The Importance of Amino Acids in the Body – With Dr. David Minkoff

Dr. Mindy
Let me just start off by welcoming you, Dr. Minkoff, I literally am drooling to have this discussion with you. I’m not sure everybody is like as excited about talking about aminos as I am, but word on the street is you are the Amino experts. So thank you for for joining me and for being here on my podcast.

Dr David Minkoff
It is my pleasure. So let’s get after it. Yeah, let’s

Dr. Mindy
go for it. So you know, the, I want to start with some basic info about amino acids. But my here’s my first question. How did you how did you get down into studying amino acids and using them in your clinical practice? I’d say it’s just a curious thought that I have.

Dr David Minkoff
Well, I was, um, I My hobby is Ironman triathlons. So it’s a lot of training. So it’s a lot of swim, bike and run and weights and stretches and stuff like that. And I started doing those in 1982. And probably in the early 90s, I got injured, and I tore my hamstring. And I could not get it to heal no matter what I did. And I massaged it and chiropractor did and heated it and cold at it and injected it. And, you know, I was it was very important to me that I could I love doing triathlons. And then I could run. And I was competitive nationally. And I just couldn’t perform up to my ability. Now I was a vegetarian at the time. And I was certain that this was the best way to eat. I was wrong. But I didn’t know that at the time. And I ran into a guy who had gotten an amino acid product from Europe. And he said, Why don’t you try these. So he gives me a bottle, I start taking them. And in about six weeks, my hamstring was healed. And I did I went to a couple months later, to do Ironman Canada, it’s a very challenging race. And I had my best time ever. And I no lingering effects in my hamstring, it was actually completely fine. It was completely healed. Along the way, I noticed also that I had gained about 10 pounds of lean body mass. But I didn’t measure different, like my waist was the same, I’m pretty lean. So you know I have a body fat, this low seven 8%. And, and I couldn’t explain the weight gain, like I didn’t look physically different. But I had gained lean body mass. And I talked to an expert on this. And he said, Well, vegetarian diets are deficient in amino acids. And what’s happening with your body is now you’re supplying it with these essential nutrients to make body protein. And you’re filling in your body protein. So your bones and your muscles in your organ tissue are gaining mass that should have been there if you were eating properly. But now that you’re supplementing with these high doses of amino acids, it’s doing it and that’s where the meat is coming from. So I had a strength increase and I had a performance increase. And and it was remarkable to me because this was not something I had ever had much attention on. I became a vegetarian when I was when I was 14 years old. And my mother was always after me as I grew up, I have a Jewish mother and I grew up with food oriented life, like all celebrations of feasts, all all deaths, all everything was around food. And she was a very good cook. And most of you know that she would make brisket and chicken and all this stuff and I wouldn’t need it. And she was mad at me. And she said it’s not good for your health. And she was dragging me the doctor every three months to get blood tests. Because she said you’re gonna end my blood tests always turned out okay. So, you know, years later I heard a lecture from Loren Cordain. He’s the really the father of Paleolithic diet. He’s a professor at Colorado State University. And it made total sense to me and I you know, I’ve switched and so all all vegetarians are virtually all vegetarians and vegans are amino acid deficient. Now we measure very detailed lab tests on them and their virtue I can I can tell you, when I look at the test, this person is not eating any animal protein. So they’re so low.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, go ahead. I want to dive into each amino because I’m curious if you see certain aminos that are more deficient and vegetarians, or is it all of them across the board?

Dr David Minkoff
It’s all it’s, you know, if you look at a panel with the eight essential amino acids, are you looking at panel it’s got of the 22 essential amino of the 22 amino acids you? You they will they will be low in everything. Right. So it’s almost everybody, it isn’t everybody. And within six months to a year of going on that kind of diet, they will become deficient. Yeah. So anyway, I started playing with this, these amino acids in this formula, and came up with a formula which was unique. It’s the eight essential amino acids. And I wrote a post or I wrote an article for Triathlete Magazine. So that’s the magazine that all triathletes subscribed to. I already had a company where I was making products for heavy metal detox and some multivitamins and a few other things. And most of our customers were practitioners. And so I wrote this article for Triathlete Magazine on my experience with my injury and amino acids, and my race performance. And I got 3000 requests for information about this product. Crazy. Crazy.

