LeAnn Rimes’ Health Journey: From Toxicity to Hormone Balance

Dr. Mindy
Welcome to my podcast. Thank you very much. I’m very excited to be here. I’m very honored. Thank you, honestly, wow, you’re You’re too kind.

LeAnn Rimes
I know I listen to your podcasts all the time and learn so much. So I’m just happy to be

Dr. Mindy
here. Well, I’m excited because I think your story has a lot of really deep information for people to learn. And so I appreciate you, you’re so transparent, you’re so willing to share your journey with the world. And it’s just, it’s incredible. And what I think is that your hormones have have a story they want to tell. And that’s what I’m hoping we’re going to tell on this podcast today is LeAnn Rimes hormonal history and how she got 40. In that outfit she’s in. Are you getting? Me?

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, I’m definitely getting I don’t think I’ve ever done an interview from that perspective. So this will be a first and all my 26 years of doing this

Dr. Mindy
amazing way to see what I what I have in store for you. And then I also just want to let our listeners know that, that it’s totally okay to drink dry farm wines on the resetter podcast. So Leanne, and I mean, at a certain point, then, you know, after when you’re, you’re doing this in the afternoon, that’s fair game. So, okay, so let’s start here. This is this is, what’s really interesting to me about people’s hormones is the moment in which they decide that they’ve got to work on them. It’s like, I feel like as women, we forget about our hormones until they drive us crazy enough, that we’re like, holy shit, I’ve got to work on my hormones. So I know the point at which you came to me with that discussion. But my sense is, it was actually a couple of years, even more than a couple of years before that, that you felt like your hormones were off. So let’s start at point,

LeAnn Rimes
I really hadn’t thought about my hormones at all until 39. Because, I mean, it just never really, it never really crossed my mind. Until that 40 to 40 started creeping up. And my mom always used to tell me is a lot of women, I think, are told, like everything goes downhill after 14. And so I just thought there had to be a better way. And then I stumbled upon you through Zack Bush’s podcast and our panel you guys were doing together and I just loved your energy and thought I needed to meet you. And so I started to dig into your work and into your book. And I wanted to just start to I wanted to feel good going into 40. And I knew that there was a lot of things that I had not ever thought about or address. And I know hormones was one of them. And I I’ve, I’ve had an interesting journey with my hormones, I was on continuous birth control for maybe I don’t even know, maybe 15 years, over 15 years. And so which meant I never had a period. So I would just continue to take the next pack of pills. So yeah, cuz I had really bad had really bad periods of heavy, very heavy and everything would swell in me, including my vocal cords. So that was just the I had to cancel shows at times I was in the hospital, just severe pain. And I would lose my voice at time. So that was kind of, you know,

Dr. Mindy
yeah, let’s go growth control was your what? Yeah, and birth control was like your I mean, that’s, I mean, they throw birth control at every female. It doesn’t matter if you’re 65 or you’re 16 Yeah, that’s, that’s the go to more birth control.

LeAnn Rimes
That’s crazy. Like I shut down my body. Basically, I shut down my whole system for a very long time. And then I, I actually started to have a period. My body just wanted to have a period, I think in the end of 2019, which was so fascinating to me, because it was right before we all went into lockdown. So that was like in December and everything happened in March and I just found it so fascinating that my body I think my body knew my body was wanting to shed things. I think it gave me the perfect opportunity to be able to actually kind of allow my body to readjust and I was at home and I was off the constant you know, hamster wheel and when my body started doing that, I thought you know what, it’s time to face whatever is coming up in me. I mean, I’ve I’ve done enough of my own spiritual journey and healing to be able to go, okay, whatever’s happening with the inflammation in my body is there’s an emotional component, there’s a physical component, there’s a spiritual component to that. And I was ready to face whatever that was. Because I’ve, I’ve always put my career and my job and my work before my health. And so it was the first time where I really had the wherewithal I think, and the, you know, the courage to just be like, I come first, instead of my job.

Dr. Mindy
And so the first time you get off birth control, and you decided to try to go back to that, what is that, like at 30? Would have been 38.

LeAnn Rimes
I was 3737 38. Yeah, 37 I, um, I actually was very fortunate. I had a period like, immediately, although I don’t think my nothing was really speaking to each other in my body. But I did, I did go back to normal cycle pretty much right away, which I know is not the usual case for people. And then I started having this roller coaster ride of am I ovulating? Now? You know, ovulation was really tough on me like it’s so can be sometimes. I feel like my PMS was kind of reversed. Where I would get PMS like, right. Yeah, in ovulation, which has gotten a lot better. But yeah, my I just didn’t know what was going on with my body. I was very disconnected with with my cycle, the rhythm of my body. And I was constantly having, you know, with my job. I was constantly having to push through everything. So yeah, I have no idea what was going on. So I was really discovering it was like going through puberty. 37. Yeah, no,

Dr. Mindy
yeah. So let me ask you this, because this is so important for just women’s overall literacy around hormones when you got off that birth control. And you were going back into the natural rhythms of your cycle. Did you know like, what day of your cycle? Ovulation happened? Did you know what hormones came in at ovulation the week before your period? Like did you have any understanding of your cycle and like what was supposed to happen other than you got cramps and bled the week.

LeAnn Rimes
I knew when ovulation happened. But I didn’t. I didn’t know hormones came in when I mean that was all news to me. Like it was it was like learning a new language. But I had I had the bit little bit of knowledge of like when I was supposed to ovulate and what happened like the week before your period, as far as you know, for me, like, you know, cramping and a bit of depression and Lina feeling lethargic, and all that kind of stuff, crying and everything. But I do that on a normal basis. Like no matter what day it is so so yeah, that was really all I knew. It was pretty basic.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, we’re and you know, you’re now now you know, you’re not alone in that, right?

LeAnn Rimes
Oh, yes, I know. I’m not alone. Absolutely. Yeah. I

Dr. Mindy
mean, that’s why I want to make sure that, uh, to highlight that because this is my new cry when I’m giving a speech is I asked the audience like what they know about their hormones. And usually it’s an audience of doctors and they don’t know anything about about hormones and how to time a woman’s lifestyle to it. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s criminal. It’s horrible.

LeAnn Rimes
Well, and that’s the hard part is a woman is timing your lifestyle? Because we’re not really, I mean, we look most of my life like is spent on stage and I would say 90% of the time, there’s a show happening when I’m supposed to be my cycle asking me to go down.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, when your cycle wants you to go hang in the cave and not come

LeAnn Rimes
as and I do, I hang in the back of the bus and make it a cave until I have to come out with my hot water bottle. And, ya know, it’s, it’s, you know, that’s the hardest part, I think, I think for a woman is even though especially when we have the knowledge, I think that can be really frustrating for Type A personality like myself, is that you know, when you have all this knowledge, it’s like, okay, well how do I work around it? And with it, actually, how to work with it. Because I find myself always having to work around it. And it’s, you know, it’s trying to find that balance of even if I have to work how do I still work with what’s happening? Because, you know, that’s, that’s it, that’s the most challenging part because no one’s life really kind of fits into that cyclical rhythm.

Dr. Mindy
Ya know, and I think this is the this is the big challenge for women in general is that we want to do it all but our hormones don’t want us to do it all all the time. And so there’s, they were meant to have more pauses and, and we’ll get into that in a moment but that that is definite One of the biggest challenges I would say, in helping you find your rhythm with your hormones has definitely been like, Okay, well, how do we do that you and I’ve had conversations about like, it’s gonna be a testosterone driven day. And I just want to sit on the couch and eat pizza. And yet I’ve got interviews, and I can’t do that. So then what do we put in place after that to be able to balance your hormones? I think that’s the only way we can really thrive as powerful driven women in this world is we’re going to have to create some kind of buffer after the expense of a big hormonally depleting day. And I think,

LeAnn Rimes
a lot of planning.

Dr. Mindy
Yes, well said Well said, it is,

LeAnn Rimes
but it’s worth it. I mean, at the end of the day, I think, you know, to look ahead and know, I was just going on vacation and a couple of weeks, and I was looking, I was like, Oh, I can eat all the carbs while I’m on vacation. Because it’s the end of my cycle. I

Dr. Mindy
was so happy about that. It lines up. That’s I was gonna say that’s like, I don’t know, like next year, when you go to play on like your next tour schedule, we need to take your cycle and like figure out how to map it according to that. But then you can’t let your cycle change at all. So but that’s exactly what usually

LeAnn Rimes
doesn’t. So we could actually, because I haven’t planned next year completely yet. So I’m glad we’re talking about this, because

Dr. Mindy
let’s do it, let’s do it. Because that’s the biggest thing I’ve told you this before. Like, one of the things that I had to really come to terms with was that I was raised to believe that as a woman, I could do anything I wanted to do, I could do anything a man could do. My mom, even you know, it went as far as to say you’re a woman, you have an opinion, make sure you say it. So. So I was really lucky to be raised by a powerful woman. But what she didn’t really teach me and not to her fault was when to be soft, and when to rest. And when it’s okay, it’s not a sign of weakness, to relax and let your nervous system mellow out. And it’s taken me, you know, well into my 50s. Now to really practice that, and I still I still struggle with it. So. So common, yes, we do have that in common. So cheers. Yeah, but it is fun to tell you how to do it. Right? to quiet down. So here’s what I want to do. This is something that goes through my mind whenever I’m working with somebody, and I don’t, I don’t even know if I’ve really put it in this picture for you before. So I’m kind of curious how this will feel to you. But I like to go all the way back to the beginning. I like to look at what kind of stressors physical, emotional, chemical stressors mom was under when you were in the womb, what was your birth, like what was happening in those early years? Because what I think you’ll see and I, what I think everybody listening will see is that there was a hormonal picture that got created here that had you land into your 30s Incredibly, hormonally depleted and that and it depleted with neurotransmitters as well. So so it’s really interesting when you look at the whole life of somebody, it’s really when we go into those 40s that life reveals itself, and that’s a lot of what you’re experiencing. So So take me back to mom’s pregnancy. Do you do you have any understanding of what her pregnancy was like?

