Mouth-Body Connection & Health-Based Dentistry – with Dr. Michelle Jorgensen

Dr. Mindy  0:00  

So I just want to start by welcoming you to the recenter. Podcast. I, I’ve been wanting to have this conversation with you for months. I don’t know who’s your schedule my schedule. I’m just so happy you’re here. So thank you for joining. Well, thank you. This is our third season, third season, God, maybe it’s the fourth time as has become an enigma to me now. And I have yet to do a really good episode on dental health. So for those of you listening, what Dr. Michelle is about to share with you, can be the answer you’ve been looking for with your health. So with that in mind, Michelle, I would love love love for us to start with, why do we need to think about our mouth? I mean, I just have for years have been using toothpaste and floss and doing my thing that my dentist said to do? What piece of information am I missing about how the mouse connects to the rest of my health? You know, that’s a good question. And I like to start with my story. Because just, you’d think that I’d be the first one that would think that, you know, that amount was important that the things that go on here were important. And

Michelle Jorgensen  1:16  

I I’m in a dental family, my dad’s a dentist, so I was just raised in dentistry. I’ve watched him he literally is still practicing in his 70s Now, so he hasn’t had hardly a sick day in his life. And I just thought that that’s how dentistry went, you know, that’s how you did a career, you just went and you loved it, and you worked every single day and you you know, loved every single day. And about eight years into my career, I started to get really sick. And I didn’t know what it was. And it was just so because I was watching my dad never having had anything happen. I didn’t even think that it could be related to my work. So you know, I started looking into gut health issues. And those were some of the big ones I had got health problems. And, you know, I mean, everybody has got health issues anymore. So I Well, there’s a lot of potential causes here, started working on nutrition, and then diet and everything that you know to do already. And it helped some, but some of my big symptoms didn’t really, it didn’t really move the needle for those. And those were memory problems. I’ve always had a really good memory and couldn’t remember anything like I couldn’t remember a patient’s name from room to room. And that was very unlike me. And the other big one is my hands started to go so numb, I actually couldn’t hold my instruments anymore. Oh, wow. So I knew something was seriously drastically wrong. And I went to every doctor, every test MRIs and no answers. Everybody said you’re perfectly healthy. So because they didn’t have any answers, and I didn’t know what I was going to do. I actually had my practice for sale. And, you know, it was my early 30s. And I am the one that my business is our family business. So if that was going to go under and I couldn’t do it anymore, then our entire family income was going to end. And it was a big deal. So I was around trying to find what I was going to do next. I was going to speak or coach or you know, do something that didn’t involve actually hands. And one of the practitioners I was speaking with said, you know, have you looked into Mercury at all? And I hadn’t I like in dental school, what we learned about Mercury is that, yes, the fillings we put in those mercury, those silver fillings, they have mercury in them. But once it’s in your mouth, it’s completely stable. There’s no problem with it at all. And if you talk to anybody about Mercury, and relate it to their health, you’ll lose your license. Wow. So that’s the talk we get in dental school. So I said, Well, no, I haven’t thought of mercury, you know, it’s completely safe. And I don’t have any fillings anyway. And they said, it’s not the fillings you have. It’s the fillings you’ve been drilling out for the last decade with no protection. And I hadn’t given it a second thought because no one in the profession talks about it at all. And now I think what in the world of course, I was three inches from somebody’s head and I was a cosmetic dentist really good at it making teeth teeth look gorgeous. Well, nobody who wants cosmetic dentistry wants black fillings. So I was drilling out tons of black fillings because nobody wants them when they’re looking for, you know, good luck and smiles. Drilling at a ton every single time I would drill it out, it would release all that mercury vapor and it was straightened in my head. So I got tested. And that’s what it was off the charts, mercury toxicity. So all of a sudden, all the symptoms made sense because mercury is a neurotoxin. So it affects your brain, it affects your nerves. It affects your gut because it interferes with the way your gut works. So all of a sudden, everything made sense. And the doctors I found somebody finally who said okay, I can help you with this. But they said, I don’t know how you’re gonna keep doing this because how are you going to keep drilling it out breathing it in and get it out of your body? Right so you’re gonna have to figure this out otherwise you’re really not going to be able to keep being a dentist so I searched far and wide and I

Michelle Jorgensen  5:00  

actually found an organization that had protocol already that they’d created for how to do this safely for the patient. But also, the practitioner had never heard of them before, had no idea about any of this stuff. So I started doing following their protocol for me, just for my own health, not for my patient, not for anybody else. But as I started doing it, I started thinking, wow, well, this is probably good for my patient, too. And this is probably good for my dental assistant who’s sitting right there, too, you know, and, and patients started paying attention, because it’s kind of hard not to when you’re covering you from head to toe, and they’re like,

Dr. Mindy  5:34  

yes. Why input dentist?

Michelle Jorgensen  5:37  

So you know what it looks like? It’s, it’s a little, you know, whoa, well, what are you doing? And so they would start asking questions, and then they’d say, wow, my doctor actually was saying that it was really good if I would go to somebody who did that. So do you want to talk to my doctor? So I would start to talk to doctors, and the doctors would ask me, Well, do you do ozone? I didn’t have a clue what ozone was, do you do this? Do you do that? I didn’t know what they’re even talking about. So the doctors knew these things. But I as a dentist didn’t. So I would go to all these different courses and things very obscure places to learn, and learn the things they had asked me about. So I could say, Yes, I do that now. And all of a sudden, I realized, wow, the mouth has such a part to play in health, I had no idea. Dentists are honestly, typically mechanics, like there’s a hole in something, we clean it up and fill it up. That’s just kind of what a mechanic does. You know, that’s when it’s we’re just mechanically kind of putting things back together again. So they’ll function correctly, without ever thinking that this is very much connected to all of you. So that’s been my journey now.

Dr. Mindy  6:46  

And they still the dental profession. I mean, I think we’re hearing more and more about it, because more and more people are getting symptoms of mercury toxicity. But the dental profession in general, still hasn’t embraced the idea that putting mercury in is harmful, or could potentially be harmful. Is that right?

Michelle Jorgensen  7:04  

Correct. They will not. And they will never because of the society we live in. So in European countries have actually banded in some not all, but some, while the United States they never will. Because if there’s an organization, that American Dental Association, the FDA comes out and says this is dangerous. Every dentist who’s ever placed one will be under a class action lawsuit. Wow. That’s the country we live in. Right? It’s not the dentists fault. It’s not the you know, it’s it’s the world we live in is fault. So they will never do it, they will never say this is dangerous, because it would be too much litigation for every dentist on in the United States.

