The Path to Ending Suffering and Finding True Freedom – With Peter Crone

Dr. Mindy
So, here’s here’s where I want to start this conversation. One of the things that I probably didn’t say the first time we met, is that one of my pet peeves in life is going to dinner with people and having these really superficial conversations. I hate it, and I will leave a dinner party very quickly because of it. And man that when we sat down to dinner, what I love about you is you just dove like you went right in. And we went deep, so fast is is that is that because of the group we were with? Or do you walk around with the depth of, of stimulating conversations like this everywhere you go?

Peter Crone
That’s a great question. And I appreciate the compliment, I would say it’s kind of a little bit of both, I think, you know, my read of you similar to myself, is that we’re very perceptive. And so I’m able to not necessarily even consciously but sort of subliminally understand my audience and choose my conversations appropriately. So I think it’s really the former, which is because of the audience that we were for each other, you know, all discerning, intelligent, curious, and obviously, inspired by these kinds of conversations that sort of lent itself for me to perhaps discuss things that I wouldn’t in another circumstance. So I think it’s predominantly courtesy of who we all are, we’re for each other, and you’re listening that was there between you and Danica and stuff. But um, yeah, I typically don’t share to those depths if it’s an audience that I feel is either not so interested and not necessary, because they’re not interested, but they don’t know to be interested. Right. Like, that’s sort of not knowing what you don’t know. But also perhaps the bandwidth or the capacity, isn’t that so? Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Do you think that we are in a certain frequency with our thoughts with our health, and when we get around people that are in that same frequency, these conversations become so easy to have? And that’s, that was sort of my sense was like you were, we had six people at a dinner table, that we’re all vibrating at a different frequency. So the conversation had no choice. But to go to that level. And I and sometimes I think the reverse happens when people are in a lower frequency, they attract the people of that frequency, and then those thoughts keep perpetuating, do you do you feel like we’re frequency beings like that?

Peter Crone
100%. You know, like, you look at harmonics and resonance and dissonance, right? Like even a lay person might say something as trivial as like, Oh, they’ve got a good vibe, or I don’t like their vibe, you know, sort of colloquialisms that are pointing to this vibratory state that they’re picking up on. So for sure, when there’s, you know, this is romantically to write, like, why is it you’re drawn to certain people, there’s a particular resonance your soul signature, is not necessarily consciously but at a deeper level, recognizing something. And that doesn’t mean by the way, that in that impulse to be drawn to somebody, that it’s Nirvana, and it’s rainbows and unicorns, you might be drawn to somebody because there’s something that you’re in this soul journey to reconcile. And that being is the catalyst for that to happen. Right? So, to me, yes, it is all about frequency. I mean, quote, Tesla, right. Like, you know, if you understand the universe, look at it in terms of vibration, frequency, and energy. So that’s, that’s what I trafficking. And so

Dr. Mindy
then where my brain goes with that, and this is how I’ve lived my life, is that if you want a different experience in your life, it starts by working on your own frequency first. And to me frequency comes from, not just your thoughts, but it comes from your health, it comes from your body, it comes from your soul. So everything you do on a day to day basis, to to elevate your frequency is going to allow you to attract a higher frequency tribe, for lack of a better word to you. Do you feel like it’s not it’s an inner journey like that, if you want to have a different experience in life?

Peter Crone
100% What am I right in quotes, which you may recall, I’m sure I shared a lot at dinner, but one that comes to mind is frequency precedes form. Right? So for sure, the resonance of frequency of which we like oscillate and we occupy is the predetermining signature that will attract people and circumstances. Now, in your speaking there’s a few semantics that I’d point out just because it’s you. But it’s like when you say that we try to raise our frequency or you said I, the the person we believe ourselves to be is the obstacle to the frequency that we wish to attain.

Dr. Mindy
I don’t know what to say that say that again. That’s what I love about you. That was good. Go for that.

Peter Crone
Yeah. So it was something like maybe I can do it verbatim, but the person that we think we are is the obstacle to the frequency that we wish to attain. Right? So meaning, our current idea of ourselves is fundamentally old, right? Not meaning like, you look at something like physiologically, our skin, right, or hair or nails. So everything is in perpetual motion. Right? Like, we have never been the same physiological person for more than a second, which for most people, if that’s all they got from this podcast would take them hours to like, unpack, right? It’s like, right, like, I thought, I’m this. Yeah. But even in the 20 seconds that I shared, that there’s so many moving parts in your physiology that you’re never the same you. So where this gets really sticky is with our psychological view of ourselves, our identity, our persona. Because people think they are like, their name, their religion, their nationality, all of these things are, you know, just understood by common knowledge of Well, yeah, of course, I’m English. And I’m American. I mean, I get it, but they’re not truths, right. So the body, you have no choice but for the body to move. It’s, you know, hobby, nails are growing, has grown, blah, blah, blah. But psychologically, people become very stagnant very easily because they become attached to their identity as though that’s who they are. But it’s such a disservice to their capacity to evolve. And then that’s what I feel is a precursor to the cascade of sickness that shows up in the physiology, not because the body is sick. But because you stagnated in the view of yourself. And with all of the subconscious constraints, limitations, inadequacies, insecurities which carry to go back to our previous point, a darker resonance, a heavier frequency, like then that will manifest over time. It’s just physics in the physiology, right? So yeah. So to go full circle to your question about raising frequency. Yes, you can consciously do it with real discernment. But invariably, it requires inspiration, something that you see you witness you hear, hopefully, conversations like this, or they can be that’s an external form of stimulus, or there can be an internal form of stimulus, which is more an intuitive, and like a sense of awakening that like, oh, my gosh, I’ve done X behaviors for 510 15 years, only to my own detriment. And so I’ve realized now that that correlates to the way that my mum spoke to me, my dad said this. And that’s an old pattern that I’m now willing to relinquish, right. So that’s so there has to be some form of stimulus. Where we do it, quote, unquote, by ourselves is, I think a little bit of a misnomer, like this paradigm that we’re in is for reflection, right? We can have internal insight. I’ve done a lot of my work just through downloading higher levels of consciousness. But also, there’s been external stimulus that has been the inspiration for me to go, oh, hang on a minute. What they just said, just helped me see something about myself that I was previously oblivious to. And in that transition frequency rises. It’s not an ongoing, oh, you know what, it’s Friday, I’m gonna go out and raise my frequency today. Right. But it is a necessary part of the evolution of ourselves to fundamentally realize our true nature, which is my assertion is why we’re here. So

Dr. Mindy
Oh, that was there’s so many. This is why we I loved our conversation. I’m like, Oh, my God, which path do I go down? But here’s where I want to go, that I think will be really helpful to my audience, is, when the body is in a state of dis ease. You know, we can call it disease. But to me, it’s dis ease. Is it? Does it mean that we are not congruent with our true nature and the frequency that our soul wants to emerge and come out of and this person we want to become, but what something’s holding us back. So it creates dis ease and disharmony in the body? And now we feel ill ill? Is there a? Is that a great way to look at chronic conditions in the human body?