LeAnn Rimes
So yeah, I don’t know a lot about my mom’s pregnancy. I do know she had really bad endometriosis when I was I mean before me. So she was told she could never have kids. And they said she she said that they said she had a one miscarriage but it was so early on. She’s like, I don’t even know if I did. So she was I was kind of her miracle baby basically. And I think it was a pretty okay, pregnancy, although I think she was probably really stressed. Mom’s a worrier. And I think my dad and her at the time, they had been married 12 years, and I think they were they were about to get a divorce when when my mom found out she was pregnant with me. And then I my birth I know I was I was breached. I was turned sideways. I did not want to come out. Please no, no, no. But I came really quickly. They turned me around with forceps and yeah, and I was I was birth I was healthy when it came out. And then that that kind of changed that change pretty quickly.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, so let me ask you before you go into what happened after you were born, I want to point out two things. that you might not know. One is that miscarriages often can be heavy metal toxicity. So whenever we look at at a miscarriage, there’s obviously a genetic, something that went on to make it not viable. So it’s always in some sense, it’s really good that you have a miscarriage but to get rid of that non viable fetus, but when you are have seen heavy metals passed down through the generations, there’s a lot of history of of miscarriages. And I just want to point that out to you, because you and I think you and I’ve spent a lot of time trying to figure out where your heavy metal load comes from. And I think a piece of it definitely could be coming from mom.

LeAnn Rimes
Oh, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So from there, do you want me to go from there? Yeah, keep

Dr. Mindy
going. Yeah.

LeAnn Rimes
From there. i i Yeah. I was diagnosed with psoriasis when I was two, which was very young. I’m still I’m still always amazed at that. Like what caused what caused me to have psoriasis as to I had strep throat. A really bad bout of strep throat and that’s what triggered it.

Dr. Mindy
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I gotta I don’t think I said that. You’re good. Yeah, I gotta. We can’t go leave that alone. Where you put on antibiotics?

LeAnn Rimes
Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Okay.

Dr. Mindy
So before you go on, I just want to point out zero to three, your microbiome is developing. You were it was a vaginal delivery. Right? She didn’t get to see sex. Yes. Okay. So we know you came in with some kind of heavy metal load potentially from from mom. And that’s we all I mean, this is not a, I passed my load down to my children. I mean, my mom passed it down to me, this is part of the generational handoff of of toxicity. But then you came into the world. And then we there was a toxic vacation that happened, including antibiotics and that you and I had been talking about where did the psoriasis get triggered? It could have been in that moment for sure.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And well, I’m still have gut issues. Right? To this day. So you know, I mean, I’ve been through I’ve been through many different rounds of antibiotics in my lifetime, like, a lot. I mean, doctors just throw antibiotics at everything. And every time I’d get sick with the upper respiratory infection, or whatever, it was like, here’s another antibiotic. So yeah, I mean, it started definitely back then. So then, you know, like emotionally? Yes.

Dr. Mindy
So when they when you were diagnosed with psoriasis, what did they put you on medication right away? Yeah.

LeAnn Rimes
So I first got it in my scalp. And then so yeah, they put me on topical. And then by the age of six, I was 80% covered. So I had massive lesions like all over my body, everything but my hands, feet and face. So like my scalp was like a pure scab, who was awful.

I had a decrement treatment when I was six, which is where they wrap you in coal tar and you sit there for six hours for two weeks. And then they tried that at 11. Again, which I had to send me to the emergency room because I had panic attacks. So those are my first panic attacks started early. I’ve been I had I knew what was going on at that time, not at six. And then between that time, they tried I did a lot of topical steroids. I did a lot of topical coal tar. And then in my I would say in my teens and 20s they gave me methotrexate they gave me cyclosporine they gave me I mean like heavy medications for people, you know, that are having like organ transplants and things along those lines. And they tried to treat my car poobah, which was where I would take these pills. And I would stand in front of this light box that would pull the light like further into my body. And it made me so sick, like I mean, all these medications really, you know, affected my immune system tremendously. So I was on the road and had no immune system. And we get sick all the time.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, that’s crazy. So and we’ll come back to the psoriasis thing in a second. So they never really understood what triggered it in those early years, although, and in those Zero to Three is when the microbiome is being formed. So everything you do in those first three years makes all the difference. Do you remember like that? Were you do you know if you’re living in a house with mold or what the environment in your home was like? No, I’ve had any recollection of those first. No, I

LeAnn Rimes
don’t remember mold. I know I had that asked my mom about that. But I came home like I mean, I I think we lived in a trailer like we lived in a Trailer when I was little bitty and then we lived in an apartment complex when I was from like, six to tell about my own house at 1313.

Dr. Mindy
Oh my gosh. Which is like surreal that they even like, right? Yeah. So true. And what at what age did they discover that your voice was great.

LeAnn Rimes
At 18 months old, I could sing like my dad has tapes of me singing when I was 18 months old. And you couldn’t understand a word I was saying. But then I would sing. And it was it was actually like, it was forms I was. I was I think I was actually learning words through music through the songs I was singing because I was so young. And then by five, like my voice was very, very different than most

Dr. Mindy
people fully developed. And so what were your parents musical? Like? How did they listen to their 18 month old and go? Wait a second. There’s something spectacular here.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, my dad played guitar a little bit. And my mom loved music. Like they both loved music. But there was there was nothing. You know, it was nothing like what I did. But yeah, it was it was a very musical household. So my dad and my mom would play. My mom would play Motown, my dad would play country. Like classic rock, and I just gravitated towards that. And I also, I think I gravitated towards the performance and the emotional piece of it, like being able to express myself because I, I grew up in a household where my mom, my mom was very depressed. I mean, she had a hysterectomy, like right after, right after I came out. So wow, she was yeah, there was a she was very attached and probably detached at the same time, if that’s possible. And my dad was incredibly angry and kind of lived in this very anxiety ridden place. So it was, it was not a comfortable household. There was always this kind of push pull of these two very the two things that show up in me now

Dr. Mindy
duality. Oh, I never got ding ding dang little button hit there for me. Yeah, so you know, from from zero to seven, we absorb everything that is in our environment. So all of that is getting stuck in your, in your subconscious mind. Everything that goes on from zero to seven. So I’ve thought about this a lot with you is like you come out with this amazing talent. You’re in a household where there’s a lot of mental anguish, which a lot of lot of kids grow up in, and then you’re catapulted out into the world in this very surreal way. Do you remember like that? What was there a point where you were singing just because it was fun? And then all of a sudden, oh, no, we’re gonna go to singing competitions. We’re gonna like amp this up. Was there like a turning point in that in those early years that you remember that it just changed into Gosh, this is going to be a thing.

LeAnn Rimes
Um, I my dance teacher when I was five, had convinced my mom to put me into a dance competition, a song and dance competition. And I was I was Yeah, I was five at the time. So it was a six and under category and there was no one else that was in the six and under categories. They put me in this seven to 12 year olds. And then I ended up winning like overall in the whole competition as this five year old. And that was my dad was a hunter. So he saw me seeing and then went hunting after and left and then came home to me with this massive trophy that was like five times the size of me. And he asked me at that point, like Is this what you love? And of course my five year old self was like yeah, I mean if I can win a trophy for that. Absolutely. I want a big trophy dad. Right. So i think i think that i There were so there’s so many layers to why I do what I do. I think I think I had a natural gift for it. I think I really did love music. And I also knew that was a way for me to receive love. And so I think at that moment like you know as much as a five year old can say like yeah, I love this. It just kind of went from there and I was always one of those that I was an only I’m an only child so it was you know it’s always like the achieve achieve achieve so I you know, I played softball competitively, I would took piano lessons, I was dancing, I was singing so there’s always something going on. At some point. My parents looked at me and were like, you have to drop something. So I really I remember what I dropped at the time. I think I dropped. I think I dropped dance for a moment. And then eventually like piano, I would not drop softball. Yes, I love softball so much. So yeah, it was it was there was a constant, you know.

Dr. Mindy
So from zero to seven all that programming gets instilled in our brains, and then it plays out the rest of our life. So do you feel like you, you sing now to get love? Yeah.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Well, I absolutely have done that. And there’s always a component to that. But that’s really shifted for me. I know, I had a really quiet crowd. The other night, I told you this, I had a really quiet quiet crowd the other night and I, you know, I feed off the crowd, like I you know, feed off of that energy. And I sometimes will just go to a really dark place if people aren’t giving me that energy back. And I’ll start to spin in my head about, you know, what’s wrong with me? And I’m not, you know, am I not entertaining enough? And all of those things. And I found myself singing for myself at that point. Because, yeah, and I don’t know if I could have done that. Or been in that space or headspace. If I wouldn’t, if I hadn’t already found the sense of love that comes from within. Because it was it was enough for me to want to be good for myself. And that’s amazing. That’s a new shift. Yeah, totally new shift. Because I think I really, you know, search for that validation, externally. And now it’s like, Oh, I could, you know, be singing for nobody, and just want to be good for me and validate myself. And so that’s a, that’s a big shift.