Dr. Mindy  7:42  

That is crazy. So just for the person listening, because one of the things that I noticed just in helping people regain their health through detox and fasting and all the hormonal stuff, is that so many people are walking around with silver in their in their mouth, and mercury in their mouth, they’ve been told the same thing that you were, you were taught, and so they haven’t connected their chronic health problems to what’s going on in the mouth. So give us just so we don’t before we go on, like, how would I suspect that maybe I’ve got a mercury toxicity from my teeth? What are some of the classic signs, and you mentioned the hand and the memory, but let’s just so we can help people identify it for themselves.

Michelle Jorgensen  8:26  

So Mercury is one of the big three. So I have three, three big ones that I talked about when Mercury is the first one that I started with, because it was my problem. You know, the fillings that that we call silver fillings are 50% Mercury, so we shouldn’t call them silver fillings, because they’re actually only about 15%, silver, and 50% Mercury, so I call them mercury fillings now. But 50% Mercury and Mercury is, well, if you break a thermometer, you’re gonna have to call a hazmat team to actually come and clean it up in your house. So it’s incredibly hazardous. It’s dangerous, particularly to the nervous system. So if somebody’s having brain fog issues, memory issues, things that may hint of dementia or Alzheimer’s or any of those kinds of things. We immediately think mercury, there’s something going on. There’s a really interesting thing that I love to study, source and history. And Mercury was used by hat makers. Back in the 1800s. These young men they were typically in their early 20s would use mercury, rub it on fur, and that’s how they made felt to make felt hats. You know, those were the cool thing that the big felt hats. Well, this is what the term Mad Hatter came from, because those hat makers actually were going insane. They would shake so badly. They couldn’t actually hold a utensil to feed themselves. And they were in their early 20s, early 20 year old men. So doctors at the time figured out Oh, Mercury may be a problem. Yeah, it’s it. Yeah, it’s frying the nervous system of these young men. So this may be a problem. There’s a whole long history and background behind how we still use them. But we’ll leave that for another day. But gotta be have a lot of neurologic symptoms. So nervous problems, numbness, any tremor, that sort of thing very much indicative as well as gut. So Mercury interferes with zinc binding and zinc is the thing that’s a precursor to stomach acid. So if you don’t, you don’t get stomach acid, if you have mercury, you don’t get zinc. So Mercury often will shut down stomach acid production and stomach absorption. So that issues are a big one for mercury,

Dr. Mindy  10:32  

could you test could you get a stool test that shows you have a good balance of of microbes in your gut and still have mercury toxicity in the gut

Michelle Jorgensen  10:41  

100% Because the microbes are, irrespective of mercury. So Mercury, the problem is, is it actually binds the same receptor the zinc does. And zinc is one of the precursors to creating to the cells in the stomach actually creating acid. So you may have a healthy biome, and everything’s going along just fine as far as biome goes. But because mercury binds to that receptor site, you’re not actually able to create the stomach acid you need to absorb. So you know, it’s interesting, because this is another thing I talked about with fluoride oftentimes prompts some of the problems in the mouth or some of the problems with dentistry, mask other problems and make it look like you’re just fine when you’re not because of masking. So this is one of those instances where Mercury, you can have completely fine biome and everything else, but yet your stomach’s still not functioning, and you think, why? What’s going on? You can’t make stomach acid.

Dr. Mindy  11:32  

And wow. And you know, zinc, the other zinc is so important for hormone production, specifically testosterone, but also all of them progesterone, estrogen. So that’s so interesting. You just actually connected some dots for me, that it potentially if somebody’s got mercury in their mouth, and it’s affecting their gut abstracting their zinc levels, yes, it’s stomach acid, but it’s also affecting hormone production. So yeah, that’s, that’s really interesting. What explain a little bit before we move off the topic of mercury, explain, like, what is it when it when we’re chewing the hot the cold? Like, how is it seeping out? Because when I’ve had this discussion with some people, they’re like, No, my doctor said it’s safe. And what I want people to hear is, yes, that’s what the line that dentists have been taught. But then I really want to arm people with information. So they can go back to their dentist and say, Hey, a don’t put mercury in and be this may be a problem. So you know, what? Is it the chewing? Is it the hot is the cold? Is it the filling over time? What is it that causes the causes of the leakage

Michelle Jorgensen  12:39  

all of the above, so mercury will vaporize due to basically pressure, you know, something rubbing against it will create vaporization as well as heat changes. So there is an organization, the one that I found called IA, oh, Mt. And we can put this in the show notes wherever. But on that site, they are, they are very research focused, because they have to be able to defend their positions. So on that site, there’s a Mercury position paper. And if anyone really wants to be armed with information about what’s going on, that’s the place to go because they have something like 157 research articles on there listed that talk about how mercury is released from these fillings. So this is not something that just crazy talk dentists are talking about. This is something that research is, is backing HIPAA, and there’s a video that you can find online that shows the vapors releasing from the tooth. So it’s every time you chew is every time you put the teeth together, which is every time you swallow. So every time you swallow, which is 1000 times a day, it’s if you ever grind your teeth at all, it’s going to release it and then temperature changes. So hot or cold drinks, food, anything that you’re putting in the mouth will also release it. Is it a lot? No, but it’s just a slow and steady over time.

Dr. Mindy  13:54  

Yeah, yeah. And I just want to point out to just again, before we move on to the other I want I’m curious, the other two toxins that you are the big ones. But I who takes your mercury out it what type of dentist is massively important? And I actually had a really interesting scenario with one of my patients where she had heard me talk about mercury toxicity. And so she ended up in her dentist chair and the dentist said, oh, yeah, these are bad. Now we’re realizing that do you want me to take it out? And she was like, of course, take it out. Wasn’t a biological dentist didn’t have the hazmat suit suit on. And within hours of the dental chair. She was going crazy. And she started calling me and she was like, I’m so anxious. I can’t relax. She had the looping OCD thoughts. She’s like, do you think it could be the mercury that the my dentist just took out? And the first question I asked was, did they have a hazmat suit on? Did they do you know, make sure that you weren’t inhaling it? And she’s like, No, I just had it taken out. So I just want to make sure we’re very clear. hear that as you’re listening to Dr. Michelle, that there is a proper dental procedure to taking it out. And is there a way for us to know if our dentist is skilled in that or not? Michelle,

Michelle Jorgensen  15:12  

thank you so much for bringing that up. Because I tell people all the time, it’s actually better to leave it in than to have it taken out improperly. Because the dosage, leaving it in as low dose chronic, the dosage, taking it out as high dose all at once, it’s going to just fry you. So don’t take it out unless you find a dentist that can do it safely. So what is safely mean? Again, on that iomt site, there’s an entire list of protocols called the Smart protocol. They also have a dentist directory or dentist finder, you can go on there and type in your your state your city and see if there’s somebody that smart certified, that is in your area, what you’re going to look for is they are going to have certain attire on and a certain mask, but that’s their protection, you also should have the same, your whole body should be covered, your face should be covered. It’s within like a seeable screen, we don’t want you to you know, to suffocate, so you know that your your face is covered, you should have something on your nose blocking mercury vapors from the nose, you should have a dental dam so that you’re not swallowing the pieces that are coming out. And you should have a giant vacuum that goes right here at the base of the chin, that’s pulling all of the fumes and all of the vapors as they’re being released from the filling, because there’s a lot of mercury released during the removal process. And that’s one of the worst times to get mercury. We also make sure that there’s a detox program that your elimination systems are moving before you do this, and that you have a lot of binders and antioxidants glutathione that you take post removal so that your body can deal with anything that it does get in during that procedure.