Dr. Mindy
So you’re officially indoctrinated into the amino acid like the people chose you is what I heard on that one.

Dr David Minkoff
Yeah. And so you know, we started to manufacture the product. And, and then I’ve spoken at the American College of Nutrition, and, you know, many, many meetings on this subject, because the education on this subject is pretty much zero. And in the end, almost all of the information on amino acids, science is driven by companies making whey protein and collagen. That’s where all the money is. Yeah, well, these are billion dollar industries. They, they hire scientists to do studies to validate how good those things are. And then that gets promoted, and then people buy those products. And then people use those products. And virtually no dietician, unless she’s running to me, this sounds arrogant, but it isn’t really because I didn’t I didn’t make all this up myself. I just there this, this literature is there. And I’ve written textbooks and dietary, textbooks, written chapters and dietary textbooks about this subject because the information is there. But it’s 90% promotion, from you know, whey protein, whey was a waste product and making cheese. And it was discarded, because when you make cheese, the casein part of the cheese coalesces into the hard cheese and the liquid leftover was way. And then some of the idea that maybe this this could be, the water could be taken out of this thing, and there was a protein in there, and it would be very good. And, and so the literature was sponsored for the whey protein industry, they even sponsored the development of this group called the American College of Nutrition was originally sponsored originally by the whey protein industry to prove that this was good, and that people should eat it. Now, there isn’t anything really wrong with whey protein, it’s fine. But if you’re looking to get the most out of your money for a protein product, or an amino acid product, it’s very, very far from the best, it’s actually at the low end. And plenty of people have trouble digesting dairy products, and especially in the quantity that you have to take to be effective. And, and they could get a better alternative where their stomach didn’t get upset, and, and where the, you know, the perfect Amino is just way way more effective, like six times better than whey protein on a gram per gram. So,

Dr. Mindy
so talk a little bit about what an amino acid is. And one of the things that I’m really interested why aminos are so interesting to me is that they’re precursors for two major neuro chemicals in the body that control our moods. And I mean, they control a lot, but they’re precursors for hormones that are precursors for neurotransmitters, and when you’re dealing with women over 40 As we lose hormones, one of the things that I’ve seen clinically is as our hormones go down, if our amino acid profile is deficient, then we eventually see neurotransmitters go down, and over time you start to see a 45 I have 50 year old woman who’s really dealing with depression and anxiety. So have you seen that and talk a little bit about what an amino acid is? And what is it a precursor to because I have a feeling it’s a precursor to almost everything.

Dr David Minkoff
You’re right. It is, you know, bone health and liver detoxification and gut lining, you know, and hormones and neurotransmitters. So yes, it’s a it’s what you’re saying is exactly true. So what is an amino acid? So amino in Greek means nitrogen. There’s three basic macronutrients like the big categories, there’s fats, and there’s proteins and there’s carbohydrates. If you took a carbohydrate and a fat, they’re basically they’re structures a little bit different, but they’re made out of the same stuff. So you know, it’s carbon hydrogens and oxygens. And in one sort of structure, they’re a carbohydrate. And in another structure, they’re a fat, but they’re basically mixtures of carbons, hydrogens and oxygens. Now an amino acid is a nitrogen added on to to the structure that would look like a fat or that would look like a carbohydrate. So there’s an added nitrogen guiding the nitrogen is mostly added by plants absorbing nitrogen into their structure and adding nitrogen on to so a plant can take carbon dioxide. Breathe it, so to speak. Add sunlight, add water and make glucose. That’s what a plant, okay, okay. Now a plant can take that glucose, reconfigure it, add a nitrogen, and you now have an amino acid. Okay, okay. And bacteria can do this, too. We can’t. But bacteria last week.

Dr. Mindy
So I think this is important. We can’t make amino acids, we have to get it from our diet. Is that correct?