Peter Crone
100%? I’d say they’re completely commensurate, right? Like they’re inextricably connected, like, when people talk about mind body connection, and I’m sure you know this just because of your awareness. But it’s not a connection. It’s a continuum, right? Like that one on the same thing, just functioning at different densities, like you look at water. And then you look at Steam and you look at ICE, like they’re all the same, but just in different states, right? So likewise, we have different levels, different hierarchies in the way that we express ourselves and how we identify. So for me, I mean, I literally had such a beautiful conversation yesterday with someone I’ve never met before. 62 been through three years of cancer treatment with radio, radiation, chemotherapy, you know, with all the deleterious effects of that which are just terrific. And in 45 minutes, I helped her understand one off I’m not saying that it’s completely the cause. But one of the The predominant reasons as to why cancer arose, right. And it was because from a very young age, and nobody knows who she is, so I can share. But from a very young age that she had had an experience, it wasn’t even that traumatic, but she was playing around with her brother and having fun and data, and the parents was late. And so they screamed, like, be quiet, get your own data. And as a sensitive girl at that age, she unbeknownst to herself took on the constraint of like, I just did something bad, don’t do anything wrong again, to upset anyone cut to 49 years later of living in this prison of don’t do anything wrong ever. You can you know, even as I say those words, everybody listening can feel the tension that that stimulates, right, like you’re on eggshells, the vigilance special, which I think is more so the case and men with regards to this particular constraint, men have their own constraints. But you know, for, for her to live in this world of vigilance, and not wanting to do anything to ruffle feathers was such a state of dis ease. And again, I can’t categorically say that is why there’s so many contributing contributing factors. But I was explaining to her what is the physiological etymology of cancer, right, like when a cell fundamentally loses touch with the intelligence of the body, like every meeting has a primordial imperative to survive, right? You try and chase by or a mosquito around your room, they’re gonna run away, right? Like they are built to survive. So when a sell to me in the way I explain this, is in a hostile environment, it will find a way to survive in the absence of the nucleus of that organism, right? Like, like, I’m no longer part of it. Like she left the family because of the hostile environment that she was in at a very young age. And this is what happens when teens, quote, unquote, run away. To me, that’s sort of analogous to what’s happening on a cellular level, when someone gets sick. You’re no longer in a nourishing, nurturing, loving, kind environment. So you have to quote unquote, figure it out by yourself. Yeah. And so when she saw this, like, I mean, it was so moving. She’s like, I mean, first of all, there’s so much sadness, because she’s like, I’ve wasted 4550 years of my life, being somebody who isn’t who I truly am, right? And so, but I said, Yes, but most people get to the end of their life, and they never realize that so at least be grateful that you’re seeing this hideous pattern. That is not your fault. There’s no shame or guilt, because it’s unconscious. Anyway, a long winded way of saying that, yes, with regards to dis ease the energetic feelings, emotional and the psychological constructs that we’ve created, unbeknownst to ourselves. And I would assert, we’re actually here to reconcile that’s our karmic journey as a human being, they are the precursor to manifesting in the body, which is, in fact, sort of the gift because if you don’t have it actually represented in a physical form, you don’t see it, or it’s less obvious, right? So it’s almost like the movie metaphor, like you’re in a theater, and the movie is at the back being projected through because of the light onto a screen. And if there was no screen, it would sort of the light would dissipate across infinity. And you wouldn’t get to experience what is at the back. Does that make sense? Like, likewise, our body is almost like the screen upon which the the inadequacies, insecurities and scarcities of our own subconscious get to reflect so that we can be responsible for transcending That to me is the human.

Dr. Mindy
Oh my god, I have so many thoughts on this. So the first thing I want to say is that what I heard you say is that we are here to rectify what our souls purpose is, is that the way I just heard that, that we come into human form, in order to play something out that the soul wants to unwind

Peter Crone
correct in this particular dimension of planet Earth, you know, like everyone’s like, Oh, we want you know, world peace. I’m like, that’s not gonna happen. That’s not what this dimension is about. Right? So for whoever we are you me and Joe Blow who’s listening. Your soul was encapsulated in certain forms of constraints or limitations what I call inadequacies, insecurities and scarcities right the IMA not not enough, I’m a failure. I’m not at us. And so this particular dimension is the container within which each of those constraints gets stimulated, which is the gift now a lot of people don’t see it that way. They actually will plicate They’ll numb they’ll escape the pain through any means. means of like self medication, right? Like the weeds and the smoking and whatever. But in fact, if you understand No, I arrived with my bucket of fears and constraints. And this particular construct is designed so though they get stimulated or what we might say get triggered, your mother in law says this, your husband does that your boss data, and you get pissed. So wherever again, this is one of my more popular quotes, I say life will present you with people and circumstance to reveal where you’re not free. That’s the opportunity you’re being shown where you’re not free. Now, if you play the game, that way, it becomes an exciting proposition to discover more freedom by transcending where I’m not free. But most people don’t look at it that way. They tried to escape the discomfort of not feeling free, which we could equate to suffering. And then they use whatever means they have to, which is fine. That’s just where they’re at. But yes, so that is my my assertion. I can’t categorically say it’s true. But as a soul, which is boundless, limitless, pure love, pure freedom, that’s our nature. But for whatever reasons in the cosmos, we got bound with these constraints of inadequacy. And so it’s okay, let’s go over here, because that’s where you can unravel, mitigate and transcend these to come back to your true nature, which is pure love, pure boundlessness. And freedom.

Dr. Mindy
Oh, my gosh. So So two things I have to say on this first, what I just heard in that, and I want I don’t want anybody listening to this to miss this, is that when trials and tribulations show up, it’s an opportunity if we approach it as an opportunity to, to work out some energetic reason that our soul is here to work out the healing of of our, our true nature, and we can look at it as an opportunity. Now we don’t run from obstacles, we see them as the possibility of expansion for what the soul is here to do. So there actually were obstacles put in are in place for our best interest for our souls best interest. Is that what I just heard?

Peter Crone
Yeah, and it gets even more subtle, because it’s not even that obstacles are presented for our best interest. We currently all the obstacle.

Dr. Mindy
It’s, it’s we and that’s coming from our ego, or is that coming from the traumas like,

Peter Crone
yes, this ego and trauma, so like trauma is just a life experience that is revealing something that we arrive with as a form of constraint that we’re here to reconcile. And again, I can’t repeat that, but it would be worth rewinding. So basically, yes, the trauma is something that happened to us, right, it’s an event. But my assertion is that the trauma was synonymous. It was the resonance with which we arrived to curate the events that were appropriate for us to experience the current constraint that we’re in now, for some people, it’s instantaneous, instantaneous, that they’re like, oh, my gosh, like, I transcend that, but it’s usually in your 30s 40s and 50s. When you’re a kid, you don’t have the discernment. So it really is horrific that your mother said, You’re a mistake, we never wanted you or that your father said, Well, how come you struck out, you should have hit that, you know, and for that little boy, it’s like I’m a failure now. And he may not get to revisit that constraint of I’m a failure for 30 years, you know, when he’s presenting in a huge auditorium and a company that he gets paid, you know, $200,000, and he’s an expert, but he’s got sweats and hypertension. And, and he doesn’t understand why Well, He’s fearful fear of failure has never been reconciled. Now, many people might say, well, it’s the chicken in the egg. Did he have the fear of failure prior to his father reprimanding him or belittling him? Or was that event the catalyst for it to be created? My assertion is it’s the former, right? Because you arrived with this. That’s the opportunity. And so yes, you attract the quote, unquote, obstacles, the trials and tribulations, but, but they’re really just an extension of you because there is no separation. So that comes back full circle to resonance, like you. You change your frequency on a radio. It’s like, Oh, you didn’t suddenly see this song, whisk into the room and find the radio, right? It’s everywhere. Right? So you go from rock hard, rock to r&b. It’s not like oh, hey, everyone get like Boys to Men over here. Now we’re done listening to AC DC, like, no, it’s everywhere, like, so the shifting frequency, the events arise simultaneous.