Dr. Mindy
That’s huge. Like, when you told me that the other day, I was like, how many shows have you done and you did one for you? Is like is really amazing. And it’s it? Don’t you wish you could go back to your 20 year old self and tell her that?

LeAnn Rimes
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because I mean, I can’t tell you the times that I’ve been on stage. And I would search out in the crowd, like everybody who looked like they weren’t having a good time, or looked like they don’t want to didn’t want to be there. And it created this narrative in my head about how I was there was something wrong with me. I mean, there was, you know, because I’ve been through so much publicly, and you know, to have my name dragged through the media, like it has been, and at that time, I think that really, that created this perfect storm where I, I did have this, you know, people were coming to the show, obviously, they wanted to be there. But for me, it was like with ever started to look for, for people who judge me, because I was judging myself so harshly, you know, ultimately,

Dr. Mindy
but but this is what happens, I think with those that subconscious programming, is that you look to validate it, and you don’t even realize you’re doing it. Yeah. So like the fact that you that I don’t even think you’ve fully realized what you did on Saturday night, because the fact that you had, like, it’s like it was like a pattern interrupt to your nervous system. I mean, maybe you’ve done this before from stage, but be to be able to say, I don’t need the audience to show up a certain way. I’m gonna do this for me. Have you ever done that in it before? In a in a show? Or is that? Yeah,

LeAnn Rimes
no, it’s a new thing I’ve been noticing a pattern for me is withholding love. And it’s actually very painful. Because ultimately, I think my all of our nature is to is loving. But to have to be in a path pattern where you’re withholding something because you’re afraid that you’re gonna get hurt. So you don’t want to give it out. Because you think ultimately, there’s in my mind, the word that comes up this is I’m going to be destroyed. And so so that noticing that pattern and being able to like you said and abrupt it I’ve I’ve noticed that I’m very aware that the withholding even from stage will it it creates, like I said, these narratives in my head that hurt more than if I just give myself all of myself no matter what is coming back at me. And so if i and it feels good, like it feels good to just know that I did my best with what, what I have at that moment in time. It sometimes means Saturday night when I when I experienced this I was exhausted. I was so tired. I just went through 10 days of tons of promotion for the new album and I had no energy so You know, that’s when I really need that. I thought, well, I thought I did. I need that energy from the crowd to be able to kind of wake me up in the light and live in me. And I was like, No, I just, I’m just gonna do it for me. And, you know, it was and I found people in the audience, that’s the thing, I started looking for people in the audience that were, like, really in it with me, even though even though the whole crowd might not have been, and I started singing to them. And yeah, it was, it was a different experience. And I think that’s just my awareness of the pattern, you know, to be able to be like, Oh, that’s just, that’s a pattern, I don’t have to believe that pattern.

Dr. Mindy
Which is so beautiful. Because I mean, a so many people are unconscious, as we move into our adult years that we don’t even realize that what others have said to us the experiences we had, especially in the zero to seven years, when the subconscious mind is forming it, we play it out the rest of our life, until we actually sit and say to ourselves, is this is this pattern of thought working for me anymore. And what I hear and what you just said, is, okay, needing the audience to be a certain way, needing me to get people to receive me in a certain way, I’m gonna let that go. And I’m gonna, I’m gonna let me serve me. I mean, that is, that’s a huge shift. And I’m really excited to watch as you go through your 40s. Because I think as women, as we get older, we take ownership of our happiness over a lot more. And we start to catch ourselves in those moments where we’re like, I don’t want to break my back to be able to make you happy. I’m gonna make me happy first, and then if you want to follow, that’s wonderful. So

LeAnn Rimes
yeah, I was gonna say, and in turn, I mean, serving myself in the moment and turn, I serve everyone else to be nice. You know, like you said, if you want to join great, and if not, like, you’re still, you’re still getting this, you know, a enlivened piece of me, like you’re still you know, it just, it doesn’t bring me down. And in order to kind of fit the energy. I think that’s a lot of, you know, we talked about energetics so much. And it’s, I think, some especially being an only child and feeling like I needed to match the energetics of my parents in some way in order to receive love. I’ve allowed the energetics of the external and to pull me down so that I can then feel like I’m meeting them in order to receive love. And now I’m like, No, I’m just gonna, like, just gonna give myself love. And if you want to join me in the love fest, and that’s great.

Dr. Mindy
I frickin love that. I love that. I think that’s so that’s such a beautiful awareness to get to. What so when did you win Star Search?

LeAnn Rimes
Oh, my gosh, it was so I didn’t win. I win by first time. I know. Oh, second time.

Dr. Mindy
I went I know in my Lian, right. Oh, well, I

LeAnn Rimes
won the first time. And then I lost my second time. The funny story about that I was there was the song that I was doing. And there was there was a key change in the song and they had it like three beats off from where the record was, or what how I normally did it. And they wouldn’t change it. And so it just like threw me into this loop of I was just terrified because I was afraid I was gonna miss it. And I just didn’t, yeah, it just didn’t work. Right. And then I came offstage. And my, my godmother was like, let’s go to Disneyland. And I’m like, Cool, and everything was better. So

Dr. Mindy
that wasn’t that wasn’t the that wasn’t the singing contest that launched you

LeAnn Rimes
know, so I there was no real contest. I I started singing at local operators in Texas when I was seven, like every Saturday night, and I made a little demo tape when I was nine, I guess. And that got basically circulated through all the blockbuster music stores when there was blockbuster music stores blockbuster. Yeah, Blockbuster music stores. And so and then I made another little demo tape when I was 11. That was my was blue was my first song that was on that and that got picked up by a label and they just kind of got in their hands. And that’s how it all happens. But yeah, I know our big you know, like American Idol. All those things are so huge enough to be discovered. But Star Search was it back then? Yeah, I felt it was a good fail.

Dr. Mindy
Yes. And big man. I remember watching Star Search as a kid. And surely, you know, I’ve never asked you this. You should be like an American Idol judge like or something like that, for God’s sake. If anybody deserves that, then should you do so it’d be fun.

LeAnn Rimes
We’ve talked about that before. So we’ll see. Maybe that’ll happen one of these days. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
you’d be great at it. So okay, and And how old were you when you want to grant two Grammys?

LeAnn Rimes
That was 14?

Dr. Mindy
Okay, so I’ve never asked you this question. But you’re 14 years old, the world is like super excited about you. And you’re at the Grammys, thinking you could win. But I’m trying to think of this from a 14 year olds perspective. Yeah. How do you like how do you even do you understand the magnitude of what that award is at that time?

LeAnn Rimes
No, not at all. And I was sick with 104 fever and flu that night. And I, they told me, so no country artists and no country had ever won best new artist. And, of course, I was 14, too. So everybody was thinking I would win anything that might and I remember asking my publicist, I was like, should I think of something to say? And they’re like, No, we, you know, they were just really honest, like, probably won’t happen. I’m like, Well, then why am I going because I’m, like, I’m sick as a dog. I wish there was cold outside. I remember that. In the limo, there, I had my face pressed up against the window, because it was I was so sick, because it was cold. And I felt good. And I get there, and they have a pre awards, and I was up for best vocal performance for blue. And I won that. And they were like, Well, maybe you should think of something to say, in case. Yeah, in case and so I did. I won that award. And I don’t remember anything from that night except for being really ill. And it just being like, this world when I have to watch when I watched footage of it, like I can vaguely, like recall that moment, but my Yeah, my my parents were going through a divorce at that time. Like, right when that happened. I I remember all all the bad things.

Unknown Speaker
It’s like, like a good teenagers.

LeAnn Rimes
It’s like looking for the people in the audience that are that don’t love me. Um, it’s yeah, it’s that that piece of my brain that that’s what it recalls is, you know, illness and divorce and, but I mean, it was an incredible moment. And no, I didn’t understand the magnitude of that. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Did you get like, why all the adults around you were like, holy shit. This is amazing. Like, everything exciting off of there, like adult knowledge of what had just gone on?

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that probably was the case. But it was like, I mean, that time of my life. I was, you know, I was doing four hours of school homeschooling a day. I was doing interview after interview, and then going on stage and performing every night. So like, my schedule I had, there was no room to think,

Dr. Mindy
at all. Interesting. And maybe not even to experience joy. Yeah, yeah. No,

LeAnn Rimes
I mean, my joy at that, at that moment in time was like, I would go to the mall on my day off, but you know, or, and which was insane. Because I don’t know how I thought that, like, no one would recognize me it was it was chaos everywhere that I went. Or I would put on my rollerblades and like skate around the arena that we were, you know, touring in. But that was normal to me, like did not till you know, not till I had my stepsons around me, who were two and six when I was first in their lives, like once the oldest hit 11. I understood, like that’s when I signed my record deal. So I had no, I had no form of reference, really. And he told them to go, Oh, that was like incredibly abnormal. Right.