Dr David Minkoff
Yes. So eight of them, you have to get from the diet, our body can take the eight and make it into the other, depending on how you count 12 or 14. So let’s just say there’s 22 essential, there’s 22 amino acids, so eight of them we gotta get because we can’t make those. So if you don’t get them, you don’t have them.

Dr. Mindy
And how do we get them? What foods have them?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, there’s some amino acids and everything. The best sources of amino acids for us are eggs, they have the best richest way to get if you eat the yolk. So you yolk with the white meats and fish so so you can measure the quality of amino acids in terms of how well are they utilized by our body to make our body proteins. So let me go back a step. So there’s amino acids, there’s 22 of them. So they all have a nitrogen. And then they all have a different structure of carbons, hydrogens and oxygens. And that makes the different amino acids. Now, when we eat, let’s say you have a steak. The amino acids come in the form of muscle fiber. Hmm, the fiber is a structure a protein that’s made up of amino acids. So if you take, so if you think of it, like like, you want to make a certain pattern of a beaded necklace, and the pattern says I need a white bead, and you put it on the string, and then I need a red bead and you put it on the string. And then you need a golden bead, and you look in the box, and there’s no golden bead. You can’t make that necklace with that structure. And if we’re talking the beads or amino acids, then the protein won’t get made until your next meal, and maybe enough golden beads show up. There’s about 200,000 proteins in the body, which are all being made all the time and broken down. Wow. So we need about 300 grams of amino acids per day. Wow. Or of proteins per day. To keep up with the body needs. Most of us are only eating 60 to 80 grams. So

Dr. Mindy
nobody that I know of is eating 300 grams of protein a day is that what yours? Well,

Dr David Minkoff
they don’t have to. Because if they have, let’s say they eat 60 to 80, which isn’t enough, but let’s just say the average person is eating 60 to 80, the body can recycle some of the ones that are being broken down. So you can make up the difference. Old people recycled terrible, young people recycle really well. Okay, so you could take a young kid eating mostly sugar and fats, and they will grow. And they can get muscles. Because they can recycle their own proteins and the proteins that they’re getting from whatever the stuff is, they’re eating, you know, every now and then they might get a hot dog, which had some protein in it. But they can, they can get enough to do it. You take 80 year old, or 660 year old woman who’s probably not even eating 60 grams of protein a day. And she doesn’t recycle very well. And she’s going to break down her proteins. That’s why she gets us to process and why she gets depressed and why her hair falls out or it grows too slow. Or while she loses her lean body mass, because she’s just not getting enough and she doesn’t recycle very well. And she needs a lot more protein, like the 14 need. See, it’s not really there isn’t a really a dietary protein requirement. A dietary essential amino acid requirement. Yep. So if you go to a dietitian, and they say, Okay, you need to be on a 1500 calorie a day diet. And what we’re going to do is we’re going to make 30% of that fat, and we’re gonna make 40% of it as carbohydrates, or we’re gonna make 30% of it as protein. And usually they figure that they configure it differently. They say 50% carbohydrates and 30% fats and 15% protein, that would be a typical thing. Now 15 15% of 1500 calories is way way see, you don’t have your own amino acid requirement. If you if you do your dietary counseling with people on you need to you need 1.6 kilograms of protein per pound of per kilogram of body weight, 1.6 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight. It’s double what the RDA is, you will be in the ballpark. And that’s the number you start with. So okay, we’re gonna, we’re gonna set you up with a dietary program. Okay, you’re 70 kilos. So you need 70 times 1.6 110 grams of protein per day. That’s a given.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. Now what happens if you have like gut dysbiosis? Does that change that amount, like if you’ve been on,