Dr. Mindy
So what I love about the simplicity of your message is that I think and I’ll just speak for myself. I grew up in a really happy environment, but there was a lot of chaos within that happy environment, very loving family. But my sister was quite the rebel and she just created a lot of disharmony. And there was a lot yelling. And so I became the peacemaker. And I was the one that walked around the family and made sure everybody was happy. And I, over the years have been realizing that that I play that pattern out, over and over and over again. And here I am at 53, I’m starting to go into some EMDR therapy, and I realized, I don’t want to be the peacemaker anymore. I don’t want to do that anymore. But confronting that is really hard. And then the second thing is I’ve recently been acknowledging that that be that environment was traumatic, even though it was loving. And I think we tend to think of traumas as like child abuse, or, you know, abandonment, but here I was in a loving, chaotic family, and I have a trauma that’s continuing to play out, when you have that realization of something that may be holding you back, how do you go after it? How do you unwind it?

Peter Crone
It’s a great question. And sort of a multitude of avenues. You know, like, it could be through something like this, like just bringing it up in a safe space where somebody might be able to reflect something which I’m, I’m happy to do. So you know, you’re obviously super smart and discerning. So you have the capacity for self reflection, somebody else might need literally to sit down with a therapist or a coach, you know, to speak things through. Some people don’t even know what they want to say, because their environment was not conducive to self expression. Right kids that was seen but never heard. Because go to your room, be quiet, shut up. And so they develop the conditioning of like my feelings, my expressions, my opinions don’t matter. So that becomes sort of really slippery and insidious, because they don’t even know how to talk about what they want to talk about, because they’ve never learned to talk about right. Even the woman I helped yesterday, she was sort of fell in that bucket a little bit and for her to just start to express herself and even get emotional for her to just say, Wow, I’m feeling so sad. Like that was sort of a massive breakthrough and of itself, let alone then having the feeling of sadness, because if you go back to what I shared, she was in the prison self created not through her fault, but just adapt adaptation to survival to basically function like a minor amounts, like don’t do anything to upset anyone. So you can suddenly see that the form of self expression became completely inhibited. Right? So for you your soul’s journey, clearly with a sister who was more rebellious, even though the environment seemingly was loving, and that’s just going to be your interpretation that’s not categoric. Right? It’s not objective. But what we can hear from Mindy is that clearly, you saw chaos, and took it upon yourself to try and rectify that. Now, that’s just a broad stroke. Right? But if you really feel into it, that is an exhausting proposition.

Dr. Mindy
It was. Yeah, it is. That’s why I’m trying to unwind it. It is exhausting.

Peter Crone
Yeah. So if we were to break that down, and really look at the underlying intention, it seems sort of almost philanthropic like you’re the peace. You know, you’re the peace provider and the peace Bringer and you want everyone to be happy. And there’s no quote unquote, surprise, so you became a doctor and certainly at the level that you’re at, like with the sensitivity, you know, you’re this caregiver, but at what expense would be my question, right? And we don’t have to go through your whole history of what you’ve been through in relationships and so psychological issues or physiological ramifications that disease a you have to go through, right. But the, what is it called the wounded healer, right, like so you’ve used to other people’s benefit your own suffering as a means of helping, which is great, but my invitation for you and thank you for sharing yourself would be looking at, okay, what is the underlying subtext of the need for a child because that’s where it started to try to find, you know, harmony and bring the status quo to the household like what what was that like for you?

Dr. Mindy
It brought me love it gave me love if I if I became the good one, the peacemaker, I got, my mom was an incredible loving mother. I got I got a lot of mother’s love for sure.

Peter Crone
Yeah. Amazing, right. So now you start to see that this falls into a value proposition for you, right, like those various buckets that we relate to as humans. So what that little girl learned, and I’ll use someone else you can maybe through correlations see the similarity? A different pattern, but look at it Jim Carrey or Robin Williams, right. So we all know how did they discover love and attention through comedy being the cloud? Yep. So you can see but then Jim’s done a lot of work and he subsequently transcended all of his identity or much of it, but with someone like Robin who obviously sadly left us, you know, he it became his demise because he never He got out of the prison. Even though he got all the accolades and the attention and the millions of fans and dollars and data. And it was all being it was a maladaptive response to his deeper feeling of fundamental inadequacy or no value. Right? We have these adaptive processes, and most of them are maladaptive. They’re coping mechanisms. So many learn this coping mechanism called, okay, I’ll keep the peace whilst everybody else is losing their hair. Now we can look at it as a beautiful attribute. Look at who you are for so many people in your practice, it’s beautiful. But again, I will keep coming back to what expense and how genuine, is it? Now you’re a genuine human, but energetically To what degree is there a level of inauthenticity about the way you’re doing it, because it’s still that little girl trying to find this this homeostasis around her, when in fact, that’s not what this world is about. That’s why it’s exhausting. So if she felt, and I say she kind of almost identify as a separate entity to you, the need to try to placate circumstance and keep everyone happy in order have a way of garnering love. What does that say about her? Fundamentally, if she needed to do that? What was that little girl’s perception of herself, without doing anything to keep everyone happy or healthy?

Dr. Mindy
Well, that’s what I’ve been I’ve been working on is that there’s, there’s a worthiness that comes from me, right? This might be why I do what I do. There is a worthiness that comes from helping from fixing it takes me right back into that place of this is who I am, this is my position in this family. This is my position in this life. And what I’m trying to I’m actually literally like a month into really working on unwinding this, but what I’m seeing is, I’ve put my self in that position in my marriage, I’ve put it in my business, I’ve put it in my friendships, everywhere I go, I keep putting myself in that place of Peacemaker and harmony, because it’s what gives me love and worthiness. And I’m and it is exhausting. And I am trying to unwind it. And it’s, it’s the awareness

Peter Crone
gives me love and worthiness, right? So I’m gonna call BS on that not because you said it’s not categorically true. So it occurs it occurs as gives you love and worthiness. But this is like your addiction, right? Whenever we think the what we’re looking for is garnered externally to us. It’s an addiction. Now, you could say that yours is a healthy addiction because you’re helping people. But what your body and your energy is saying is that I am dependent Mindy is dependent on garnering receiving attention. Accolades, acknowledgments. Thanks, gratitude. And beyond that, just the results of my care and providing insight in order to feel love and worthiness. Yeah, so now, can you see how dangerous of a slippery slope that is? Because what’s the fundamental lie about that particular pattern that you have in place?

Dr. Mindy
Oh, well, I think I would say the fundamental lie is that I have to do anything to be loved. Can I just be love?

Peter Crone
Yes. Well, that’s a good question to start. I can I mean, I can categorically give you the answer. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, like without any expectation from other people, you know, it also has created this, me always thinking about the people around me and putting them first and may 2, and that is not serving me anymore.