Dr. Mindy
Wow. And so what what if we’ve talked a little bit about your dopamine system at that point? And I actually prior to this interview, I you know, I’m like, super fascinated by neurotransmitters right now. And so I wanted to go back and look at like, when did it when does the dopamine system come in? When does the serotonin system come in? So check this out. So this is this is this is you got everybody’s getting a little behind the scenes of how you and I chat with each other. But GABA, the calming neurotransmitter is actually formulated in the womb. So that whole system actually comes in the womb and you start to get the the development based off of moms.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, well, that explains a lot because my mom is such a worrier. And check

Dr. Mindy
this out. So the two precursors for GABA at that time are glycine and glutamine. They help make GABA. So if mom’s deficient in GABA, that in those two things, she’ll be deficient in GABA. She’s a worrier. So she’s using a lot of GABA, you’re in the womb, and your GABA system is developing. Guess what two amino acids are missing and your most recent tests those? Yeah, I almost sent you a message today and was like, oh my god, another puzzle. He’s like, I don’t think you’ve had enough to make GABA from the beginning which I know that you know, anxiety has been a pretty common experience for you.

LeAnn Rimes
But if I if I really think about my anxiety, like, you know, between between the psoriasis and then, like, I would have reoccurring nightmares. It’s a child like I’d never, you know, I slept I slept with my mom until I was 11 because I couldn’t like I was afraid people were gonna come get me in the middle of the night. Like I had a real

Dr. Mindy
I have no GABA, I had no GABA. Yeah, and then and then check this out. So So from like, zero to 13 your nervous system that is being developed is the sympathetic nervous system. It’s not until you actually go through puberty that the parasympathetic starts to kick in. So it’s good. Yeah, a little bit. Like, if you think about like you were in this real environment with all these adults swirling around you I can only imagine like what was going through their head and you know, all the ways that they wanted to, you know, see you as a human your career at this young age, but you’re you had no GABA, your dopamine. Dopamine comes in, usually from about eight and under, we have the most amount of dopamine and serotonin and then it slowly depletes after that. So I’ll also wonder if your serotonin and dopamine system were already getting drained. I mean, you and I have talked about this like a Grammy winning a Grammy had to be like a massive dopamine rush and then after that had to be kind of sucky. Can you remember how you felt couple days afterwards?

LeAnn Rimes
I don’t at that point, but it’s funny because I you know, I just released my new album and I as soon as midnight struck in the album was out. I could already feel the come down. Oh, there Yeah. And I remember we went to dinner that night. And I was like, we went back to the room and I looked at it and I was like, I hate this feeling. Because I it’s hard because it’s you joyous I’m so happy it’s out there. But then the feeling of the come down and it happens I mean, it happens every time I go on stage. Yeah, there’s a calm down after and it’s like a crash and it feels like it feels like it feels drug induced. Yeah, you know and it’s not it’s just but it feels like it’s it’s drug induced and you there’s always this come down in this crash. And then you know, I wake up the next morning and have to like try to get myself revved up again and so I just I just experienced that hardcore crap crashed from such a big like, you know, defining moment for me and I can only imagine like think about how many of those have been through in my life. I mean, luckily luckily there’s been many but yeah instant roller coaster Yeah, I

Dr. Mindy
mean, when I I’ve thought about this a lot that your nervous system is chemically addicted to this life that was created for you. And so as you are taking back your life and being like this is the way I’m going to live it then there’s a taking back of those chemicals as well. And what you and I’ve talked a lot about

LeAnn Rimes
and then I don’t create them at this moment or I’m creating less of them or

Dr. Mindy
you’re creating less of them. But it’s like you know dopamine is like anything else that we’re addicted to it’s like in order to get off the addiction there has to be a little bit of a letdown and but yet navigating what does that let down look like? I think is has been really is interesting for all of us but especially for someone like you who has been had these so many dopamine rich moments that how at 40 years old do you just sit on the couch because there’s no dopamine on the couch?

LeAnn Rimes
But Can there be Can Can my couch up for me? I was just thinking I was we’re talking about this I’m like can couch time become a piece of like, my dopamine hit? Because I have never I haven’t had it. You know, bring the couch. Totally bring chocolates.

Dr. Mindy
I love where you’re going with this. Go? Yeah, no, no, I’m just thinking

LeAnn Rimes
like, could that I wonder how we create dopamine in that situation? Because it is very, like, you know, my couch time. I really love being on the couch. But it’s what I lay down like my body goes into my body basically goes into fight or flight because it thinks like what the hell are you doing? Right. You know, there’s so much to do.

Dr. Mindy
I mean, that’s that’s so you know, that has been like the really interesting. Aha, for me watching your life is been that you’ve got this mixture of hormones and well we’re getting into that narrative of it. And you know trying to rebalance your hormones rebalance your, your dopamine and serotonin and GABA system and then rebalance your nervous system. But you know, where other kids as they grew up had like high moments, and then relaxation, high moments and the relaxation, you had more dopamine, like sympathetic nervous system moments, then then a growing child should have, yeah, there’s

LeAnn Rimes
no there was no relaxation. And I was just noticing doing all of this press that I just did for the album, you know, when I had like, I basically had, I had three shows. And then I had three days on, like, intense press, and interview after interview after interview, and I would go home at night and have no way to relax, like nothing does it, nothing will help me I my sleep, like my heart rate still elevated like everything is because my body’s still in fight or flight. And I The great thing is, though, when I was done with it, I have noticed, I noticed the crash. And I also noticed that I have my just normal level of anxiety, not like the extreme level. So I recognized I was able to recognize that my body was actually coming out of that fight or flight. And that to me is my normal baseline. Yeah, but I and I also recognize how intense that fight or flight became, in that situation. And I think back to my early childhood, and that’s how intense it was all the time. All the

Dr. Mindy
time. Yeah, I can’t even imagine. I mean, I think very few of us have any reference point as adults, we have reference point but not as a child when you should be out playing in the in the neighborhood. And experiencing joy that was you know, you had a different level of joy.

LeAnn Rimes
Different joys. Yeah. I think of it. If I really think there’s anyone that can you know, anybody who’s been in like an ED daily kind of, it feels like a war zone. I’ll like, I’ll equate it to that it feels like your body is in a is in a war zone at all times. Yeah. And it doesn’t know how to come out. And I noticing like, we’re saying like this, that noticing the crash and then being able to kind of come back to a baseline. I’m like, oh, there is a there is a flexibility even though my baseline doesn’t feel completely comfortable. Or relaxed it there is a lower baseline than what I think I was living in.

Dr. Mindy
And do you feel like now, you know, your start, at least you’re starting to see that. And then you’re gathering the tools on what you need to be able to practice parasympathetic to, to be aware of when that nervous system needs to relax.

LeAnn Rimes
Just take a really deep thought Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I Yes, I have tools to be able to help myself relax, although some times I will feel like in the my nervous system is so deeply foundationally programmed in this way. That I don’t think I know, yet. I’ll say yet. What a real relaxed, like, quote, unquote, normal nervous system feels like

Dr. Mindy
it’s common. It’s yeah, I am held back determined to make sure. And yeah, and you know, the other part of what happens in those years, if you look at when your life was catapulted into everybody’s public eye, is that that’s also the time you’re supposed to get your parasympathetic nervous system maturing. So there’s a lot of conversation about people saying, well, my, you know, my teenager sleeps all the time and doesn’t pick up after themselves. And they’re, you know, they move so slow. And what they often is not well understood is that that’s what’s supposed to happen in the teenage years. There’s a map a maturing of that parasympathetic nervous system, and that’s what your teenage child is doing. You didn’t get that opportunity. So you’ve got to go at 40 now and really work on on practicing parasympathetic, almost like a teenager would, and go back and retrain that. And you know, it’s easy for people listening to go well, yeah, you know, I didn’t grow up as LeAnn Rimes. But there are people who were, you know, sexually assaulted at that age that grew up

LeAnn Rimes
in trauma, any kind of trauma. Yeah, yeah. Any kind of traumatic situation where on a daily basis, there was a continual fight or flight response. And really interesting too, because I go into freeze too. You know, if you can’t fight or flee you, you freeze and so there’s a and I you know what I equate relaxation two is normally a freeze response. Because I feel like if I relax too much, there’s no drive out of it. So my anxiety and that that fight or flight actually feels like what stimulates me to, to shoot to do in the world? Yeah, so yeah, so anytime I crash and go into what I perceive as a freeze response, because my freeze response and my relaxation are so intertwined, I fear that place. Yeah, because I feel like, Oh, I’m gonna just, I’m gonna get eaten alive by this relaxation thing, and I’m gonna just never be able to move from it.

Dr. Mindy
So you know, you and I’ve talked about the polyvagal theory that the way that stress should happen is we should have stress, we should go into sympathetic, and then we go into parasympathetic and relax, and then we go into sympathetic, and then we go into parasympathetic. And we should be in and out of those all the time. But what you’re just describing is that you went to that next layer of a nervous system, the freeze one, and that’s where we want to withdraw, we want to numb ourselves with food, alcohol, drugs. It’s where we complete the opposite of sympathetic, we completely withdraw, which is what it sounds like. Again, I just want to point out that, in this day and age, we’re seeing so many teenagers go through that they’re constantly in that freeze nervous system. So just being aware of it is really important, and, and pulling yourself out of it in that moment, and being like, I’m going into freeze, but I really need to be going into parasympathetic. How do I get there and having tools to that is what I know you’re learning to do?