Dr David Minkoff
that’s a minimum. So most people, you need to fix their gut to, you know, they need enzymes, and they need to get rid of the yeast and they need to get rid of the parasites and rest of stuff in there. So that they’re actually digesting that protein. And they’re getting it in. And what we found is that almost nobody will eat that much protein, no, adjusted very well and there and half the population is taking acid blockers of one sort or another Pepcid or Nexium or pepper Zahler. You know, these drugs, and they don’t, they don’t digest the proteins, you need stomach acid to digest your proteins. And then almost everybody has gut dysbiosis, they have bacteria and parasites and yeast in there, and they don’t absorb very well. So I just say, okay, in and enter perfect amino. So you don’t have to digest it is pre digested. It’s elemental amino acids. And they’re in a very so so you don’t need to absorb this, the absorption starts in the stomach. You don’t need you don’t need to digest it down. It’s ready to go in in 23 minutes, it’s in the bloodstream. So you bypass all the blocks that are usually there for most people. Yeah, so you ate animal protein three times a day, you know, have some extra breakfast and have some turkey for lunch and have a steak or some fish for dinner. Okay, try to get your 1.6 grams of protein per kilogram. Yeah. And substitute and supplement with perfect amino. So to do scoops there’s a there’s a liquid version, there’s a powdered version, and there’s a tablet version. But if you do say the powdered version, it put two scoops and a shaker with you know, you could put some other stuff in there, you can just do waters flavor doesn’t taste bad. And then you supplement and you will get into the range where you actually have to be to maintain your body. And you know, with aging, if you took you know, like how much muscle Do you have a 20 versus how much muscle do you have at 60 You’re down 30% By the time you’re 60. Why? It isn’t that your body can’t make protein. It’s that you’re not getting enough essential amino acids to Keep up with your needs.

Dr. Mindy
Amazing. And I will tell you that you came and spoke to our doctor grip and talked about the perfect aminos. And doing 10 to 10 tablets a day twice. I think you said 10 tablets twice a day is what I heard. And three scoops of the, of the aminos and water a day. And I started adding that in. And as a 53 year old woman, I started to see muscle comeback, definitely saw some changes in mood and sleep. And that really is like what got me thinking about wow, I had never realized that I was amino acid deficient. One thing that I’ve heard about aminos is it like you said it takes 20 minutes to activate. And that within two to three hours, it’s cleared out of your system. So you need to do it again. And is that accurate. And then I’ve also heard it takes about four months of continual use of aminos. Before you can get it actually up to the level that you may may want.

Dr David Minkoff
Yeah, I mean, if you’re doing blood tests, I found that within three to six months that the serum levels, the blood levels of amino acids come into normal. See what you want is you want availability you want if we go back to the bead model, you want a whole stash of gold beads sitting around there, and a whole stash of white beads and red beads. Because if the stash is there, like if the buckets are all full, then when you want to read, you know you want to remake muscle protein, it’s there and it can do it. If you want to, you know remake hormones, liver enzymes last about 15 minutes, they need to be constantly remade. And so you know, insulin doesn’t last very long. So these are these are proteins, these are proteins then they gotta get made. And if there isn’t enough reserve in the whole body, so that each of these specific tissues, which makes these proteins doesn’t have full easy availability, then you get reduced protein turnover, you get reduced recycling. And then you know the inside of your gut every three, four days, you should have a new lining. But if you’re short on amino acids, it might be six or seven days, that’s half the reason for a leaky gut, the tissues are worn out, they leak, and then you just won’t have the stuff that you’re that you have to have. So, so the the, you know, it may not have been this way, 100 years ago, when the food was better. And no, we weren’t as toxic as when people could eat food and get the nutrition we need. But nowadays, it’s near impossible. And people who are people, like I said people who are avoiding animal protein, they really are, you know, they really know they could you can stay vegetarian, but you need probably two scoops of perfect amino at least twice a day and probably three times a day.