Peter Crone
Great, awesome. And I love that we’re having this conversation. So I want you to recognize that it’s not something you’re doing that’s a pattern that’s the addiction. It’s automatic. You don’t get up in the morning and make a conscious choice a creative conscious choice that would be out of nowhere to say, You know what, I’m gonna go above and beyond to help X y&z Today, it’s already there. Right, the pattern of you doing what you do, is so ingrained, you’re you’re loosening it, which is great. And my my intention is during this conversation that you’re going to see something you’ve never seen before. But we’ll get to that in a minute. So but you’re, it’s so automated, that you think that’s who you are, which goes back to what I said, when I said I wish I could repeat that and I tried to repeat it about raising your frequency the person who wants to raise their frequency is the obstacle to the frequency that we’re trying to attain. So the person you think you are is the quote unquote, current obstacle to the essence of the higher version of yourself that is waiting to be born, which is great. You’re you’re in the you’re in the delivery canal right now. Let’s birthday bridesmaid, Peter. So So let’s look at the love of wedding. So you think you get that was an adaptation, albeit maladaptive, to the idea that you weren’t getting that automatically which you work to some degree. So there’s a loving environment, but you found your role you found the means to which you could feel better about yourself to find a sense of contribution and worth, right. And again, I’m not pooping any of this, this is wonderful. You You’ve changed 1000s of lives, I’m sure. But if we look at what you accurately said, or the question you asked, Well, can I just be loved or worthy? Without that? That’s a powerful question, right? Because now you start to actually reconcile and mitigate the need to do something, and maybe just rest in the beingness of who you are. And realize that the love and worthiness that you’ve been craving, externally, is inherent. It’s not some.

Dr. Mindy
Ah, okay. So I’m not, I’m not accessing it, I’m not bringing it into from the subconscious to the conscious is what I hear

Peter Crone
you well, beyond that, even it’s your nature, I would assert love and worthiness or your nature, this is so powerful when people hear this and they don’t know it, that self worth never changes. Now, that’s not the world people live in, you know, they had a job in a corner office, and they’re making six figures. And they felt that work was good at that point. But prior to that, they came out of college, and they were working in a bar. And, you know, they felt kind of cheap, and they were abused by guys, and they’re worse, didn’t feel so good. And then they dated a guy who just adored them. And they felt really good about themselves. And then they dated a guy who kind of was emotionally abusive, and they didn’t, right, there’s this oscillation, this constant roller coaster of how somebody feels about themselves. But that’s illusory, your worth is intact, always has been, always will be, the only version of work that changes is your self perception. Now, what’s happening with many as a your work is so correlated, to your idea of the role that you play, that in order to sustain your perception of worth, you have to keep the role intact.

Dr. Mindy
Yes, yes, that’s just discovered.

Peter Crone
But that’s how I do that. Right? Well, we are baby steps, right? So don’t worry. So the first thing to recognize is worth and the love that you crave, like anybody else out there. So you’re a beautiful role model and poster child for this conversation, especially for women, because women tend to fall into that role of care provider and people pleaser. So your perception that your worth is out there based on the impact you make, or the people that you help or the piece that you create is both illusory and futile as an endeavor. Because it’s this is a metaphor, I’ll give you an I gave this woman I spoke to yesterday. If you know Arizona, obviously, if in the middle of the summer, it’s 110 120 degrees, and you’re driving in your car. This is how many drugs she has the air conditioning cranked she is so well aware of her environment being like scorching hot. And so she rolls down all of the windows of her car, cranking the air conditioning, the intention, the aspiration, the hope being that I can cool down Arizona, and then I will be okay to

Dr. Mindy
you guys. I actually had a coach one time tell me he said, This is the way I vision envision human Diaz, you’re standing on out on a mountain type top with your arms stretched out, and everybody in your life is holding on to the arms and you’re trying to keep your arms out holding these people up. Yeah. And it like when he said that? I was like, Yeah, and that was 20 years ago, Peter, when I had somebody say that to me. I was like, You are 1,000% Right?

Peter Crone
Yeah. So amazing. And so the arm metaphor, the image I love because women particularly and care providers, like you envisage love, the way that we have understood love is that it’s it’s a verb, it’s something that we do. For others. I am loving, and especially as a doctor, I care for other people. So your arms become a container. Yeah, right. Does that make sense? So your friends, your family, your sister, your parents that now your patients and clients, you know your arms around them? Oh my God, when is it that whoever I spoke to like in the data because it’s more like, oh my god, I mean, it’s amazing. People love you, right? Like categoric, no doubt. But what I want you to understand is you’re missing the point of love, love, yes, it’s something that you have the capacity to do and to share. But love is an essence that includes you. So when you visit and visit the arms and the screens, not quite wide enough, but the arms that you have around people, I want you to take a set of arms and now also goodbye behind you.

Dr. Mindy
Oh, that’s good. That’s that metaphor? And is it just an energetic sense? Like,

Peter Crone
well, it’s scary but now for you particularly because much of your strength is through awareness and intellect it now you can understand and go, Oh my gosh, yeah, love includes me. And then you have a visual, you’re more of a fire types. you’re a visual person, so I gave you something to look at. So it’s like, oh, wow, what would it feel like for me to have arms around me too, because that little girl whose sister was rebellious and recalcitrant, and all over the place, like she didn’t have time to have arms around her, she was too busy trying to keep the peace in the family. Yep, yeah. So she developed the the, as I said, it’s an addiction, not your, there’s no shame or foul. But now we can bring awareness so that you can be responsible, two very different qualities, right, responsibility gives you power, being shameful of an event does not it’s disempowering. You did the best you could as a little girl to keep everyone healthy and happy. And it’s translated into a profession, which is beautiful. But I would say that you’re operating at such a small percentage of what you’re capable of, because it’s being driven by a deeper fear, versus an authentic energy.

Dr. Mindy
You know, what, you know, what, where I go with this is like, what does it look like to love yourself? What does it look like to put your arms around yourself? Like, I hear your words, and I and the visual is really good, because I am a visual person. But I, I’m trying to think of where I am not showing up for myself. Yeah. And

Peter Crone
it’s a great question. And much of the conversation that I have with people like this very hard to answer those questions, because I’m literally introducing you to a new world that you’re not familiar with. Right? Imagine there’s a wall that you’ve had in your community that you’ve known there forever, but you don’t know what’s on the other side of the wall. In one day, you open the door, and you walk into this completely new paradigm, a completely new construct. But you don’t know how to navigate it. Why? Because you just stepped in there. Yes. Right. So that’s what I’m introducing you to and this is why there’s a certain degree of grace and patience. And I’m doing this in a very categoric way with you. So that is step by step. But yeah, you’ve got great questions, and your brain is going to process these things very quickly. But what does that look like? Well, you’re going to have certain attributes and habits and behaviors that are self loving. But what I want you to consider what it looks like is the absence of something. And so that seems to be like a Cohen. Right? It’s like, what does it look like? What will I have now? What do I do? Actually, my invitation is self love for you is going to look like the absence of what you’ve been doing for so long. That stimulate?