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, I’m just gonna say that’s still, I’m still learning. Although, if I really think about it, you know, actually had my trainer today was she’s she was commenting on the fact she’s like, your energy levels very different. After you come home from, you know, these long periods of time of being on the road, she’s like, you usually would have like, zero energy, and I know you’re tired, but you have more energy. And, you know, like, I’m noticing, like I said, the, I’m, I’m not going into complete freeze, I am allowing myself to have the crash, feeling a little bit uncomfortable on the crash, and then letting myself sleep. I take naps now. Like I’m able to, you know, I’m able to, I mean, these are tools now that I’m able to kind of, I’ve starting to train myself to go into that parasympathetic state instead of freeze and just recognize that, hey, I’m tired. And I’m going to do what I can with what I have today and not try to force myself, you know, any further past that, I think is a huge thing. Because I was constantly like, trying to get, you know, to get myself out of that free state. I was, I was pushing myself way further than I ever could. And you

Dr. Mindy
can’t push yourself out of freeze. That’s the thing. And that’s like, the thing about well,

LeAnn Rimes
I’m like, I’ve done it a few times. I mean, I’ve that’s the thing, like, I think I’ve had to override my body in so many ways, but I found ways to get myself out of that state. And that the the way is the anxiety. I think that’s what I’m

Dr. Mindy
out. Yeah.

LeAnn Rimes
energy out of freeze.

Dr. Mindy
Right. Yeah, that’s, that makes so much sense. And I’m going to tell you, you you’re doing way better. Yes. Relaxation than when I first met you. Like, I remember you were like, What do you want me to do? sit on the couch. That’s like, yeah, so you’ve definitely gotten better at that. But, but I see everything through the lens of your nervous system and your and your hormones, your neuro chemical system. And I always think, God, you were just set up for failure with when it comes to relaxation in this surreal world that you live in doubt, even down to, I’ve thought about you talked about, you know, you want to roller skate around around the neighborhood. And now people are recognizing you like, what is that talk a little bit about what that’s like, you go out into the world. It’s not like, you’re not like, I don’t know what it’s like now. But for all those years, it’s like a constant amping up of the nervous system. You’re just trying to go out and be a normal human and people are recognizing you. And

LeAnn Rimes
yeah, it’s still that way. You know, I think as a child, what got formed in that way was that I was a child and I was a cute little girl and I had to be nice, you know? And I couldn’t tell anyone No, and I couldn’t I couldn’t stop people from taking a photo or asking for an autograph. You know, there were no boundaries. And so now that system is still in place. But I’m better about boundaries, you know, with people and but I’m, it’s still you know, now you have people like taking have pictures of you with their camera phones, like from a distance. Which is really the only time at every amount of people I see people doing that I’m like, you know, you can ask, right?

Dr. Mindy
Like, if you get a long line of people like so,

LeAnn Rimes
I would rather people come up to me and talk to me that I was like, no, but someone’s sneaking a photo, it just seems like because I think also, you know, I’ve been, you know, I’ve been followed with, I’ll get followed by paparazzi all the time. And it’s like, they’re, they’ll hide in the bush, they’ll hide in their car. And like, it always feels like I mean, spied upon, right. And so I would rather have like, a conversation with people or like kind people like, come up and say, Hello, then this spying upon is what has always put my nervous system into like this into fight or flight because you’re constantly like looking over your shoulder and, and that, you know, now as with phones and people in social media, that’s become even more of a thing. And so, yeah, I mean, my anonymity is, it’s, it’s, I’ve never had any that I can remember. So that definitely has put me in a very awkward place, this feeling of having having to be guarded. But that’s also you know, like I said, to have a boundary now and to be like, you know, it’s 530 Can we just am Can we just say hi to each other, it’s so nice to meet you. I don’t feel like I don’t feel up for it. Like, I’m, I’m able to say that now. Where as a kid, like, it was always like, they’re gonna think you’re really mean, if you, you know, if you don’t give them what they want. Yeah, so that’s shifted.

Dr. Mindy
I think that’s a really polite way of saying everything that you just said, but I feel like from a nervous system standpoint, I don’t know you’ve made me really think about how we interact with our celebrities. Because it’s, you know, it’s your nervous system, every time you go out, if somebody’s going to be like, take a picture, paparazzi is going to jump out at you, they’re going to recognize you your nervous system is never able to relax, even going to the frickin grocery store. And I think that’s that is that’s, that’s unfair. You know, like, I mean, I’m, this is where I like, you know, the mama bear in me kicks in, because I feel like you’ve already given so much to the world. And we’ve all benefited from your beautiful voice. And whether it’s you or an or our favorite actor or somebody else, the fact that we feel like we want to talk to you, when we see you out in the world is almost, I mean, this is just me, I feel like it’s a little bit of a level of disrespect, because you deserve to be able to go out into the world and have a calm, nervous system and not constantly be bombarded. But can anyone

LeAnn Rimes
go out in this world and have a calm nervous system? I don’t care if you’re celebrity or not. I feel like Hey, babe, I feel like we, you know, we just are we’re in this world where if we go out the door, we’ve been programmed, you know, to think it’s good point, we’ve been programmed to think that everyone is against us that everyone’s bad. Everyone’s lying. Like, I mean, really, this is, that’s a world I grew up in. I’m sure a lot of other people grew up in that too. And it’s, you know, I’ve had to retrain myself and honestly, at from a celebrity point of view, like, I will, like I said, I know I have boundaries. Now. I know, I can say no, which knowing I can say no, kindly, is a really big, like, like weight off my shoulders. And I feel like I you know, I feel like I have really good people around me that protects me too, which is nice to have around that actually set a boundary when I sometimes can’t. And, and I feel like you know, being out in public. Yeah, I feel like it’s Yeah, I think it just as a human being these days, like we have so many stressors, stressors coming towards us. And it’s, I’ve had to reprogram my mind, to see the good in people to, you know, to give people the benefit of the doubt to know that we’re all good. We’ve all had our traumas, to know that we all react from the traumas. And I have even though there’s a child in me that is still keeping up a wall, I make a really I make an effort to know that that’s playing in the background, because I think, like I said, it’s so foundational for me that that tape is still running or that it’s not even the mental tape. It’s the energetic tape. The energetic tape is still running, although I am choosing to allow that to run and still be present with people on the world. Because there was a time and I’ll still go through it sometimes like I won’t look people in the eye because I know if I look up like somebody’s gonna be like, Oh, hey. So, but now I will. I want to Like, I want to connect with people like I want to know, I don’t need them to recognize me or connect in that way. I just want to smile at people. And I want to, like, I want, I think I want people to know that they’re not alone. And sometimes I feel very lonely being on the road. And it’s like, I need to see people’s eyes. I did. I mean, think about like, all we went through with the masks and like not being able to, I would smile underneath my mask and be like, no one can see me and I just wanted to feel good today. So I yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s just part of our world. And we have to consciously make the effort to reshift. That programming. Because it’s the what we’ve been fed all of these years.

Dr. Mindy
And what I hear in all of that is when we come celebrity or not in admiration of our celebrities, or not just to humans interacting with to, to humans, if we can come with kindness and compassion. And I’ve really learned this in my own life of like, when I’m interacting with somebody, I know that I’m not just interacting with the face, I’m seeing in that moment, I’m interacting with somebody who’s cried their eyes out on the worst days, who might have some traumas that have maybe hasn’t been really interesting, some interesting story that I can learn from, like, there’s a, there’s a history when I’m interacting with another human. And I have so much compassion for that history, because I don’t know what it is. But it’s that history that that they bring to the interaction with me. So if they are edgy with me, I always think I don’t know what their day was, like, I don’t know what their childhood was like. But I do know that I can, I can, I can not react to the to the energy that they’re giving me, I can give them a smile, I can show up as kindness. And I can try to make their day better. And I think what I hear from you is if if we just when we see our celebrities that we love out there, if we just approach them with that same level of love, and appreciation that would make it much easier as someone in your position to be able to receive it and have this really cool human experience is that

LeAnn Rimes
yeah, absolutely. I mean, I love having those experiences with people when it’s on that kind of level. Especially, you know, people share stories with me all the time of how something I recorded or something I did, like, affected them and has changed their life or and you know, like, I’ve had to learn how to receive that because it’s, it comes at me often. And because I’ve had such a wall, I’ve had to, I can’t let it in and now and now I can. But it’s yeah, it’s, uh, it, I think we we really have kind of blocked out the human side of our celebrities for so long. And then we want, we want to cancel everyone because of their humanity. And it’s like, okay, we need to find this common ground that just because someone has a gift and a talent and famous, you know, doesn’t mean they’re any less human. And so, I think I think that it’s starting to change. I know that that’s part of I feel like that’s part of my work in this world is bringing my humanity to my celebrity. You know, it’s you, I felt very much like I’ve had these kind of two sides of myself, especially as a child. And now, like, my, my journey has been to create this one whole self of where I feel like, you know, LeAnn Rimes is also the end, and it’s all one. It’s all one consistent, human. And so, and that feels so good. Speaking of feeling good to my nervous system, it’s like that feels good to my nervous system, because it’s, I’m not having to fracture myself in order to do my job, or in order to be out in the world are ordered to do an interview. So it’s, you know, and that’s still kind of congealing. Forming. But that’s been, you know, my last several years of my life has been becoming that one whole human.

Dr. Mindy
I just love that. Okay, talk to me about your let’s go to 1314 what your How old were you when you started your period?

LeAnn Rimes
I was 10. Oh, you were 10.