Dr. Mindy  16:51  

Yeah, thank you for walking through that. And we will leave your clinics name in the in the notes, I will tell you that I have now come to a point where I’m willing to travel anywhere for the best doctors. And when it comes to dentistry. Yeah, I’ll travel anywhere to make sure that the dentist that I’m seeing is one that knows what they’re doing because of how subtle it may appear the differences between dentist, but your toxic load could really be going up in that dental chair. So thank you. Thank you for pointing that. What are the other two? You You said there were three and Mercury was the main one I just want. I was curious. I’m not quite sure what you’re gonna say

Michelle Jorgensen  17:30  

exactly. Now, the big three that I talked about that a lot of times people don’t know about in dentistry that really does affect your overall health in an enormous way, our Mercury, so any metals as well, metals, were kind of we kind of group it under a whole metal conversation. There are other metals in dentistry that we look at as well. But the second is infections. And most dentists dental infection is actually hidden, it’s hidden, you don’t see it and the symptoms are non existent. You don’t even know what’s happening. And then the third is airway. There’s an enormous epidemic in our world and our nation will the world, not just the nation, of people who just simply aren’t getting enough air for their bodies, the metabolic processes to work correctly, the hormones to work correctly, nothing works well, if you’re not getting enough oxygen. So those are the big two so we can dive into wherever you want to go. Yeah, let’s

Dr. Mindy  18:21  

just so I’m hoping people will just be able to connect some dots for themselves. So hidden infection, there’s no sign symptom is what I just heard. So you can’t really say that you have it. So and I think we call these Is this what you would consider a cavitation. Is that the one of the types? So how would you know? Like, how would you know if you hadn’t hit no infection? Let’s just start with that.

Michelle Jorgensen  18:48  

So some people do know, you know, I see a lot of new patients. And this week, there were two people who said they use the term ghost pain. I have ghost pain on an old root canal one was a woman who had gotten hit in the mouth and she killed the two front teeth. And she said, I just have ghost pain up here. Nobody can explain it. So she did have symptoms, but it wasn’t like oh my gosh, my face is swollen up to the you know the size of a baseball and I can tell I have an abscess tooth. It’s not that it’s often just This doesn’t feel right. You know, it just doesn’t feel good. That’s how people will often describe it. So the two biggies are root canals. And I’ll go through that, and then what you said the word cavitation. And I’ll tell you what I actually call it because it makes it makes more sense Exxon. So root canals are the first one and I talk so much about this because there are 35 million root canals performed in the United States per year. So that means I am talking to 35 million new people every single year about this procedure or hope to you know, educate 35 million people every year about this procedure. It is it is simply done in an iMac advocate for dentistry. I’m an advocate for dentists. I am never one to believe that people are doing things intentionally to harm others. You know, that’s just never been my position. Yeah. So I don’t believe that dentists understand most of this, I didn’t, I’ve performed hundreds of root canals myself before, I didn’t know any differently. Yeah, the problem is a root canal procedure, what it even is, is there’s a nerve canal inside of the tooth, that’s where the nerve and the blood vessels go up through the route up through the tooth, and then back down the other side. That’s how all the nutrients get from you into the tooth because your teeth are alive. And they have roles that need to get out there to keep them strong and healthy. So if a tooth dies, or is dying, because of a big cavity, because it’s broken, you know, something like that, if that nerve is dying inside of the tooth, what happens is they go in and clean that nerve canal out, remove the nerve, remove the blood vessel and seal it up. Now the concept is awesome. Like, it’s really awesome that you can keep the tooth in your mouth, even though it’s dead, you can keep it in your mouth, you can keep smiling with it chewing with it. I mean, that’s great, you know, so much better than losing a tooth. The trouble is, once it’s sealed off, now there’s no blood flow to the tooth, which means there’s no immune system access to the tooth. And there’s teeny little tubes that go off of that main canal, that can’t be cleaned, they can’t be cleaned, they can’t be filled. So there’s always dead tissue left in the tooth, as well as bacteria, because bacteria love dead stuff they do. So you have now these little cesspools, this kind of backed up sewer system inside of the tooth, your immune system can’t get to it, because it’s been sealed off. And they just start to have parties, I tell people all the time, it’s kind of like a frat party going on inside of there. They’re drinking, or they’re dropping their cans, you know, they’re doing all this stuff. And all of the toxins from their partying literally kills the bone. And once it’s left the tooth, it spreads through the rest of you. So research shows that this infection, literally one root canal can lead to heart attacks, strokes, cancer, at rates of I’m talking 6070 80%, huge crazy.

Dr. Mindy  22:20  

I remember when it came out, there was a really interesting study that came out about breast cancer that that your dad and I talked about that what were the statistics on that, because one of the reasons I even got into functional medicine was because of a patient who had breast cancer. And she turned to a three month diagnosis into 10 years doing a lot of things, but we had never, ever discussed teeth. And you know, what’s really interesting is that once I figured out the breast cancer and teeth issue, I actually was able I still had her X rays. And I pulled up her X rays in my office and I was like, oh my god, she had so many root canals and mercury in there. And I was like, Oh, we never talked about that. I wish we had talked about that. So talk about that, that correlation, because that’s one we need to shout from the rooftops.

Michelle Jorgensen  23:12  

You know, and the background that is that the body is there’s there’s basically I like to think of it as wiring, there’s wiring in our body, there’s the nervous system, we all know about that. There’s the blood vessel system, we all know about that. There’s lymphatic system, you talk a lot about that, you know, this is this is just the tubing and wiring that goes in the body. But there’s also an electrical system in the body. That’s how our heart keeps beating. That’s how our brain stays alive. You know, when our electrical system shorts and stops, that’s when we die. So the electrical system also keeps all of the organs functioning. Well, every single tooth is connected on an electrical line to the rest of the organ systems in the body. It’s interesting, because every organ system is actually represented in the mouth. And so

Dr. Mindy  23:59  

yeah, I geek out on those shirts all the time.