Dr. Mindy
So here’s one of my one of my questions is How do you know if you’re deficient? So we’ve been playing a lot with your aminos specifically in my in my group, and we’re getting some great results. But it’s come up many times like, how do we know if we’re deficient? And how do we know if we megadose and go in with like this, like I mentioned where you’re doing 10 tablets twice a day, you’re doing three scoops of perfect aminos? Is there ever a point where your amino acid profile is pretty balanced? And you can just do a maintenance dose? Like where do we where do we go with the amount of aminos in our body? What’s the best test?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, I think if you if you sort of calculate out how much protein is the person actually eating? And and what’s their activity level? You know, like, Are they are they marathon training? Are they nursing? Do they just have heart surgery? Did they just have a car accident? Like what are the ongoing needs of these of these people? Because some people’s needs are way higher, based on their activity level or what’s happening with them? And then how much how much protein are they actually eating? And what shape is their gut in? Like have you handled their gut, they have enzymes, and they have good probiotics and they have, you know, they don’t have a leaky gut anymore. And that’s handled, they’re going to be more efficient about absorbing their proteins. We measure a serum a panel, which is the Genova is the laboratory and they have a test called an ion panel and it’s the best test for the money that I know of, because you get levels of amino acids. And you get organic acids and you get vitamins and minerals and essential fats. They do another test called neutral vowel, which I think is a waste of money. I don’t I don’t I don’t find that test is any good but they have this other one which is excellent is a great lab. And I ordered that and every new patient, okay. And I put everybody I know everybody’s amino acid deficient. So on my first visit, I put them on to scoops 10 grams of perfect amino every day. And then ta I had to I went over, I would had a six week visit with two people that I’d started six weeks ago. And I had all the labs back and I was going through the labs. And this person had six out of eight essential amino acids very, very depleted. And I said, you know, we’re going to boost you up for the next three months, I want you to take three, two scoops three times a day, because you were really deficient. And then we do a DEXA scan on her and her DEXA scan is in the toilet, she doesn’t have any bone. Well, balm is made out of protein, you know, the collagen is the is the is the sort of structure that the calcium and phosphorus go on. Yep, you know, and then she was complaining about hair thinning and blah, blah, blah, and these things and mood. And these things. When you get enough amino acids, a lot of this stuff will correct, they will start to feel better. And like I’ve had even people complain, like women, like, you know, I always had to go to the hairdresser every six weeks. And now I’m having to go to the hairdresser every four weeks because my hair is growing.

Dr. Mindy
Oh yeah, my hair is grown much faster. And my nails grow much faster. When I do the protocol that I talk about. It’s yeah, it’s absolutely crazy. Does the combination of aminos like how you put together the aminos? Does that matter?

Dr David Minkoff
Yeah, it matters a lot. So you know, in eggs, you have all eight amino acids, all essential eight. Okay, yeah, the other ones too. Okay. The mixture is such that if you measured what percentage of the amino acids in egg protein could the body take and then make our protein. Because what happens is this, you eat an egg. You digest it, which means all the long string, the long chain of amino acids that make up egg albumin and the other proteins that are an egg. During digestion, it goes from hundreds of amino acids in a chain down to individual amino acids. See the chain can’t go in the intestine is too big. So they have to be digested, which means chopped up. So now you have individual amino acids, they get absorbed by the body. They go in the bloodstream, they go to the cell. So let’s say they’re going to a muscle. So you worked out that morning, you did pull ups and the amino acids arrive at the muscle cell. And now the muscle has to take those amino acids and reassemble them into human muscle. One human muscle fiber, the main protein in muscles called myosin has 4000 amino acids per one muscle fiber for Wow. So it’s got to have them all there. Or it doesn’t get made. And you’ll see somebody worked out last week and I’m still sore. You know, if you’re deficient, can’t make it can’t fix it.

Dr. Mindy
Yes. Okay. That’s another thing that I’ve noticed I was really sore working out before but since I’ve been doing my amino protocol, the soreness has gone away. So you just explained something to me, which is is really cool. When when I look at what a woman goes through over 40 You know, there’s that loss of estrogen and the loss of progesterone. Now, if a woman doesn’t have to lose testosterone, but she does often because of stress levels. So when I go and I look at those three hormones, they are precursors for for neurotransmitters, dopamine, serotonin, glutamate, and GABA. And when I look at what is what women over 40 are struggling with its anxiety focused depression. So what I’ve done is then gone in and looked at, well, what are the amino acids needed for those neurotransmitters? To make sure we keep those neurotransmitters high as we lose those those hormones naturally, we’re supposed to lose them. So what what aminos would I look for? If I was trying to raise dopamine, I was trying to raise serotonin I was trying to have less anxiety, can we single out and amino like that? Or is it best just take the combination your body will figure it out?