Dr. Mindy
And do you remember the day you started your period? I

LeAnn Rimes
did everything young? Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, no, I started at my grandmother’s funeral. Oh, that’s right. Yes. Which is really trippy. Trippy and symbolic? Yes. Very, it was right before my 11th birthday. She passed away and I started at her funeral. And yeah, I I always wanted I was always wanting to shave my legs as a kid. I was like, I wanted I wanted to be a woman. Like I really wanted that piece of my life. Yeah. Um, So I remember, you know, it not being a really big deal. Like in my family, we didn’t really discuss it a lot like there was, I don’t remember much discussion around it like I had, you know, sex ed when I was in like fourth grade. But that was basically the time I was starting my period. So it was just what every

Dr. Mindy
woman got everyone, by big, like, what is going on? Stop making the gym teachers teach us said, so. But did you have the relationship with your mom where you can be like, Hey, I know your mother just died. But I just started my period. Or, you know,

LeAnn Rimes
I had, I didn’t talk to her much about it. I talked to my dad more about it than my mom. Yeah. Like my dad took me to get, you know, pads at the store. And it was all, which was kind of weird at the same time. You know, I remember my sex talk was like, my dad dropped, my dad drove my bus. And he, I was upfront with him one night, and he basically was just like, so because I was now in two boys like, you know, 14. And he fumbled on the conversation about sex. And it was kind of like, you know about that, right? And I’m like, Yep, I know. Yeah, that’s it. That was like, that was a conversation. It’s not like,

Dr. Mindy
as a parent, it’s not an easy one to have. No,

LeAnn Rimes
you gotta be careful. And that was, that was it? You know, I never had there was there was never a discussion and my family about it. And if I, if I did have a discussion was with my godmother, and then I would come back and told my parents that what she told me, and then she would get in trouble. So it was always like, very, it was always very shameful. There’s so much shame around being a woman and sex and my body.

Dr. Mindy
Okay, but then the opposite of that is this beautiful teenager that is on stage singing some very mature songs, is there? Is there an inconsistency that shows up in you, for sure, and you’re like, a sex symbol on stage, but then you get offstage. And there’s a more of a Puritan message given to you? Yeah, there

LeAnn Rimes
was, you know, I was pretty wholesome. You know, kind of America’s sweetheart until, you know, like 17. And I did Cody ugly and kind of everything went down. But I, that’s when I first had my, you know, my first that was the launch into like, six cells. And I was very uncomfortable with that, and very uncomfortable with being projected upon as, you know, a sex symbol in any way as I got older. But then those first few years was, you know, it was this kind of very, very pure young girl, and people didn’t want to see me grow up from that. And they had a really hard time with it. And there was very much a timestamp of in people’s minds of who I was. So honestly, only in the last probably, like, I would say, five or six years that I feel like people actually allowed them to grow up.

Dr. Mindy
That’s crazy, if you think yeah,

LeAnn Rimes
which is really messed up. As far as like, from my mind. Yeah. The shame around, you know, coming into my own as a woman and, you know, trying to keep myself this little girl in some way because I think that’s what people want. Yeah, you’re trying to end Yeah, and then then going through, you know, when Eddie and I that got together very public affair, and that was like, I think that was my like, burning down the whole that whole piece like that was unconscious. But I can look back now and be like, oh, there was a very that was a choice that that kid like needed to make in order to burn that down. Because that was really the only way of severing you know that that idea that people had in their mind it’s me then then it took all of that to go through you know them now allowing me to kind of oh, now we see you as a as a 40 year

Dr. Mindy
old woman right? As a regular as a regular human woman. You’re not like a mermaid or like a little Barbie doll.

LeAnn Rimes
Exactly. That’s what it felt like first but

Dr. Mindy
I also think from a toxicity standpoint, you and I have talked about this like the number of beauty products they’ve put on you the you know the amount of synthetic environment your and just all the chemicals you have breathed in you know you I remember one of the things you told me was that they put like, I think veneers on you when you were like in your in your teenage years, they like being Yeah, to make you look a certain way. And now when I look at you, I just see this really natural woman and how long did it take you to get your authentic like, look back? Yeah,

LeAnn Rimes
it I mean, there’s always been, I feel like some sort of something I was fighting when it comes to I mean, I think everybody does in this now. Not only celebrities, but I think women, you know, we think we have to be our we have to, we have to be more than what we are. Yeah. And, you know, I, I went through a phase of like using Botox for a moment, like in my early 30s. And then I found the facials is genius, and I haven’t put anything in forever. So and I’ve, you know, I’ve, I accept these things about myself now, and I want to, you know, age gracefully, but it’s taken, it’s taken all of 40 years to like, feel good in my own skin. Yeah, I think last was it last year, year before, I posted an Instagram photo of me with psoriasis on my body, which I had talked about psoriasis for a long time, but no one had ever seen me with it, because I had been on biologic drugs forever. And then I came off the biologics. And because I thought maybe my body was in a different place. And I was fine for about two years and the pandemic hit and the stress of the pandemic, just, I broke out everywhere. And I thought, you know, I’m gonna take this moment and actually show people that I number one new habit, and I want, I know, so many people are going through it, I wanted them to feel less alone in that moment. And it gave me this opportunity to like to show the young piece of me that they were safe, even with this on my body. And I think that moment in time was really when I started to reclaim my own sense of what’s beautiful to me, and how I can show up in the world. And it doesn’t have to be polished and perfect all the time. I can still be loved in all my forms. And so I think that was a real defining moment, because there was a child forever, you know, this, this little piece of me who covered up everything, every part of my body, because that was afraid to be seen. So, you know, I was 30, I guess, 38 when I really started to reclaim that for myself,

Dr. Mindy
which is amazing. And I’ve told you this before that and I know you know, this is like, every time you stand up and you take ownership over your authentic self, you give 1000s probably millions of women permission to do the same. And you can do it at the at the number of eyeballs on you, you can do it at such a big scale. And I don’t mean that as pressure. I mean that as it’s it’s just beautiful to watch. Because, you know, one of the things I feel when I watch women is that we are all putting masks on. We’re all trying to be something that we have a parent has set a high bar for us or society has had a set a high bar. And I feel like as I age, the more the less I’m willing to do anything to anybody else’s agenda, because it’s just frickin exhausting. So great. When like someone like you when you know LeAnn Rimes stands up and says, I’ve got psoriasis, deal with it, this is what I got. Everybody else gets permission to do the same. And, you know, I see a culture where as women, we all do that we stand up and we stop trying to be the Instagram perfect person. And we’re like, This is who I am. This is just who I am. Some days. I’m like this some days. I’m like that. I just see that as freedom for women.

LeAnn Rimes
I agree. I mean, I think freedom is the word that for me is driving this part of my life. More and more. I mean, like, look, I still wear hair extensions. I still do things like I but I what I found that I asked myself where it’s coming from, like, do I am I needing this because I feel like I have to live up to an expectation or, for me, like hair extensions make my life easier because I can braid my hair and then be done with it. It has WAV and I’m like, I’m dead. Yeah. So it becomes like, you know, when I have to be doing what I’m doing stuff all the time, it’d be this becomes like a an easier thing for me. So it’s I’m constantly asking myself, like, why am I doing laughing? Because if it’s coming from this place of me feeling like I’m trying to live up to an expectation. I start to go okay, well, let me let me reassess that. And sometimes there’s can be a mixed bag in that. But once again, it comes back to the awareness of Oh, yeah, that that is still there. For me. I still feel like I need that. And, and, and sometimes it’s really just out of like, you know, it feeling it being a bit of ease for me in my life. And and you know, there’s like I’ve shown up, I don’t wear I don’t wear heels anymore, I would say a rarity. And if I even if I were on a red carpet, it’s like they come off at the end like I’m barefoot most of the time. It’s all about comfort for me and you know, feeling like feeling good. That’s the thing. For me, it comes from how I always ask myself the question of how does this make me feel because I used to not care what I felt it was how it looks. Yeah. And, you know, I grew up in a household where that was very important. And I think we, yeah, how we looked, you know, how it looked to someone else. And so now it’s like, okay, well, if it’s, if it’s making me feel good. I don’t really like once again, you can come along for this ride or not.

Dr. Mindy
Right, right. Or what about it mean to your duality idea? What if you like, I can be Lian sit on the couch with like, you know, my sweats on and I’m totally happy. Or I can be Leann like, dressed up, you know, ready to go perform and be totally happy. Though I do that, yeah, I can exist, and they can be really wonderful.

LeAnn Rimes
But they can, but why are you dressing up? Ah, that’s me. That’s why That’s what I asked myself is Why do I feel like do I feel like I have to dress up? Or am I dressing up? Because I want to dress up? That’s a huge question that I asked myself all the time. And it’s, is it coming from inside of me? Is it you know, because I There are times when I have wanted to get like all dolled up and like, feel really good. And that way? Because that is a piece of me. Like, I enjoy that. But is it coming from the enjoyment of it? Or is it coming from the you know, the hack, too?

Dr. Mindy
Right? Yeah, it’s, it’s and why do we like why do we put makeup on? Why do we dress a certain way? Like when we actually choose clothes, like and choose to look a certain way? Is that a conditioned response? I mean, these are all?

LeAnn Rimes
Yes, it Yeah. Most of the time it is until you start to ask yourself these questions. You don’t see how conditioned we are? Yeah. And then can you like for me, especially around clothing? Like I you know, can I show up in a way that other people that is opposite of the way people expect me to show up and still feel loved? And? And enough? Yeah, you know, I mean, that is, and I think COVID You know, during during the whole pandemic, I think it really gave me the opportunity to start showing up in a different way. And recognize that I don’t have to be LeAnn Rimes in all its glory in order to still be the end. Right.