Michelle Jorgensen  24:01  

It’s crazy. Yeah, and there’s just so much connection. And so these teeth right here are the ones that are connected to the breast and canines just

Dr. Mindy  24:11  

for people listening right behind them

Michelle Jorgensen  24:13  

the tooth right behind the cane. Okay, right. Those teeth. I have yet to find someone with breast cancer that didn’t have a root canal on those teeth. Yeah, and research shows it’s about 70% or more of people with breast cancer that have root canals right there. So what does it do? Well, the root canal acts like a short and the circuit. So you know how electrical circuits work and if there’s a short something that shorts that will everything on that same circuit will you know will stop working, no electricity will go there. So it shorts the circuit and the body is now not able to keep that area healthy the same way. There’s one but there’s one gentleman I’ll always remember. He walked in and I looked at him and you know how sometimes you look at somebody and you want to say something but you don’t really dare. And after a while I just said you’re orange.

Dr. Mindy  24:59  

You know it

Michelle Jorgensen  25:00  

He said, Well, I know people ask me all the time if I use self tanning cream, and I said, Well, do you? And he said, No, I don’t know why I’m orange. I looked at his X rays. And what I found is he had root canals on all four of these front teeth. He’d gotten hit in like a skiing accident. And when his younger years, these are all liver, liver and gallbladder. They shorten that he was jaundice and had been for years. Wow, because of the shorts on these front teeth that he’d gotten knocked out in an accident when he was young. So I mean, there’s just so much connection. So how do you diagnose it? You know, if you don’t know if you’re an orange, you know,

Dr. Mindy Pelz  25:35  

right.

Michelle Jorgensen  25:38  

It’s with a CT scan. It’s called a cone beam CT scan. Thankfully, we actually have it now. And it is 100% necessary, people will ask me, Well, should I have one? And 100%? I can’t even like there is no person I would say no to because it is so diagnostic, it is a three dimensional object, I can turn you upside down inside out, I can see every little tube on those teeth, I can see if there’s something infected. I can look at the bone, I can see if it’s grown back if it’s dense. If it’s not, no question, you need a cone beam CT scan, and you need one preferably that shows your whole head because there’s all kinds of things I can see. In your whole head. A lot of dentists have one that’s just this size, because they’re using it to to determine whether you need a dental implant. And if you have enough bone to do that, well, I don’t want just this. I want this whole thing?

Dr. Mindy  26:32  

Yeah, one thing I’ve learned about the comb beam is that it just because your dentist has a comb beam doesn’t mean that they’re using it or know how to read it properly. So what would be a question that I would ask my dentist to make sure that they were going to read this right? Because I can tell you I’ve had a comb beam. Because I’ve have one tooth has been pulled that it’s really interesting because it was supposed to be a root canal. This is back in the 90s, the 1990s. It was supposed to be a root canal. And I had a good friend who told me don’t get a root canal. It’s bad for you pull the tooth. So I pulled the tooth, which thank God I did. But I assume there’s probably there’s a cavitation or some kind of infection in there. Did a full comb beam not showed nothing? But then everybody said, Well, maybe the person didn’t read the comb beam. Right? So explain that. How do we help people find a dentist that knows how to take it and read it properly? So we’re getting a good, good read on on infections?

Michelle Jorgensen  27:31  

So the good the first question is, what is the size? Does it show the whole head? And it’s not just a setting on your machine? It’s actually the machine itself? Like some machines do not have the capability of doing more than just your mouth? So you need to find out? Can you take a scan of the whole head? That’s the first question. And then the next question is, are you able to diagnose failed root canals? Are you looking for areas in the bone that didn’t heal properly? Are you looking for airway issues, you know, and they’ll just kind of go? Then that means no. So there are dentists that can do this virtually. And this is something I do a lot for patients all over the world. Actually. They’ll get a CT scan taken elsewhere, send it to me, and then I’ll do a reading on it and tell them what I’m seeing. Because there are definitely it’s not like it’s hard. It’s just not things that we’re trained to look for.

Dr. Mindy  28:28  

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And, and any kind of diagnostic and MRI X ray, there is a skill set to learn how to find what you’re looking for. So the more if you’re if you’re reading 1000s of them, I’m like you’re the gal to go to. So that’s that’s super important. Okay, can’t go to air. What are we done with infections? Is there having patients first? Oh, yeah, do cavitations.

Michelle Jorgensen  28:52  

So you mentioned it. You said you had a tooth removed? Yeah. Oh, and you said maybe I have a cavitation? Well, what in the world is that? What it means is that when a tooth is removed, and it could be any tooth, but it’s most frequently wisdom teeth, because that’s the most frequently removed tooth. You know, how many people have had wisdom teeth out?

Dr. Mindy  29:10  

Are they but by the way, is it necessary to pull wisdom teeth wisdom teeth?

Michelle Jorgensen  29:14  

Great question. That goes back to nutrition. So a lot of people in the health world have heard of Dr. Weston Price. Dr. Weston Price was a dentist actually, he found that there were so much there was so much with development that was based on nutrition, what the what the mamas and daddies ate before birth, like during, you know, all these things. And what he found is that people who were eating a diet rich and fat soluble vitamins, that was the big key. Those vitamins A, D, E, and K people who were eating those vitamins, enough of them had large, wide, beautiful smiles and mounds that had enough room for all their teeth to fit. Those that didn’t have those diets didn’t have room. And it’s interesting because if you look at skulls 200 or 300 years ago, everyone has their wisdom teeth in and they fit. Most people today they don’t fit. So I absolutely if if there’s room for the tooth to come in and not cause any issues with the tooth and front with the gums with anything in the in the future, leave them be, yeah, leave them be

Dr. Mindy  30:17  

I have one child that we pulled them before I knew and the second child, he’s got a very wide mouth. And we’ve we’ve kept them in mind where my brain goes with the nutrition question, though, is will in this day and age with so much gut dysbiosis, especially in our younger generation, you can even feed a kid great nutrition, but they’re not necessarily absorbing those fat soluble vitamins or supplements. So what is it possible if I have a child to like, come to a dentist like you? And you could give an idea? Or are there certain dentists that can give an idea like, hey, the mouth is growing in a really nice way, or you need to make some adaptations as the skull and the mouth and the head is growing and in our children

Michelle Jorgensen  31:02  

100% That’s why we’ve started a pediatric department in our practice for that reason, because I see all these sick adults. And I think, Gosh, I wish I had seen you when you were five. Well, we could have done preventatively at five. So there’s all sorts of things that we can use to actually influence the growth and development of the jaws so that there is enough room. And you know, this is interesting, it’s something I learned through personal experience, I adopted my son when he was two and a half. And his birth mother actually said, I’m glad you’re a dentist because his teeth are so messed up. And they were so so messed up still. And part of it, he didn’t have room for any of them a two and a half even. And what I learned is that the first bone affected by malnutrition is the top jaw. First, interesting when we have guessed what we’ve now created, we’ve seen our malnutrition in the flourishing of orthodontic care, because everybody has teeth. Right?