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, well, I, you know, I was thinking about this morning, I had a whole bunch of tax bunch of emails, people requesting things asking for my help. And I’ve been like drowning in these requests. And so I sent some text back to people who wanted to pop on a phone call with me wanting to get my help. And I reluctantly said, Yes, like this one woman, I was like, Yeah, let’s chat at what at noon, on Sunday, after I had just told myself, I was going to do the whole weekend of doing nothing. And I’m texting her back thinking, here you go, you’re doing it again, you don’t want to let her down. You want to help you can easily give her this answer that she’s looking for. And then I’ve just set myself up for putting myself second again. Yeah, now you

Peter Crone
didn’t do that. So you can get out of the world of like guilt. You did it like literally like you’re tight with your fingers or whatever. But the behavior is an extension of your habit, not the real you. There was a little whisper of the real you of like, Oh, what are you doing? You’ve done it again. But that only reinforces usually the shame and the disempowering guilt, right? So what I want you to understand is that is the addiction, you have no choice you got you’re drowning in tax, you respond, Yes, let’s chatter noon on Sunday. Like, that’s all automatic. So that’s what I’m saying, What does self love look like? It would be the absence of something, the absence of that behavior that currently is automated. That’s what self love would look like, because you’re present with you. And you make a choice right now you have no choice, you’ll react to this very powerful, powerful distinction, tax come into your phone, you’re holding your phone, and there’s messages, and then you respond. That is a reaction, even the way that you go through the dialogue of I don’t want to do this, but I went and I shouldn’t I feel bad. It’s all reactive. Love is a choice based on what is appropriate for you right now. Not because of anything. Right? That is a creative choice that comes from true discernment that serves you. So this is where you’re going to break free and you are in this conversation with me. I promise you because I’ve already got the words that I want to give you. But right now it’s automated. It’s that’s why I said it’s an addiction and it’s not your fault. This is why we need compassion. We need grace. We need patience, right? So What was if you were to articulate that little girl’s like dialogue in the way that she viewed life in that environment, which has now just been extended into your career? Yes, I understand you get love and worthiness that’s your mother was very loving and all the things that you share. But there’s a deeper, more insidious program that runs you right now that I want you to be able to see, because once you see it, you’ll be able to break through. So what was what was the mantra? What was the dialogue or the narrative that that little girl took on in that household in the way that she viewed herself relative to her family?

Dr. Mindy
Well, I was very cognizant of being the opposite of what my sister was doing. So there

Peter Crone
that’s Don’t

Dr. Mindy
rock the boat. Don’t rock the boat, or you won’t get

Peter Crone
out of the dialogue. But it’s a little bit darker than that. Well, not darker, but it’s the weight of it. So don’t rock the boat is it’s an avoidant conversation. But you’re more proactive, right? Do you understand the in it, so don’t rock the boat would be a you’d be more of a child who was quiet, withdrawn, depress, and parents went under Mindy’s just quiet. We don’t understand why that would have been the maladaptive approach to your sister being the bad one. And you’re like, Okay, well, I’m just not going to rock the boat. I’m just going to kind of disappear into the corner a little bit. Right. Can you see that? Yeah. But that’s what you did. Right?

Dr. Mindy
Do you? Well, I. I did that. And then I also did, let me go in and be the peace, please. My mom, let me go. And

Peter Crone
next to me is the stronger of the two. I’m not saying that you haven’t put your needs secondary. But it’s because the language that I hear for you in the program that currently runs your addiction is it was more a proactive, maladaptive response to your environment, meaning you wanted to do something about it. Yes. Yes. So how would you phrase that as it relates to you? Like, if you were to say your role in that family, and by family, it’s extended now to the planet? What is the way that Mindy declared herself?

Dr. Mindy
I will, I will, you know, here’s, here’s where my brain goes, I see an injustice. And I want to fix it. I want to I want to,

Peter Crone
yeah, that’s part of it. So, but there’s a deeper level of conditioning that has it be. It’s not like I want to fix it. That almost gives you a sense of choice, like, oh, I want to fix it. But to me is a deeper level. And it’s supposed to be difficult like this, by the way, because it’s a blind spot. Right? So you’re doing great. Thank you. So that little kid, relative to our sister, was your sister gonna take care of things in the house? No. So then what did that say about you?

Dr. Mindy
It was my responsibility. Yes.

Peter Crone
So now you’re close. Now this is the language I’m not just gonna give it to you gave me chills so I can feel the resonance. I want you to consider you live in a prison called it’s up to me.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, I do. I do.

Peter Crone
Just try that on before you go into any conversation. Just feel the energy midday because this is dictated you’re 53 My guess is this has been 40 years plus of youth. It’s not even a thought. It’s not a choice. It’s just the way it is. It’s up to you. And if you don’t do it chips gonna hit the fan, and everything’s gonna go wrong. Now, I want you to presents the pressure that if you’re going to get beyond this, you have to see the prison you’ve been living in. Did you feel that?

Dr. Mindy
1000 I mean, that that your words are the core of what what I think it is, if I don’t fix it, who it’s who’s gonna fix it?

Peter Crone
Yes, that’s your conscious conversation. But the energy is, it’s up to me now to hear the categoric nature of that it’s not like a choice. It’s up to me. Like if I don’t do it, people die.

Dr. Mindy
Right? Yeah, it’s up to me for sure. And I if I go to every single relationship, I go to my marriage, I go to my business relationships, I go to my friendships, I it’s up to me is is the driving motivator. Like, if it’s not in harmony, it’s up to me to make it harmonious.

Peter Crone
I got it. I got it. But I feel it and I in order for you to transcend this, I want you to presence and feel the weight the gravity of that life sentence.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, I mean, I, I feel like this is why at 53 I’m finally trying to unwind it because it’s like a really heavy backpack that I’ve just been carrying around with me and so I yeah, I would say I don’t know. have to go very far to feel the heaviness of it.

Peter Crone
It’s in you you all the heaviness, right? Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
The heaviness. Right, right.

Peter Crone
So if I said to you, you’re gonna win a white Mercedes next week, what are you going to see on the road? Or for the seven days?

Dr. Mindy
white Mercedes? Yes,

Peter Crone
yeah. So going back to what I said, there’s not an obstacle, we attract, we are the obstacle. It’s not that the world needs fixing. That’s just what you see. Why, because who you are for yourself is it’s up to you to take care of everything and everyone, through no fault of your own. This is the dialogue. This is the narrative and the language that you learned, you’re adopted as part of your soul’s journey, you curated a family that needed you, so that you could fundamentally have a conversation like this and see the fundamental lie, that it’s not up to you. But that’s how it occurs to you. Now, this is going to be such a shock to your nervous system. But I’m gonna take you through an exercise. And this will hopefully see you show you now that that is, that is a lie. It’s not it’s not an actual truth. Right. So where were you born?

Dr. Mindy
Kansas City, Missouri.

Peter Crone
Kansas City. Okay, great. So if I were to cut you open, am I going to find a physical manufacturing, pick your material, metal, wood, whatever. But a manufacturing label? This is many born in Kansas City, it’s up to her? Yes.

Dr. Mindy
It can. Yes.

Peter Crone
Yes or No? If I cut you open, am I going to find a physical manufacturing label? The audit says, Mindy born in Kansas, it’s all up to her. Yeah, so

Dr. Mindy
energetically, yes. And physically? No? Am I allowed to answer like that?

