Methylene Blue and ATP Reduction
- The Resetter Podcast: Can You Turn Off the Stress Area of Your Brain? with Dr. John A. Lieurance
// MORE ON DR. YOSHI
- Website: dryoshi.com
- YouTube: @YoshiRahmDO
- Instagram: @oasisfamilymedicine
- Facebook: @OasisFamilyMedicine
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