Dr. Mindy
Right. Right. Yeah. The sweat pants tour. I’m still waiting. We are

LeAnn Rimes
we’ve literally just talked about it the other day. And everybody can come in sweatpants. Yeah, I’m still beautiful. I don’t think about it.

Dr. Mindy
You need to invite jewel because I follow her on Instagram. And she likes I freaking love that woman. Like, she shows up in the airport. And she’s like, look at what I put on. Like, I can’t believe it. I’m like, I can’t believe not only did you put that horrific outfit on, but you’re on Instagram owning it. It’s so beautiful to watch and all her uniqueness.

LeAnn Rimes
I think that’s a good idea. Maybe we should do the sweat pants tour. That would be really fun.

Dr. Mindy
You definitely gather all the artists that are been dying to wear sweatpants. Like the leader of the pack. I just love it.

LeAnn Rimes
It’s like the new Lilith fair. But what’s Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Fair. So, let’s finish up on this thought. It’s kind of a big thought. But talk a little bit about what we’ve been doing with your health this year. You know, I I don’t know. I’ve never really told you this. But when you first reached out to me, I haven’t really I didn’t really follow your career. You know, I knew your name. And growing up in LA, you know, it was like, I kind of knew celebrities to be a little high maintenance

LeAnn Rimes
and I maintenance Don’t worry Voxer at four in the morning like midday. My hormones.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, but you know what, I this is what I owe. I will continue to say about you. You are so kind you are so grateful. It’s never felt like work to to answer your Voxer like you just come with such heart that it just is easy for me. But I didn’t think I would go into this experience like that. I do you remember like when when I met you I was like you’re white? You do some things and call me in a month. And you had this like look on your face like Are you fucking kidding me? Like I’m like, no, no, you’re not leaving me on here in the wilderness. I know. And I remember looking at you and going oh shit, like, that’s a lot of work. Are you ready to do this? How much work has it been?

LeAnn Rimes
I’ve done a lot of work. I’ve done a lot of work. I have, I don’t even know where to begin with how much work I’ve done. I’ve been very committed. Very, very committed. And, yeah, you’re always like, I can tell you to do something, you just go do something you just like, Alright, let me go do that. Let me try that I if

Dr. Mindy
anything, I have to be careful, like, because. And you know, I think it’s, I actually think it’s a skill of how you got to where you are, yeah, is that you have that override system of like, I see a goal and I’m gonna go for it, and then nothing’s gonna stop me. But your nervous system needs me to hold you back sometimes.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, my would we, we first went into detox. And I had these little droppers that it was like, you know, and he’s like, take it just take a couple of drops. And I thought, like, more is always better. And so I took a whole dropper full, not just a couple drops, but a whole dropper full. And I was in a fetal position for like, 24 hours, as all of these metals are coming out of me. And yeah, that was a nightmare. So yes, you have to be careful with me, but I have to warn you and say, Hi, I am I definitely have a you know, healings an interesting journey. And my I think I don’t realize how far I’ve come and Yes. Like, like my trainer today saying, Oh, you have so much more energy, even though you’re tired. Like you’re still here and you’re not like dragging. So I think, you know, I, I try I try everything. I’ll try everything once. Pretty much are you? Well, I like it,

Dr. Mindy
I can attest to that.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, I learned like I’ve learned a new language. I mean, ultimately, like, that’s the biggest thing is I’ve learned, you know, I’ve learned a new language of hormones. And you know, one of the most incredible things is the neurotransmitter piece for me because I didn’t realize that hormones and neurotransmitters are so intrinsically tied together. And you know, suffering from anxiety depression, often on my whole life I ate gave me some new context around what was actually happening in my body and that I wasn’t insane. And that, you know, hormones really did play this key role and every bit of what I was going through, so, you know, we’ve, we’ve come in, we’ve come in hormones, we’ve come in neurotransmitters, with common amino acids, like we’ve, we’ve gone through hyperbaric with me, we’ve gone through red light, we’ve got I mean, you name it, all the things. And I’m sure there’s plenty more, but I, I do, you know, I’ve, I, you know, each month is different each month is a roller coaster, and there’s so many variables, there’s so many external factors, whether I’m traveling or you know, if I’ve had high stress in my life, like, Am I making enough estrogen because I’ve had too much high stress, like it’s, it’s, there’s every month is different. But ultimately, I see myself moving in the direction of health. And, and just like I said, you know, we keep saying this word, awareness, I think awareness is key. And even if I’m, even if I feel like I’m kind of spiraling backwards, sometimes just the awareness of what’s going on, and how I the tools I know how to help myself out of that spiral is, you know, far from the place that I was when I first met you. Amazing.

Dr. Mindy
I’m like, I’m like a pro. Again. I’m back here as like a proud mama it you know, I wish only I think maybe, maybe Edie might know what you’ve been through, but I feel like I just am so proud and honored to watch you go through this experience because it hasn’t been easy. And you’re a fucking champ. Like you have showed up every day for yourself to continue to learn and continue to grow like you do anything I asked you to do. Like it’s it’s been one of the truly the greatest honors of my life as a doctor to watch you try on health and undo you know what what you were brought up in it’s just it’s incredible. It’s It’s really incredible to watch so

LeAnn Rimes
I love knowing your I love knowing your thought process and when you first met me now because I really thought you were gonna love me you had no idea I had

Dr. Mindy
no idea. No, I’m a No in fact, anything I was like, oh god, okay, here we go. She’s, you know, a big celebrity. Like what? Okay, and then Like I’ve told you this, like about two months, and you just crawled right into my heart. And I was like this,

LeAnn Rimes
though. Yeah. I mean, I feel like, you know, you have been you have mothered me and so many ways around my health. And in that I didn’t, you know, I’d never had anyone teach me this stuff. And so it was, you know, to find a woman who, who’s had that you mean, like I said, You taught me a whole different language, you taught me the language of my body, something I’ve been so disconnected from, for so long. You know, to, to have this kind of mind, body and spirit, like synchronicity like it feels. Yeah, I mean, you’re, you’ve been the first person to teach me and so on so many levels. How to take care of myself like in, in a real way, where it’s not, it’s not superficial, like I’m caring for myself from the inside out. Yeah. And I think I’ve done so much work for myself on a spiritual level, and an emotional level. And I’ve never had that physical component tied in. And so with you, it was like this kind of, we talked about pieces of the puzzle all the time. It’s like it was kind of that missing piece that fit in, that allowed me to have that physical component. That allowed me to fully start healing because the body the body has to be involved. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
yeah. And you and I’ve talked about this, like, you know, if you’re just working one piece, like whether it’s a medication, or maybe it’s one biohack, or one diet, or, you know, what everybody wants to know, for me is like, what’s the best fast but one thing? The one thing and I’m like, I’m not your one thing gal, like I’m what I truly believe. And this is i From the day I met you is that you are living in this body that is capable of miracles. And it’s been really interesting to hear your journey. The other thing by the way, I didn’t know anything about LeAnn Rimes, and then once we started working together, I was like, well, shoot, I can’t really read about you because I wanted I wanted to hear from you. Like I didn’t want anything to like sway me and and really understanding you. And the, you know, here we sit nine months, however many months and 1000s of calm hours of conversations later, and I still see this pure soul that is so capable of not just healing of loving and it’s all the interferences the physical, the emotional, this is why I wanted to have this conversation with you is like I’m hoping that people will see that they are you in it maybe they didn’t weren’t didn’t have your upbringing, but they had some other trauma, they had some other unusual situation. And yet they still is there’s this pure, loving human that deserves a chance at health. And it’s just been such a blessing for me to be have a front row seat to that for you. Because and you you work so hard at it. And I and you and I’ve talked about this before, like, how are we going to change? How are we going to go down and help the teenagers and how we’re going to really make an impact on women’s health when we have so such a misdirected outside in world. So, you know, if you could if you had a room of 16 year olds in front of you right now, and you could give them some advice? What What would you tell them?

LeAnn Rimes
Oh my gosh, I mean, I think the first thing is educate yourself. Like get to know your body, educate yourself, like, you know, no one’s going. No one out there. If you’re lucky, you’ll have someone like you in their life. But I think the biggest piece is self knowledge and self awareness. Yeah, because you have to it has to come from inside like it has to come from, I think the if we can, I know I was very curious child and I that got stuck down. And instead there was like this perfectionist that came into play and my curiosity and play kind of like got left out. And I over the past several years, the cure, and especially I think my health journey has actually brought that play back and because I am so curious about you know, you and I are constantly like Well, let’s try this and let’s see what this will do. Nope, that didn’t work. So let’s start with that works. So it becomes this. You you start to for me I’ve started to really do bring that curiosity back into my life. And I’m recognizing like how curious I really am like I want to learn and I’m I’m always trying new things and I’m seeing what works best. And I think keeping that curiosity with a front row seat in our life is so important. Yeah. And so and you know, any 16 year old girl, like you’re, you’re your own unique thing, your body, your mind, your situation, your traumas, your joys, it’s its own your desires, it’s all your your own unique fingerprint, the way the lens you look through is its own unique view, like, and your intuition about your health and your body is what should guide you, not anyone outside of you. And so I think you have to find people that you can that trust your own intuition. And that will be in, in collaboration with, with you. It’s not just a one size fits all, like you’re saying the one thing you can do, the one pill you can take, it has nothing to do with that. It’s getting to know the mental, physical, emotional, spiritual pieces of yourself and trusting it. And and then finding people that can collaborate with that.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, amen. Like I very well. So I keep saying like, one of these days, I’m like, we’re gonna turn you into like, a health coach or a doctor. And then I’m like, Oh, wait, no, you have a really good profession already.