Peter Crone
No, you’re not. You’re taking notes that I thought you’re a good listener? It’s a yes or no response. If I caught you open, am I gonna find a physical manufactured label that says many born in Kansas City? It’s up to her? No, no. Okay. So it’s not part of your hardware and which you understand, right? If we were to break down and get your DNA and look your genome, we’d be able to explain the color of your eyes and data, right? There’s hardware for that. So where does the it’s up to me live there. If it’s not part of your hardware?

Dr. Mindy
In my mind,

Peter Crone
correct in your mind, and it’s in language, it’s worse, right? It’s up to me. So I want you to consider them. If it’s just language, it’s programming. It’s conditioning. Now you’ve had it for 40 to 50 years. And so it’s very, it’s got a lot of gravitas. It’s got a lot. It’s very convincing for you. And in fact, I would declare that it’s who you think you are. It’s not even a choice anymore. It’s who you are for yourself. It’s up to you. It’s just how you respond to life. You. You could walk past the cow, this is a joke I used with everybody. And the cow could go moo a minute would be like, okay, okay, I’ll take care of.

Dr. Mindy
Right. Yeah, it’s exactly right. But you know, and here’s an interesting, I’m thinking back on a conversation I actually had with my my 22 year old daughter, the other day, she was having some dental issues. And I wanted, it was up to me to fix it. She called me about the health aspect of it. And I said to her, when you go to get the dental work, I’m here for you. I can be there, I can support you. And what she said to me was, I got plenty of people who can support me. I don’t need you there. And it killed me.

Peter Crone
No, it didn’t listen, it didn’t kill you. It was a form of energetic resistance to the way you view yourself. It was actually a gift to make you alive. To really get that that’s your daughter. She knows in ways that maybe she doesn’t consciously know that her mom is exhausted and trapped. And what I hear in the subtext of that conversation, mom, back off, take care of yourself. I’m fine. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you can’t hear that. Because it’s not how you relate to life. You relate to life, like it’s up to you. Like I said, a cow goes, moo, it’s Moo. But the way you hear that, is that okay? Don’t worry, I’ll take care of it.

Dr. Mindy
Right, right. It’s you’re spot on, and then where my brain goes as well. Then who am I if it’s not up to date,

Peter Crone
we’re not done yet. Babies. Go slow with you because your brain functions very quickly. And you’re gonna try and figure it out, right? Because it’s up to you to figure it all out. You’ve learned to survive. You’re hyper vigilant, which makes you a great asset for people, whether it’s a doctor with dental work, or a patient who needs help, or someone who wants you to text you text them at noon on Sunday, whatever, like, that’s great. I’m not saying that the attributes that you’ve developed over time, are useless. They’re not they’re phenomenal, but at what expense and then it becomes also detrimental to the people you’re helping because at one level, albeit not your entire and intention or your desired outcome, they become dependent on you. So there’s a subtle level of this empowering energy with you and other people. Because what you’re suddenly saying not consciously is I’ll take care of it because you can’t.

Unknown Speaker
Hmm, interesting. Interesting.

Peter Crone
I want to be that woman for people. No, I

Dr. Mindy
don’t, I don’t want I’m sure

Peter Crone
a lot of and again, I’m making broad statements, I’m sure much of your dialogue with patients is empowering. I’m sure it’s amazing. And then moved and inspired by the things that you tell them. But energetically at the deepest level, if money’s coming from, it’s up to me, the form of the relationship with other people must be, you can’t do it, because it’s up to me, otherwise, I wouldn’t attract you in my life.

Dr. Mindy
Right? And then I probably continue to attract situations like that, that make me right.

Peter Crone
You can let go the probably.

Dr. Mindy
Okay, so I go back to I see, I mean, thank you the language.

Peter Crone
Don’t worry, I’m listening to every single word. So. So first of all, you get the you get the gravity of the world that you’ve lived in code, it’s up to me. And it’s not something you consciously think about. Obviously, it was very difficult to get to that I even had to tell you, because it’s so inherent, but it is the core of who you identify yourself to be. Yeah, and it doesn’t some it’s not something you think about it just drives your thoughts, feelings and behaviors. No choice, like ripples on a pond. Right? So we got to the core ripple, as far as I’m concerned. Now, because I helped you see, it’s not part of your hardware, it’s not part of your makeup. It’s something in your head, and it’s in language. So this is where it becomes preposterous when you see it your whole life, from thoughts, feelings, behaviors, and outcomes, and the people and circumstances you attract are driven. It’s all generated from language words. It’s up to me. Yes, you start to see the power of the world that you created with the words that you adopted at a very young age. Yes, yes. Crazy.

Dr. Mindy
It’s totally crazy. And you know, I see it. Yeah, it’s up to I never saw, it’s up to me. So let’s that is like a huge. Yeah, I’m sure the people that know me, or like we’ve seen it.

Peter Crone
I’ve had the words, it’s important. Like, it’s like, if I was coding this piece of software, like people use Zoom, or whatever we’re using, right? Like, and you go to a coder, they have to have the precise code to make sure that that frame is straight, or that we can see each other right, like computer programmers. It’s not like I don’t worry, whether it’s a pee or an acid, it’s fine, the computer will figure it out. It doesn’t look that way. It just lies. And what I’m saying is the same for the intellectual like, construct of our identity. It’s based on specific language, you know that you’ve overextended yourself, you know that you’re tired, you know that you’re subservient. You know that you’re a people pleaser. Okay, great. But these are all extensions of what you didn’t know that you didn’t know, which is at a very young age, you’ve adopted code language called it’s up to me that and beyond language, it’s a feeling like it’s just an energetic reaction to your environment where you have to step up and take care of everything. Yeah, it’s not a choice. But now you have the option of choice and freedom because of this conversation. We’re not done yet. But because we’ve gone from heart and we there’s a, there’s sort of a hierarchy, you have to see it’s not part of your physical nature. It’s a it’s part of your mind. And what’s in your mind, it’s thought we want to make it looser and softer, right? So that we can quote unquote, undo it. So because if it’s like, oh, my eyes are green. Okay, well, how do I overcome that? Well, that’s going to be tough, right? Because that’s, that’s deep code in your DNA. Right? Right. But if it’s thoughts, if it’s just words, it’s like, oh, that starts to become quite ephemeral. It’s like, I can’t even grab that yet. It drives all my thoughts, feelings and behaviors and physiological, the things that you deal with, I know, you’re super smart, you understand the body, so you’ve probably mitigated a lot of it. But for somebody who can relate to this conversation who’s dealing with cancer, or some autoimmune disorder, or fibromyalgia, because they’re in constant internal tension, like that’s like, holy shit, like, that’s because they felt the same pressure for 4050 years, right? So now I’m gonna ask you another question. You can only say yes or no, you know, it’s not part of your hardware. You know, it’s software based in language. Now, if it’s only words that you adopted only because of the environment you grew up in, and you can only say yes or no. Does it mean therefore that it’s categorically true? That it’s up to you? No, it’s no it’s just not. That’s just life occurs to you, but it’s not a truth. Now we start now we’ve got a shot at self love. Now we have a shot at freedom, because now you can step back you can separate from the world of it’s up to me by seeing it’s not a truth. Yep. You know what, that’s

Dr. Mindy
an infection, I just want to say the addiction word is really, really resonates with me because it feels like an addiction. It’s totally

Peter Crone
appropriate because every human being on the planet, everybody listening to the words that come out of my mouth right now, unbeknownst to themselves, and some may know, are based on an addiction, every person is an addiction.