Dr. Mindy  32:03  

Wow. So what’s interesting about that, and then everybody’s trying to cosmetically change them without identifying why they may be going off in the first place. So if I if I have, I’ve had a root canal I’ve had, you know, I’m sorry, I’ve had wisdom teeth pulled. What do I do? If I’m listening to this? How do I know?

Michelle Jorgensen  32:23  

Yep. What do you do about it? Yeah, so two questions. First of all, you know, the size and space of the mouth. So we’re gonna get to that with airway, because there’s some serious things that are that need to be known there. But the second is, just did that area heal? Like where are the twos come out? Came out? Did it heal? And part of the problem with wisdom teeth, I believe, is when we take them out. I’m thinking about how old you are, you know, 1316? Are you eating your best? Are you sleeping your best? You’re still growing? You? You know, like, it’s I say it’s the worst time to put four holes in someone’s head. Yep. Really, because you’re just not why you say it that way. It’s like, well, yeah, you’re you’re not well primed to heal at that point, your your resources are going elsewhere. So often they don’t heal, meaning there’s just a dead little spot in the zone, a dead zone. And the bone has a piece of ligament, a piece of bone a piece of to something in there that did not allow that bought that bone to heal the soft tissue or the gum grows over top. And now you have this cesspool down in here of dead stuff. Remember, bugs love that stuff. So we biopsy these and there are bacteria, virus, fungus, parasites, we find Entamoeba swimming around in here. So this dead tissue, again, is a very, it’s a it’s a very protected environment for these bugs. Because the immune system, the police force can’t get in there, it’s dead. There’s no blood flow in, the spores can’t get in, but they can throw their junk out. So they throw throw their toxins out, it throws off everything. And interestingly enough, from a hormone standpoint, remember those energy circuits will be energy circuit for wisdom teeth is the entire endocrine system. So if you have issues, fatigue issues, thyroid problems, sex hormone issues, you need to go see do you have unhealed areas in your bone? Because of a tooth removal either up here in the front or wisdom teeth and I don’t I don’t call it a cavitation very often. And I’ll tell you why. Because if you ask any dentists if they believe in cat believe, in cavitations, they’ll say oh, no, that’s like crazy talk. There’s there’s no research showing that that’s true. And then I say, Well, have you ever found an area in the bone that didn’t heal? Right after a tooth was removed? They’ll go Oh, yeah, all the time. Like when I take when I’m, you know, placing a dental implant, you know, I’ll just like, fall into this hole and it’ll bleed like crazy and it didn’t heal or I’m like, we’re talking about the same thing. But the term cavitation has a huge I’m not gonna say misnomer. It’s the wrong word. It’s not. It’s thought of very negatively in the Dental. So I don’t like to use that term. I call it an area in the On that didn’t heal properly. That’s crazy.

Dr. Mindy  35:02  

So, so the I love the brilliance behind the phrasing of that, by the way, that was that’s pretty powerful. I want to go back to the hormone thing before we move on to the airways. You have me thinking because this is my wheelhouse, and I see so many women struggling with menopause. And the first thing I think, is that the conversation around perimenopause and menopause is like, HRT, no HRT, which seems like just a small little surface conversation. So I’m really in that world trying to get people to think about lifestyle, how do we change your lifestyle after 40? And what I find is that once you change a woman’s lifestyle, there really starts she starts to see a change in her hormones and her menopause symptoms. What you just gave me another piece of the puzzle, which is, and if those changes, lifestyle changes aren’t working, we gotta go and look at those wisdom teeth that were pulled because there may be some hidden infection. In those wisdom teeth. Have you seen evidence where a woman’s menopausal symptoms go away, when you clean up those those with wisdom teeth infections,

Michelle Jorgensen  36:10  

oh, every single hormonal system goes or is hormonal symptom goes away. We have people, fertility all kinds of things. Because again, it’s just a short and the circuit and I never, I will never say cancer, heart disease, if infertility, menopause symptoms are caused because of your teeth, I will never say that. But I will say that all of these things impact your body’s ability to keep itself healthy. So obviously, when you’re changing lifestyle, you are changing the body’s ability to keep itself healthy. When we are removing infection, we’re adding an additional layer of adding to the body’s ability to keep itself healthy, you know, so this is why we’ll see incremental change with all the good things we do. They’re all part of the puzzle for people.

Dr. Mindy  36:55  

Right? Yeah, I think that’s so powerful. Because again, what I want an episode like this to do is help people see that there may be something out there that a they’re doing that could be destroying their health or be, it could be why you’re not healing. And that’s really what we’re discussing here. So, okay, go on to airways, I want to make sure because you you are one, the way you explain airways, I have never heard of it this way. And I do want to note that I will be coming to visit you as soon as my schedule frees up because I want to look at my airway, I want you to look at my cavitation X rays. So that definitely is on my list. But you you really look at airways in a unique way. And I will be full transparency, I think I’ve told you this. I’m one of those people that went and got a full from what I thought was a functional orthodontist, a full bike night guard that I wear that stops the grinding my teeth. And I remember you saying, Well, that might work temporarily. But in the long haul, it might be a problem. So talk about airways.