Dr David Minkoff
What I would do is, is load perfect amino first, because the body then can use what it needs to make what it needs. So I usually do that first. Now sometimes people need extra. So we’ll define is a precursor for if tryptophan is one of the essential amino acids. So it’s a precursor for melatonin, which is sleep for NAD which is the enzyme critical in order to make Energy. So someone who can’t sleep who’s tired, and it’s a precursor to serotonin, and then they’re depressed and they’re deficient and you look on their amino acid profile and their tryptophan is like none. Yeah, so you can use tryptophane or five hydroxy tryptophan, which is one step closer to the molecule that the body uses to build it with as a in itself, almost like a pharmacologic use of a nutrient boost this up which is perfectly fine. Yeah, that doesn’t help make the rest of the body proteins so I usually end up doing load the perfect amino see where we get we measure neurotransmitter levels and then we go by what is low and what are the best combinations of precursors to so that we can get these these neurotransmitters back in line.

Dr. Mindy
So are there precursors to aminos are the aminos the most basic unit, they’re the basic unit, okay, okay. So aminos are the precursors to hormones and to and to neurotransmitters and and and tryptophan I mean, we think it tryptophan is Turkey. And it makes you sleepy. If I start taking tryptophane on throughout the day, is that is that a an old myth that it’s supposed to make you sleepy or is it up regulating GABA and it just calms everybody?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, it up regulates serotonin tryptophan is a precursor for serotonin. So sometimes we use tryptophane as a sleep aid, like to take one to three grams of tryptophan before you go to bed. And it will, it will go towards serotonin, it will go toward melatonin. And it can help with sleep. And it’s a that’s a reasonable thing to do. GABA you can get and you can take it sublingually GABA is a precursor, or GABA is the sort of anti anxiety one so people are very anxious, you can get GABA, open up the capsule, put it underneath your tongue, usually within 15 minutes, you’ll see a response if it’s going to work in that person. You know, phenyl alanine is a is a is another amino acid which is which gets which gets turned into tyrosine. Now tyrosine is a precursor to thyroid hormone and a lot of people who have low thyroids, they have a they have a tyrosine deficiency, they have an amino acid deficiency or an IV deficiency. So these things go into many areas. And usually if you just like okay, we’re going to take you know, 1020 or 30 grams a day of perfect amino, the body is just going to start directing this stuff to where it needs to go. And then everything will come up. I had a I had somebody I just I saw her today too. When I saw her, she her blood test indicated and her symptoms indicated that she was hypothyroid. And I put her on some desiccated thyroid, so this is glandular thyroid this ground up. And she immediately felt better. Now when we got her panel back, she was very tyrosine deficient and she was very iodine deficient. And because I was giving a perfect amino, you can make tyrosine out of the essential amino acids, which is Federal alanine. And I gave her some iodine out the out the box because iodine is deficient in many people. And she was on the thyroid for a couple of months. And then she she said, You know, I’m starting to feel kind of agitated, like I got a steroid. And I have weaned her down off the thyroid, because now her body was making thyroid because it had tyrosine and had iodine, it could make it and it had zinc and it had selenium. And it had these things where it could actually you could the body now became functional, when prior to that it wasn’t because it didn’t have the raw materials to do it. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
And that, you know, that has been my experience over the years working with patients is as you build up health, now all of a sudden the medication actually becomes this thing, creating symptoms, and you have to start to bring it down. And I would say as I’ve brought in amino acids into the picture for many of my patients, I’m really starting to see that to be true on all kinds of medication. And it also has me me thinking, Well, okay, so what’s depleting? You know, obviously, the sad part is vegetarian diets have become very popular again, and hopefully, people will wake up that there’s an amino deficiency there. We’ve got a lot of physical stress, emotional stress, but are there we live in the most toxic time in human history do we have is is the toxicity of the world our heavy metals like what is depleting? aminos? So to such a vast degree, or is it just equally all those things I just mentioned