LeAnn Rimes
I do. But it’s funny, because I that is such a piece that I’m I love this, like I love and I love. I’ve never thought of myself as a teacher. But I’m finding that I’m stepping into that role even more as I share my own journey. It’s just part of my teaching. My music is part of my teaching, like, and it’s not from a teaching of I know better, it’s like, I, I’ve experienced this, and here’s what I know. So take it from there. You know, like, I want to share this so that, like, I go back to that thing, and you don’t feel alone in this journey. And I do have a lot of wisdom, because I have lived a lot of life at 40 and I have so much more to learn. And there goes the curiosity of like, what else? What else can I learn? So, yeah, there is a there’s a piece of me, like, you know, through my podcast and, and through my music and just through my journey now i feel like i i am becoming this kind of, like, health. emotional, spiritual helper.

Dr. Mindy
There we go. We’re gonna give you a name, right there. My guide, maybe like a Sherpa? Yeah, like, you know, you and I’ve talked about this idea of mothering a culture. And I really like when when you and I had that conversation, I saw that so much for you, I even see it from my own self of like, no, that’s the role I want to step into. And I see that as a role that that you so deserve to step into. Because you set a culture in motion when you’re 13. And now you’re setting a different culture for women into motion at 40. And it’s not just how you’re showing up, but it’s the songs you’re writing and the interviews, the changing of how you’re talking in the interviews, when people ask you questions, like, and you’re standing in that authentic version of yourself. You haven’t I think, you know, but I don’t think you completely know, the impact it makes on the world when you stand up and say, This is what I stand for. You literally change the culture of women.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, no, I, I do, I’m aware of that. And I take that into consideration when I do what I do. And I, I know, so many women grew up with me, and now we’re all the same age. And so they, you know, I do have the opportunity with the platform that I have to shift and shift the world and the direction I want to see it go, you know, it’s like, we have to create the world that we want. And it’s like, how do I want to show up in that world. And I love that idea of mothering a culture like you know, I’ve never had children of my own that have come through me, although I’ve helped raise two boys, but I feel like I, I do have a very strong, motherly instinct. And I feel like it’s been utilized to birth projects and things in creation into this world. And now it’s being utilized in this way of being able to share my truth, being able to, to hopefully guide people, you know, through different rites of passage at times that you know, I mean, look, we all if you’ve grown up with me, we’ve all been through rites of passage together like you know, we grew up on our teenagers together, we’ve gone through our 20s together and like now here we are at this other you know, threshold of of, you know, perimenopause and menopause and, and really, these I think these are very formidable formidable years like as, as women, like, it’s like we almost can rebirth ourselves in a way. Yeah. And I’m now helping people walk through this by just sharing my own journey, you know, as authentically and honestly as I can. And, you know, there’s I, I’m an open book, like there’s really not much.

Dr. Mindy
It’s really impressive. Yeah. Which is probably freeing for you just to put it all out there and just be it. I know that your your you love words. And you and I have chatted about like, yeah, I always find it really interesting when you and I talked about words, because how many words are in a song?

LeAnn Rimes
Oh, I don’t know. Very few. Like, we have to put a lot into a little into a little.

Dr. Mindy
And I get like, 80. That’s like girls at 3000 words. So. So I get like, Oh, if I didn’t say it in that chapter, let me say then the next chapter. I get, like, a lot more words than a song. But if you had one word to describe you before 40 Since I don’t i We can’t let we can’t let 40 go away from this conversation because that was a pivotal moment. If you had one word to describe yourself before. 40. What would it be?

LeAnn Rimes
Oh I don’t know. I know what the word is after quarter at.

Dr. Mindy
I haven’t asked you that question yet.

LeAnn Rimes
I know. But I know you’re going there. I know what that is. Um, maybe you

Dr. Mindy
need a couple of words you can have you can you’re gonna have a couple of words for before. Yeah. Garden. Mm hmm. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Okay. What is it? What is it After? After? 40?

LeAnn Rimes
grounded? I got chills. Yeah. Yeah, I feel very, someone said to me the other day you feel very centered. And I said, Yeah, I get thrown off of it all the time. But I still know where my center is. Amidst that. Chaos. Yeah. When I think before, well, before these last few years, I feel like I didn’t have a sense of center. And maybe maybe that’s what it is even more like more so than grounded. I feel centered.

Dr. Mindy
I feel like somebody needs to write an article or you need to do a song title or something that’s like, from from guarded to grounded.

LeAnn Rimes
Well, like that. Like like that, that needs to

Dr. Mindy
be like representing like your, your next phase because I can see that so clearly. Just even in the short time I’ve worked with you, for sure. I see that shift happening. Just you know, it’s it’s pretty impressive to watch so,

LeAnn Rimes
yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Okay, my last question and this is the one I asked everybody so I gotta ask you to every year we do a different theme for the podcast and this year, I really want to do gratitude because I feel like we went into this year with so many of us complaining about COVID or politics or it was just complain, complain complain. And so I wanted our podcast is down for gratitude. So do you have a gratitude practice? If so, what is it and what is one thing you’re grateful for? In 2022?

LeAnn Rimes
I had a really solid gratitude practice for a while I don’t so much daily anymore. But though I find myself I find myself have trained I’ve trained my brain enough to be to see the the things that I’m grateful for in my everyday I really something I love doing is I talk to my food often. When I get food I’m like, thank you so much for nourishing me. I do that often. Yeah, and so but I’ve I’ve really trained my brain like I said enough to be like, Oh, I’m grateful for everything for like, for this beautiful day. I went for a bike ride earlier and it was I was like, oh my god, the breeze feel so good. Like I was just felt so good about how it felt to be outside. So so I’ve come a long way. Oh, my God, you Yes, but I think I’m grateful. I’m grateful for all so much, honestly. But the one thing that I have been incredibly grateful for recently that I used to feel so much shame around is my rebellious Ness. And I used to feel so shame for for being rebellious because I think it’s gotten me through a few sticky situations. But it’s also a recognize it also saved my life many, many, many times. And so, from that perspective now to accept it. No, that is just an absolute beautiful piece of me, and how I’ve created so many things from that space. How I’ve fought from that space for my life, many times and I’m just really, I’ve come into deep gratitude for that where I’ve been that’s in the last probably like, six months where I was very ashamed of it before.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. Amazing. And I think as women, you and I’ve talked about this is that we need more rebellion. We need we need more authentic, standing in our own strength. So that that’s just amazing. Well, you know, I’ll tell you what I told you back in the spring, thank you for just crawling in my heart. I had no idea that I was in for this ride with you. And it’s really it’s really truly been an honor to be on the path with you. And I just you, you amaze me and impress me every day in your strength and your authenticity. And I just, yeah, this has been one of the greatest joys of my career. So Oh, thank you. Yeah,

LeAnn Rimes
same, same. Thank you for thank you for being here for me through every morning and every night. Yeah, I’m fine. Saturday.

Dr. Mindy
It’s all good. Again, it doesn’t feel like work. It just feels like joy and I, I just want the world I’m so happy. We have this conversation because I want the world to see and interact with the beautiful woman that I get to interact with and just what you’re doing is incredible. So how I’ll ask you what, everybody, I asked everybody else? How do people find you? Where did they go?

LeAnn Rimes
Well, you can find me at Leann rimes.com As simple as that and just search my name on pretty much anything. You’ll find me.

Dr. Mindy
Amazing. And that your new album by the way, I is out and I don’t know. And I’m not gonna. I mean, this is gonna come from my uneducated musical point of view. It’s not country. No, no, you’re right. I don’t even know what

LeAnn Rimes
it is. There’s a rootsy element. I don’t know what it is either. There’s rootsy elements to it. But it’s not country. It’s there’s a bit of tribal primal, ethereal, something going on. It’s,

Dr. Mindy
it is amazing. And the words like that, though, I told you when you’re in awakening, when you’re like surrendering is is terrifying. I literally want to send you a message every day every day and be like, No, it’s fucking terrifying. Like, understatement, you can’t just put that in a song and walk away from the line. Like, it’s perfectly terrified. So

LeAnn Rimes
I might have downplayed that just a little bit.

Dr. Mindy
I think you I think what I’ve learned in the listening to your current music is that you put words to what we’re all feeling. And it really is. It’s therapy for those of us that are listening to you.

LeAnn Rimes
Yeah, I mean, I definitely tap in to the collective experience, especially with this record. And yeah, we’re all going through it. We’re all on this human, weird ride thing together. For sure.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. Awesome. Well,

LeAnn Rimes
thank you. I love you, too.

Dr. Mindy
Thank you so much for being on this journey of this podcast with me and I can’t even wait to see where you are a year from now. 10 years from now, like, I can’t wait to see the 75 year old version of you. She’s gonna be something special.

LeAnn Rimes
It’d be badass. She’s gonna be so healthy. Yeah, she’s gonna be she’s gonna feel great.

Dr. Mindy
She’s gonna be so badass.