Michelle Jorgensen  37:57  

Okay, so let’s actually segue from infections to that. Oftentimes, those infections in the mouth are leading to swelling in the back of the throat, because if you think about it, where wisdom teeth that way back in the back of the throat, right? Oh, yeah, we will see swollen tissue at the back of the throat, we will there. So there’s a lot of things we look at. So what do we do about infections, we remove infected wisdom teeth, we clean out infected areas in the bone that didn’t heal properly, because it’s causing oftentimes swelling in the back of the throat back there. That’s just one thing it causes. It causes a lot of things, but that’s just one thing. But there’s so many people who say, I can’t fall asleep, I can’t stay asleep, I have to pee a whole bunch of times at night, I grind my teeth really bad. You know, I have shorter teeth than I like I can tell I’ve been grinding my teeth. And they don’t know that there’s any one thing that we can actually do about all of that. So it’s interesting. There’s different sleep cycles. Everybody knows this. You’ve heard it before. You know, there’s light sleep, deep sleep, REM sleep, all those kinds of things. Well, in deep sleep, which is I like to think of it as construction zone. During construction zone where all the business actually happens, your body rebuild cells, it starts to regenerate and re it reboots, your brain does all of those things. That all happens in deep sleep. during deep sleep. The body part of the definition of deep sleep is paralysis, meaning all the muscles paralyzed. This is when we don’t move. So if you lay down and all that tissue in the back of the throat, closes off the throat because of gravity. Now, when you go to deep sleep, the muscles that are holding that airway open and allowing air to pass, relax, including the tongue. The airway closes, and what does your body do? Well wakes you up, it wakes you up. Or it squeezed grant you squeeze your teeth, because when you squeeze your teeth, it flattens the tongue or you go grind your bottom jaw forward because it opens up the room for error back here. You wake up and you go, Oh, I gotta pee. No, no, you don’t have to pee you woke up. So now you have to pee. So like, you know, so you didn’t wake up because you had to pee, there’s actually a hormone in the body that turns off when we’re in deep sleep. So if you’re waking up to pee, it means you’re not in deep sleep. All of these are signs that you have an airway obstruction. So if you are grinding your teeth, if you are clenching your teeth, if you are wearing your teeth off, if you wake up with headaches in the morning, because your muscles are tired, because they’ve been working on it long. If you wake up and you feel like did I even sleep? Like I swear I was asleep, but I don’t feel rested at all. And you actually, were never in deep sleep.

Dr. Mindy  40:45  

So what if I like I have an aura ring? And I’m getting deep sleep for most of the night? Does that mean that I’m okay? Like, what is it? Tell

Michelle Jorgensen  40:55  

me what is your body’s saying? Do you feel okay, like do you feel good in the morning? Do you feel like your brains backing up? All those things? Yeah,

Dr. Mindy  41:01  

I do. And I also biohack that out of myself. So I get up out of my bed work really hard at work really hard at it. I get out of my bed. I plop in my oxygen chamber, but you know, my diet is impeccable. I’ve fast. I mean, I know. Right? But I but my mouth is a really interesting one for my overall Hormonal Health. So I didn’t know that about waking up at two in the morning. That has definitely been a menopausal symptom that I’ve worked really hard at trying to overcome. And I just want I feel like I get some rhythm with it. All of a sudden, I’m like, why am I back waking up at two in the morning? So talk, you said something that’s really interesting. I’d never heard this before. There’s a hormone that turns off that we’re not supposed to makes it so that we’re not supposed to pee in the middle of the night.

Michelle Jorgensen  41:49  

Yeah. Because otherwise we would I mean, do we go eight hours during the day without having to go to the bathroom? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. There’s a hormone cycle at night that turns off the need to go to the bathroom. But here’s what happens if you’re already awake. If you’re already awake, well, then you’re awake. I mean, what do we do the first thing we wake up people, right? So if you’re already awake, you do that. But here’s another thing as well. When you are, when you have low oxygen, it actually increases the amount of ammonia that the system creates. And ammonia is incredibly irritating to the bladder. So one of the signs and children that they are not getting enough oxygen at night is bedwetting, because they aren’t waking up enough to stimulate the need to go to the bathroom. But their bladder is dumping this because it’s full of ammonia, and it’s really irritating to the bladder. So they’ll bed wet, clear and tell, you know, 10 1214 years old and cannot figure out what to do that child that child is not breathing.

Dr. Mindy  42:49  

So what what’s what’s a good oxygen saturation rate?

Michelle Jorgensen  42:52  

We want to see in the high 90s. Okay,

Dr. Mindy  42:55  

so that would be like, so like I do again, or a ring tells me like gives me so and I get like I see that I’ve got you know that I can be I’m at like 98%. So a lot of my following you know, a lot of my community will wear these aura rings. So that would be another indicator. What about HRV? Do we see any connection between airways and heart rate variability?

Michelle Jorgensen  43:19  

Yes. So heart rate variability is an interesting one that I’ve studied quite a bit about actually. Heart rate variability, my the best way I’ve heard it described is if you were in the country, and there’s no one else around and you’re driving down the road, you can drive this way. And this way, you could stop in the middle of the road, nobody cares. There’s a lot of variability that you can do on that drive. If you are in New York City and you’re driving on the freeway, you stay in your lane, otherwise you’re gonna die, right? So you stay in your lane, there’s zero variability. The more stressed our body is, the less variability there is. So what you’re going to see is you’re going to see less variability, the more oxygen constriction or issues you have, because the body is stressed, it’s strained and it has to stay in this lane to be able to keep itself functioning properly. So if you have low variability, which is not what you want, and heart rate variability, if you have low variability, it means most likely something stressing you at night. You’re not getting enough air. It’s the most common thing that could be happening. snores I actually like snoring. I don’t like snoring, but I like snoring because at least it gives you a symptom. You know,

Dr. Mindy  44:32  

least you know, snoring is a sign of a poor airway

Michelle Jorgensen  44:36  

100% If you need something is in the way of your airway, because that’s just something flapping in the breeze. There shouldn’t be anything flapping in the breeze, your airway should just be able to pat you know airway passage should be open. But I like it when people snore because they have a sign that they can go now a dress. Oh, sure. But there’s so many people that just don’t sleep. Yeah. So

Dr. Mindy  44:58  

so if you’re listening to the I mean when I hear these three things that you just walk through. I’m like, Oh, my God, like, it makes me scared to go to the dentist be it makes me a little bit like, how are we going to unwind this for people? Because, you know, the work you do is so necessary and so impressive. But not everybody has the resources to be able to walk in and just clean up their mouth in that way. So is there a way for us to take what we just learned from you and chunk it down and say, Hey, start with this? You know, can we baby step our way into cleaning up our mouth?

Michelle Jorgensen  45:38  

Yep. And the way I usually will tackle this is what is your primary symptom. So if your primary symptom is neurologic based, so if you have brain fog, if you have numbness, if you have a lot of gut issues, then start with mercury removal. That’s where I’m going to tell you to start, yep. If you have hormone problems, if you have some of these serious acute diseases, cancer, heart disease, strokes, diabetes, and autoimmune conditions across the board, right, we see Hashimotos, all sorts of arthritis, things like sjogrens disease, if you have an autoimmune disease, you’re going to start with infection. So you’re going to identify is there infection in the mouth, if you have high blood pressure, if you’re waking up all night long and feel like trash in the morning, then you’re going to start with airway. So we just tackle the first symptom, the symptom that you’re really struggling with, and that helps guide, where is the entry point into this. And the entry point is always that cone beam CT scan all all three of those roads, you’re going to start with that cone beam CT scan, because we need to know where you’re heading, make miss steps, you know, along the way, just because we started with this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t know that this is going to be coming, you know, and we don’t want to do something that’s detrimental in those areas, too.