Dr. Mindy
We’re addicted to ourselves. We’re addicted to the idea

Peter Crone
of ourselves. And beyond that it’s not even our idea of ourselves. It’s the resonance that we offer ourselves that got formulated at a young age, not because it’s what happened, because that’s how we arrived. And the events of our childhood turned on that particular conditioning. Yeah, yeah. And you’re here, my dear in this life, to break free of that addiction. And I feel very honored to be able to have this conversation with you, so that you can start that journey into true freedom. Because beyond the gift that you offer, people now you get to exponentially enhance that gift for them, because they’re looking to break free of their own addiction. You help them with their addictions. That’s beautiful, better than most people. But if they’re still in the addiction, they haven’t really gone anywhere.

Dr. Mindy
And so whereby brain goes with that comment is like, oh, so what I just heard is I, if I can break free of this, I can turn around and help everybody else to break.

Peter Crone
Of course, it’s very slippery, isn’t it? Like, wait, that’s the addiction? What am I doing? Yeah, so And here’s the irony, you will get to do that. But you’ll only do it in a way that is truly authentic and powerful when you are it. Right? Not because you’re doing it. But because you are the essence of freedom, joy, love vitality for yourself, that becomes a form of resembling something for someone else to emulate and aspire to not because they’re following your instructions on something.

Dr. Mindy
Right? So does that does the process now then become observing where I go into? It’s up to me?

Peter Crone
It shows up, we’re not quite done. So. So I’m going to ask you a question now. So now that you’ve seen that it’s illusory, it’s not true, right? Like it’s real, because it’s, it’s literally dictated your life for almost 50 years, right? So that’s a reality, for the way that you think the way you have to address a text and respond, Yes, I’ll be there to the way you talk to your 22 year old daughter, and I can be there like that’s real, it’s happening. And it will have a cascade into your physiology, you know, you know how to take care of yourself. So you’re probably not sick. But you may have had things that you’ve dealt with, because the energetics have to reflect in the body. But now you can see, oh, that’s all based on dialogue. That’s not inherently a truth. That’s powerful. So now my question is, and this is the new world, I said, there’s a wall, you step through the door, and you walk into a new dimension. And I said to you earlier, and in response to your question of what does self love look, like? I said, it’s the absence of something. And this is the absence of something I’m talking to the absence of your diction, the absence to the idea that it’s up to you. So my question is, in the absence of knowing now, that it’s not up to you, in the absence of thinking it is up to you, and this is all going to be generated brand new, because I’m stepping into a new world with you. In the absence of realizing that it’s up to you. That’s gone. What becomes available for Mindy and the way that she would at least feel

Dr. Mindy
the word that comes to me is freedom. Yeah, hence lightness. Yeah, yeah. lightness, enter and more energy. I mean, I have a lot, but that could give me a lot more.

Peter Crone
Yeah, feel energy. It’s not survival energy. Because you’re now tap to source who you are, as an identity was like that cancer cell that has to borrow energy, it’s not its own, a real cell that’s tapped into the intelligence of the body is connected to source. So you have abundant energy versus energy that is feeling like it has to be there because it’s up to me to save everybody. That’s short live, which is why you get exhausted and as I said, were in ways that you may not even know but your physiology will have had you know, kept score have that right? That’s right, in the absence of realizing that you have this cancerous idea of yourself that you’re a separate entity and it’s up to you to keep the peace and you know, now extended into your career that’s gone. Yes, what you’re left with is pure freedom. And here’s the beautiful part. You can now still choose to take care of people. But before it wasn’t a choice, it was a had to

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, or It was it was even deeper than that. I, I feel anxiety. When I say no. Yeah, I feel like it’s like, yeah. So so let me let’s go back to this text and the end some of these people that want me to show up a certain way. Yeah, the thought if I say, okay, that’s an addiction, it’s not up to me, I don’t need to talk to this woman at noon on Sunday, and help solve her problem. I can be free of that where my brain goes, is she’s going to be disappointed. And then I have to go back and be like, but it’s not her happiness is not up to me.

Peter Crone
Right? Yeah, she may well be disappointed. But you’ve also got to recognize that by virtue of the fact that you’ve had this pattern, this addiction, this narrative for over 50 years there about, you also have created a literal world around you of people and circumstances that sustain that. So her disappointment is a natural extension of the relationship you’ve established with her based on your addiction. Yeah, do you see. So what has to happen now, in order for you to create a new worldview to live in is you have to create new narratives with the people around you, certainly those that are important to you to say, Hey, I love you, I care about you. But what I’ve realized is, it’s been a great expense to myself, because I didn’t even know that because of you and you go into whatever detail you want to with people. But because of childhood circumstances, I felt I took it upon myself as though it was up to me to take care of everything and everyone. And that has slowly unbeknownst to myself being killing me, what I want to provide for you is a much more authentic form of healing, which is to help you see that there’s nothing wrong with you. You have some narrative similar to mine that is causing the symptoms that you’re asking me to take care of. And I can do that till the cows come home. But until you deal with why you have the symptoms at a deeper energetic, emotional level, you’re going to constantly need me. And then when I’m not there, you’re going to feel like you’re floundering and you’re disappointed. And that’s a disservice to you as a human being because you’re extraordinary in your birthright is vitality. Do you see that’s an entirely different relationship. But it’s going to take you a while to reestablish those connections with people, the way that people relate to you right now is you’re the source of their salvation. That’s way too much pressure. And it’s a disservice and a disempowering way for them to look at themselves. As I need Mindy to take care of me. I’m not saying that you don’t have great tools and tricks and practices, I talk to somebody to help me with better diet or supplements. But I know that it’s not because I need them. It’s it’s because I want to access optimize and define deeper vitality. There’s nothing wrong with me, right? So that changes do see the energetic exchange now that you have with people as like, you’re extraordinary, be responsible for that shit, and I’ll help you access it. But your greatest gift to me is when you stop calling me because you figured it out. That’s my thought is like the only reason you need me is to show you that you don’t need me. That’s why I say I don’t solve problems I dissolve. Why? Because there’s nothing wrong with you. But right now you think there is and if I help you see that’s a lie, then you get to what I see in you, which is you’re fine. You’re free.

Dr. Mindy
And and where I go with that where my my brain goes is like but then where’s the connection to? I’m a people person, I love to be around people I love to connect to people’s hearts. So, you know, if I guess where my brain literally goes is if they don’t need me, then how will they connect to me. And it will be in a different love

Peter Crone
as opposed to fear. It’s an entirely enhanced version of a connection. You’ve got your relationships based on dependency, which is an inauthentic way to relate to people. Yeah, you there’s a whole world of love and harmony waiting to be discovered for you. And I’m not saying you don’t get glimpses of it. But right now the way that you have constructed unconsciously all of your relationships is based on an energetics of dependency.

Dr. Mindy
So is this like a new love? God say one more Say that again.

Peter Crone
That’s not empowering. It’s not love. So what’s waiting for you in the way that you love people and I love people too. But the way that I relate to people is with more play with more joy with more freedom. Not with I’m here to save you and fix you. Do you see this entirely? Two different worlds?