Dr David Minkoff
Well, it’s, it’s these these all these things are poisons, you know, they’re poisons, the chemicals and pesticides and herbicides and dyes, and all this synthetic stuff, the plastics and the gasoline additives and all this stuff. I mean, we measure all this stuff in people, everybody who comes in, they get a panel with 24 environmental toxins, and there’s no reason. I mean, that’s, it’s an everybody, there’s no escaping this, the, the planets. And the food is, you know, nutrient depleted. So it’s this mixture of toxicity and depleted nutrients, which then the structure, you know, the bodies of physical structure, it’s built on a sample, a cell is a living thing, and it needs stuff to live. And if you you know, if you if you have fish in your fishbowl and you start pouring, you know, fifth of vodka in the in the fishbowl every other day, well, you’re gonna have dead fish, or you’re gonna have sick fish. So if you’re doing that stuff to yourself, I had a guy today he’s this guy is, uh, you know, like he, in the when they dealt out bodies and genetics, he won the lottery. Okay, so he was a college athlete. He finished college, and he saw a sign, he didn’t know what he was going to do. And he saw a sign. This is 20, this is 40 years ago, he saw a sign that said, Officer and a Gentleman, join the Navy will make you a pilot. And you can have an exciting life. And that triggered him. So he goes into pilot school never having even you know, he’d been in an airplane, but he knew nothing. And he said he was in a class where a lot of these guys had private pilot’s licenses, and they were already floated. They had all the, you know, 1000s of hours experience. And he said, they gotten that glass and I was like swimming for my life. But then he became a combat pilot. And then he was 30 years with American Airlines as a pilot. And he was drinking a lot and didn’t have a good lifestyle. Got a melanoma, a big one, which is life threatening thing. So he comes to our clinic, what can I do? And I said, You can’t drink. You can’t, you have to eat organic food. We have to work it out. So you have a bowel movement every day, you have to take these dozen supplements. We’re gonna stick you in the IV room and give you IV ozone and vitamin C and magnesium and all this other stuff. And you’re gonna go on a paleo diet. And he came in today at he was it six weeks. And he walks in and he smiles at me. And he said, I feel like a new guy. That’s awesome. He said, I haven’t had to drop alcohol in six weeks. And my brain is back on. Yeah, that’s amazing. You know, it’s,

Dr. Mindy
it’s so certain behaviors like alcohol, if you’re if you’re drinking alcohol, if you’re under a lot of stress, if you’re on other medications, like just to help people that are listening, that might start to put their own picture together. Is there are there certain behaviors we do that are more amino acid depleting than others?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, I think it’s the it’s the, it’s along with the depletions. There’s definitely amino acids. I think if a person wants to be healthy, there’s sort of no free lunch. You know, I grew up my dad was a beer distributor. Okay. And I worked my way through college on a beer truck on a kid. Okay, yeah. But you can’t do that if you want to be healthy. Oh, he’s no positive benefits. I hate to say it, it’s very unpopular. But if you want to poison yourself drink alcohol, there is no safe amount. If you feel any but the least effects it means that that alcohol has gone into your brain and it has poisoned your nerve cells. Now, if you want to live a long time and keep your mental faculties, you know, there’s tests being done now that the average 27 year old has has concrete signs on testing of memory loss. 27 year old. Okay, so there’s rules. You know, there’s rules. Like when the when we were all created, there was rules on how this stuff all works. And there’s no free lunch. You can’t cheat it. There’s no you can’t, okay. You don’t have to be perfect. But you got to be 80% there. Yes. Okay. And in today’s world, the closer you are to perfect, the better off you’re

Dr. Mindy
gonna say in today’s world. I think that’s a really big like, if you’re in your 60s trying to regulate your health like you did in your 20s The world has changed.