Dr. Mindy  47:03  

Yeah. Oh, my God, that was so helpful. Thank you for chunking that down. Because, you know, I always tell patients that when you’re have a chronic situation in the body, whether it’s waking up at night, or it’s an autoimmune condition, the first thing you should always do is change your lifestyle that I’m like a huge lifestyle fanatic. The second thing you should do is look at how do you detox. But when you bring up the detox issue, now you’ve got to the number one rule of detoxing is making sure you’re not toxifying yourself before you go into any kind of fancy plan. And that’s usually when the teeth conversation comes up. And so my advice always is go to a dentist like you and just get an assessment, just just see what’s there, like and tell that dentist like, Okay, give it to me all and they’re gonna give you a, you know, a breakdown, it may be a large bill, and then you can chunk it down and figure out what to do from there. But what I what is really frustrating. And I think you’ve probably seen this a lot, is the person that’s like, I’m fasting, I’m detoxing, I’m taking supplements, I’m exercising, I’m doing everything. And I still don’t feel well, what is wrong? And that’s where I think what you just said is the answer. And everybody needs to look at that. And I bet that’s the type of patient you get. Is that kind of what’s pouring into your office all the time? Yep, a lot

Michelle Jorgensen  48:27  

of times where the sixth or seventh practitioner they’ve seen, you know, and finally, somebody like you says, I think you’ll need to go see a dentist and they’re like, what, why would I want to go see a dentist? No, no, no, just just trust me just go see a dentist, you know, and then they then they show up in our office. And all those things that you’ve done from a lifestyle standpoint are going to help with, with all the things that we’re talking about with helping that to all resolve in a you know, a faster, more complete way. And you know, sometimes we don’t do everything and we don’t do everything at once. You know, we leave Mercury alone for a little while or the airways clear up when we take care of the infection. It completely just goes away. And you know, those kinds of things. But I just always tell people just have the plan to begin with. Yeah, because I don’t want to do something like we’re going to remove a Mercury yet. Let me give you a real example. We’re going to remove a mercury fillings on a tooth and do a crown or just you know, do something on it. And that tooth is actually a failed root canal. Right? Well, you’ve just wasted your money. Right? You know, so that’s what you need to know, is the foundation good before I’m fixing the top, you know, we need the whole picture in mind. Otherwise, sometimes we spin our wheels and spend a lot of money and do things that actually aren’t the right order or even the right thing at all. Because we don’t have the whole picture in mind.

Dr. Mindy  49:45  

You know, I’ve I’ve sat with so many people who have been chronically ill. And that is the most frustrating place to be is when you’re like I don’t know the way out of this moment and I’ve tried everything so it’s such a good point. With the time we have left, give us an idea. This is another huge we probably could do a whole episode on this, our daily care of our teeth, your toothpaste matters. Your your floss matters like talk a little bit about hygiene, daily hygiene, what do we need to know? And how do we make sure we’re not toxifying ourselves with our daily teeth hygiene?

Michelle Jorgensen  50:24  

So the big one is the toothpaste, you know, just pull it out, look at it, read the ingredients. Do you really want to eat all of those things? And people will say, Well, I don’t swallow it. Yes, you do. Because it gets mixed with your saliva. And you’re swallowing your saliva, you will 100% are swallowing anything you’re putting in your mouth. And the gums are one cell thick, it’s permeable. They’re getting through your gums and into your bloodstream, look at your toothpaste to if you don’t want to eat those things, and you should not be brushing your teeth with it. So I tell everybody do not brush with any commercial toothpaste, they’re horrible. They pretty much have the things that make it foam up so that you like it, they make it taste good. They put a lot of artificial sweeteners in there. They put detergents in there to try and kill bugs, detergents that you should, you know, only wash your counters with and not even maybe that yeah, they put this called sodium lauryl sulfate, which makes it all foamy, so that you feel like it’s doing a great job for you. Those kill all the cells in your mouth. They’re like, on and on and on. And then the big is fluoride.

Dr. Mindy  51:24  

Yeah, yeah, talk a little bit about that. Because everybody thinks I’m crazy when I say that. They put fluoride in our water here and in San Jose, which is really sad.

Michelle Jorgensen  51:33  

My favorite. Yep. So the problem with fluoride is that we don’t need it. Not only when you have a cavity or when a tooth is weakening, what an all that’s happening is the minerals in the tooth are dissolving. Either because you’ve been putting acid on the tooth in the form of sugar that the bacteria eat or soda pop or you know, something like that you’re you’re literally dissolving your teeth with acid. So the thing that’s missing in the tooth that creates the cavity is the minerals. Mm hmm. When you add fluoride back, it actually makes a harder crystal so it makes it more resistant to acid. However, it also hardens and makes everything a little bit more brittle, including every other structure that it incorporates into, like your bones. So now we see high rates of hip fractures and areas that have fluoridated water, because now everything’s more brittle, harder and more brittle. It also interferes. This is the other one I was talking about. It interferes with the binding of iodine because fluoride and iodine are cousins. They’re the same. They’re there. They’re both called halides. They’re on the periodic table next to each other. And so fluoride is a bully, it will push iodine out of the receiving site on your thyroid hormone. So people will show up, they’ll have thyroid symptoms, gosh, I feel so tired. I don’t have any energy. They’ll get a blood test and it’ll show your thyroid hormone is just fine. No, it’s not. It’s actually full of fluoride instead of iron. So how many people do you know that have low thyroid function? And even when you’re tested that they say oh, you’re you’re you’re just fine, but I’m not fine. It’s most likely fluoride. There’s no reason to put fluoride back into a tooth. It’s not missing fluoride. It’s missing minerals. So why do we put something back at never had let’s just put back what it’s missing. So that’s hydroxy apatite. The mineral that a tooth is made of is called hydroxy apatite. So thankfully, now, we have products I formulated a product just for this because I was so tired of people not having a good option. You make hydroxy apatite. Back in the tooth. It completely rebuilds the tooth, it can remineralize the start of cavities, it can reverse cavities, and it can make teeth no no more sensitivity. It just puts back what you were born with. Wow.

Dr. Mindy  53:45  

And where do we get this we’re gonna have to put a link there

Michelle Jorgensen  53:48  

you get this on my website living well with Dr. Michelle is where the website and I it’s been absolutely crazy. Actually we’ve sold hundreds and hundreds of 1000s of bottles of internet router since last fall. We keep it in stock and the results coming back have just been extraordinary people are like I will never brush with anything ever again my teeth actually feel clean. So that’s the first step of cleaning is used the right thing to clean. Right? It’s a soft toothbrush. The only use for a hard toothbrush is to clean your toilet or the oil on. That’s a soft brush.