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, yeah. And is it like a like an a new skill you’re learning it just that as you step into it, you just got to it feels awkward in the beginning, and you just start to kind of notice and play with the pieces.

Peter Crone
Yeah, you, as I said, unfamiliar with the world in which I’m introducing you to, so it’s gonna take practice, but it’s sufficiently revelatory, right? It’s a big deal for you to go Holy shit. I’m 5348 49 years I have lived in the past. isn’t called it’s up to me. And then you see the cascade of impact that that’s had on your life right? Now once you see that anybody who’s tapped into the reason they’re here, which is to be free and to honor their true soul, you’re just not going to play that game anymore. It’s exhausting. It’s unfulfilling. So once you see that, like it’s like, oh my god, like what the hell have I been doing? It’s like this woman yesterday. 60 to three years of chemo, like just devastated no hair bubble or like, thinks she’s gonna die. It’s horrific. But once she saw the whole addiction of her form of prison, her oh my god, she was so sad. She said, She’s wasted so much time. But now she sees something new available. Yeah, I don’t have to worry about doing anything wrong. It was for her. She was so scared of doing something wrong. She’s lived in this cage. And I said, just go out there breathe, enjoy life. If someone’s offended, that’s on them. It’s not that you can’t be responsible for your actions. Like if I’m a dick to somebody. It’s not wrong, but I can be responsible for like, you know what I was? Sure. And I’m tired. I’m sorry that I said what I said, but it’s not like I’m a bad person. Do you see the difference? I guess, yeah, go for my behaviors, but it doesn’t define who I am. So likewise, for you, you still get to help people, you still get to care about people, but on your terms, not because it’s up to you. And you have to, that’s an entirely different relationship. And it’s going to shift not only your physiology, your energetics your emotional state, that won’t be anxiety, you’ll see a phone full of tax, maybe you’ll leave them to tomorrow. Or maybe you’ll say, Hey, I love you. I can’t deal with this right now. But can you check back with me in a couple of days, or I don’t know the way that you communicate? And that will be the practice that then slowly becomes second nature?

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. I didn’t know I didn’t know we were stepping into this today. But the other thing that I love about energetic deep conversations like this, is do you know that I just had this conversation in a different format with a friend yesterday. And it’s, it’s, it’s interesting, because my brain is also going like, wow, you already eat like, it’s almost like the energy had already been set in motion. And then you just stepped in and took it to a new level. So that was amazing, Peter, I had no idea we were going down this path. But that was really cool. So I appreciate your insight, I really do.

Peter Crone
They need to know. But it’s a pleasure to be able to hold space for you. And to have that and intends to be an occupational hazard. If anyone that speaks to Peter grown, I’m going to get to see your lives and where you’re stuck. And it’s a joy to be able to bring especially to someone like you who’s you know, such as still was such an amazing resource for people, the more I can infuse the the inherent freedom that you are into your existence day to day than the more that’s gonna get like shared with the people around you, you know. And so it’s just it’s very, it’s very fulfilling, you know, to help people like you who have done such incredible work to help people but often at your own expense, and to now be able to afford the same degree of care and nurturance as a woman, as a doctor as a caring, loving human. But from a place that is much deeper, much more real, much more profound, and much more healing for you. That that really makes a difference.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, thank you so grateful for you. So I have to remember, we’re not in a therapy session. We’re actually on a podcast now. When we were I don’t know where we were, we are somewhere else. I have one last question for you. And this is something that we’ve been doing in the new season. We’re in season four of this podcast. And every year I pick a theme, and this year, the theme is self love. So which is perfect for this. So my question to you is, what do you feel like your unique gifts are I know this is kind of silly to ask you this at this point. But if you could choose three like superpowers, unique gifts that you feel you really bring to this world, what would those be?

Peter Crone
Freedom, love and possibility. Hmm, yeah. Yeah, might have a byproduct of I would say the more like dynamic superpowers of listening, seeing and caring, listening, and said, really seeing what’s going on and caring to help somebody see the lies of that so they can discover the truth of their own nature, which then brings freedom, love and possibility. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
And I totally can see that in you. I also will tell you that in your presence, you have a very calming way about you. It just feels like a warm hug, just being at the dinner table with you or being around you. And I think that’s such a beautiful way to be and if we could all show up like that. I think it would really be it would be profound for ourselves. And for everybody around us. So thank you so much. And where can people find you, because you’ve got, you’re doing some really neat stuff. And you’ve opened up this new freedom community where people can come in low cost. Talk a little bit about that.

Peter Crone
Thank you. Firstly, I just want to acknowledge your words, because it means a lot to me. And people often do see the same thing in terms of My presence or my energy, like, I could sit next to a stranger on an aeroplane and we get off and they’re like, Oh, my God, like, I’ve never even told my wife, what I just told you, or like, you know, there’s, and I want people to understand that dynamic so that they can bring it into their own lives, which is it’s the absence of judgment, right? Like that I’m holding a space where I know nothing’s wrong, and there’s nothing wrong with you. And so then there’s a safety that people can just share things that otherwise they might have felt awkward or embarrassed to share, right. So if there’s something that you whoever’s listening, wants to afford a loved one, it would be that energy of just don’t make them wrong for anything, don’t judge them, and allow them the author in the space of safety that they can share anything with, with you, especially if you’re a parent, because that, to me, is what kids need more than anything, kids are kids. And it’s so readily these days, and then into this world of inhibition and fear that, you know, they’re not allowed to beat them, you know. So anyway, so in terms of Yeah, the community is brand new, we were just launching at the beginning of December. And I’ve done a couple of masterminds, which are a deeper dive into my work like this. And they’ve been and as a community, and as a result, we saw the power of the community where people, we have an app, it’s beautiful people can share, they can, you know, talk about what they’ve had as woes or what they broken through, then the community just comes in and swarms with love and support, and we’ll get on a bigger scale. So that’s what the freedom community is, you get daily support and connection with like minded people, you get weekly exclusive content from me in terms of videos and quotes. And then as even a monthly asked me anything, and it’s just something we want to grow. So there’s this, literally this new world of humans who function from freedom, love and possibility.

Dr. Mindy
Well, I will tell you that I will be joining it. And I also would definitely want to attend or be a part of one of your masterminds in 23. So let’s chat more about that. But Peter, thank you for your work. I really, I just I love humans that are stepping out of the suffering, and really showing us a new way of being and that’s what I sense. That’s, that’s what I get from you is like, this is a different way to show up in life that most people aren’t seeing.

Peter Crone
Yeah, various, various, it is actually my, if I did have a business vision, it’s to give birth to a new type of human being. Yeah, wow. Fear and limitation, and it’s privileged about to help you at least get a glimpse of that, of course, I just just to share with you, you know, based on 50 years of conditioning, you know, go easy on yourself, those habits will come back and you know, you and I can chat offline sometime, and I can support you. But But you know, it is stepping on beyond the constraints that have bound you. Right. And there is a new world there. And it’s it’s very enticing and something that I want to show the whole world that it’s available to them.

Dr. Mindy
Thank you. Thank you, Peter. And I am sure that many will be helped by this conversation. So I really appreciate you

Peter Crone
know, thank you for your courage to go there too. So again, so in the absence in the absence of the constraint, thinking that who you are is that it’s up to you? Who does Mindy become