Dr. Mindy  54:25  

What about floss versus pick Waterpik

Michelle Jorgensen  54:28  

I don’t even care if you floss. People are always like what your dentist. I don’t even care if you floss, I just want something to get in between the teeth. So my favorite Water Flosser or Waterpik is called shower floss. It’s in your shower. It connects between the wall and your showerhead. So it doesn’t have to make a mess because you’re already wet in the shower and it’s all in the shower. That’s why

Dr. Mindy  54:50  

I hate that’s why I hate a water pit. Everybody

Michelle Jorgensen  54:52  

hates that. Yes just diverts you divert a little bit of the water into the Waterpik yes Write your mouth out, you clean out your rain, you clean out the corner of the ground on your shower with it and then you divert the water back and you’re all done and you’re still wet. Y’all got an extra minute or two in the shower. So I don’t care what you use. You just need to do it.

Dr. Mindy  55:14  

Something in between. And we can we find that on your website, too.

Michelle Jorgensen  55:18  

Yes, yes, Seriphos are the other last thing you need to do is clean your tongue. The tongue is like carpet. And I believe if anyone has geographic tongue, if anyone struggles with Candida, I believe it’s a tongue problem that the the fungus that lives in your tongue. So people say all the time Well, I brush my tongue. I don’t care. Go do a test. Go brush your tongue and then go scrape your tongue and you’re going to be grossed out at what’s still living on your tongue. You will never not scrape your tongue again. Yes, but once a day, you need to you need to clean your tongue to

Dr. Mindy  55:48  

do you know that when I had chronic fatigue syndrome in my early 20s, I learned a lot about Candida at that point. And so I knew that I had a lot of Candida in me. So when I started fasting, one of the things I started looking at was my tongue. And this is super gross, because when I first started fasting, there was literally I’d be like two days into a fast and there will be a black line down the center of my tongue. And I was like, oh my god, I’m killing Candida. And so I did that tongue scraper. And do you know now like, I use my tongue, if there’s a little bit of whiteness on it, I’m like, okay, you know, I got to bring the carbohydrate load down, like, what do I need to do? So the tongue is really, really important. So I’m so happy. You said that.

Michelle Jorgensen  56:32  

I’ve got hold books over here just on tongue diagnosis. I mean, it’s the Chinese have been doing this for centuries. You know? We just have forgot about it. So yeah, clean your tongue. You could help my mind.

Dr. Mindy  56:44  

Yeah, so good. Okay, well, that was that you literally I it was funny. Because before this episode, I was like, Okay, there’s so much I want my audience to hear that I know you are an expert in yet. It’s all very overwhelming. So I just want to say hats off. That was a beautiful job, and giving people a crash course and what they need to know and their dentist. So we’ll leave all your links and stuff in there. The last question I have for you. And this is one that I ask all of my guests, every, every year, I have a theme for my podcast, and this year, it’s self love. So part of self love is that there’s a ritual that goes with self love, and there’s an owning of your superpower. To me that self love. So do you have any ritual that you just pour into yourself every day? And what do you think your superpower is that you bring to the world?

Michelle Jorgensen  57:32  

So I love to take a bath. Nice. I don’t get it every day. I wish I got it every day. But I combined two things. And I make it very good for myself because I read. I’m a voracious reader and take a bath at the same time I read your book in the bathtub.

Dr. Mindy  57:51  

Nice. I wonder how many people I’ve taken a bath with now.

Michelle Jorgensen  57:57  

We have to do so well. Yeah, so we’ve taken about together.

Dr. Mindy  58:02  

That’ll be my new whenever I run into people out in public and they tell me they love the book. I always go oh, what’s your longest fast now? Did you take a bath? What’s

Michelle Jorgensen  58:13  

very good. We did.

Dr. Mindy  58:17  

About together? I love it.

Michelle Jorgensen  58:19  

Yeah, so that’s definitely one of my rituals in my husband. He can tell like, he’ll be like, Oh, you had a really hard day. You

Dr. Mindy  58:24  

just need to take a bath.

Michelle Jorgensen  58:26  

I love that because they do thank you very much. My superpower I think is making things that are complex, simpler.

Dr. Mindy  58:34  

I love that. Do you know I’m actually tear up when you say that? Because a I would agree with you. So I mean, this literally, I mean, I there’s so many paths we could have gone down. I just feel like you gave the best crash course on the mouth that I have ever heard anybody given an hour. So I would agree. And I hope everybody understands, you know, every aspect what you said. But here’s the reason why that touched me so much. Do you know that 95% of the guests I have brought on this year have said that that their superpower is taking the complicated and making it simple. And when you look at the people that I bring on to this podcast, it’s the thought leaders it’s the people who are revolutionising their, their specific profession or whatever they’re a master of. And one of the things I can tell you I My sister has photographic memory. She went to Princeton for undergraduate got a PhD at Yale, and I you know, in watching her trajectory hanging around a lot of incredibly intelligent people. Intelligence is of no use. If you can’t explain something simply to somebody. Yep. And what that superpower that you just said, I think is magnificent. And we all should have it so absolutely love that

Michelle Jorgensen  59:53  

and I always tell people, a confused patient, confused, consumer, confused, whomever cannot Say

Dr. Mindy  1:00:00  

yes? Don’t they’re overwhelmed. They say no, actually, yeah, they

Michelle Jorgensen  1:00:03  

say no, because you they can’t say, Yeah, but when you can’t help anyone unless you can make it simple, yeah.

Dr. Mindy  1:00:10  

Oh my gosh, I couldn’t talk to you for hours. How do people find you? We’re gonna leave links. I know, I know, we’re gonna have to do a part two, I’m coming to visit you, I promise you by the end of the year, I will be in your dental chair. And but where do people find you because you’re you have a lot to offer the world you have your living wellness programs. So talk a little bit about that.

Michelle Jorgensen  1:00:31  

So my dental practice is called Total Care Dental. And it’s a little bit of a unique practice because we have multispecialty, all under one roof. So I don’t do all the dentistry. I’m not a one man show. We have specialists that actually provide all of this care under one roof, which is pretty, pretty cool. So it’s called total care, dental, total care dental.com. That’s where all the dental pieces live. And then I love to incorporate all the lifestyle pieces as well. And that’s my living well with Dr. Michelle platform, that’s where you can find the toothpowder that’s where you can find other things. I have a tooth remineralization kit where you can reverse cavities, a whole bunch of things there as well as some lifestyle pieces that I know you speak about as well.

Dr. Mindy  1:01:08  

Yeah. Oh, Michelle, this was amazing. So thank you again, you know, these are the kinds of podcasts we save somebody’s life today. And they needed to hear this so I just appreciate your superpower and you taking the time so grateful for you