Dr David Minkoff
The world changed. So if you want to be you know, just take myself for example, like I want to my goal is that I win my age group at the Ironman World Championship when I’m 85 years old. That’s my goal. Okay, now I Got it, that’s 11 years from now. So I want if I can go as fast then as I am, now I will win my age group and I’ll be a world championship. Okay, I’ll be a world champion. Okay? So that’s my dream, okay? But, but even then, if you want to, you know, you have children or grandchildren, you want to be able to get down on the floor with your grandchildren or your great grandchildren, and be able to get up and get down and play and move. You know, like, the statistics are that if you’re 60 years old, and you fall down or break your hip, there’s a 50% chance you will be dead within a year. Yeah. You know, like, these are very startling statistics that everyone is pretending isn’t there, but it’s really there. Yeah, there are, you know, and and look at all the people that are on all the medications for high blood pressure, and diabetes, and cholesterol and pain, and can’t sleep and anxiety and depression. They’re all getting poisoned. Yeah, I am not there are there are times when drugs can be very helpful. And I am not always anti, but I understand if someone has high blood pressure, and they’re going to have a stroke, well, they need some medicine. But right, what you need from them is three to six months, where I can reconfigure and restructure their lifestyle and their food and their habits and their supplements. And we have a darn good chance of either very much reducing their medicine or getting them off of medicine, and they will be actually healthier. And they will regain health. And that’s what people have to understand. And it’s it’s against the whole tide of, you know, where, you know, the, the, the the pharmaceutical companies and the big agriculture companies, they run the world, and they run all the advertising, and they brainwash people into what is supposed to be good. You know, now there’s, I just saw a vegan label on Oreos, you know, vegans a thing now,

Dr. Mindy
ya know, become quite popular with with not good reasons. So, yeah, yeah. So

Dr David Minkoff
like, like, the person says, Oh, I’m a vegan now. And I’m paying attention. My health, oh, look, Oreos are vegan, I can eat those, you know, with artificial fats, and sugar and dyes and glyphosate. And they’re, you know, it’s poison.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. Right. It’s yeah. So so if you know, you’ve been living a toxic life, and let’s actually put it in the context of mental health, because as we’re coming out of the pandemic, mental health seems to be like this, this topic that everybody is willing to sort of chat about in a different way now. And the way I look at it is we just went through a whole lot of stress. And we were all of our routines were changed, a lot of people gained weight. A lot of people, you know, got the vaccine, which it to your point is a synthetic could be considered a medication. So all of these these toxic physical, emotional, and chemical toxins we were inundated with for the last two years, and then we come out of the out of that, and we say, Hey, we’ve got a mental health problem in our world. And it would be easy to say, Yeah, because you locked us up for the last two years. But what when I actually get to root cause I think, actually, what happened is we depleted our amino acid system even more, which is it leading to even more mental health, which is causing you to react to your situation differently? Is it talk a little bit about as we move forward out of the pandemic, I think mental health is getting more and more intention. And my feeling is don’t treat mental health until you treat the amino acid defense deficiency and maybe the mineral deficiency. Can you talk a little bit about that? And if you agree with that statement?

Dr David Minkoff
I do. And I think that the mental health industry, huge industry, has been lying to people ever since their inception. A great depression isn’t a serotonin deficiency. That was a lie. It was a marketing gimmick. You know, Prozac doesn’t fix Mel doesn’t fix serotonin. It doesn’t. I have measured at least 500 people, probably more serotonin levels. And these people are on Prozac and their serotonin levels suck. It doesn’t fix it. Okay, it’s a toxic drug. So the whole mental health thing is, is is in completely the wrong direction. Because, you know, psychiatrists used to sit down and actually talk to people. And it can be therapeutic to talk to someone who will listen to you and help you work out your life situations. That is positive therapy is positive. There is good mental health practice, if you have a good friend, or you have a pastor or a minister or someone who wants to help you and can help you spiritually because this is a spiritual problem, right? That is the right way to do it. If you’re going to a psychiatrist for drugs, your your it won’t, it won’t fix you, it just won’t get you there, it’ll get you worse. So you know, all the mass all the mass shootings, all these crazy teenagers are on drugs, they’re on their psychiatric care, and they’re on drugs. And that’s the reason it isn’t as

Dr. Mindy
those drugs deplete amino acids, even more is what I’m thinking first,

Dr David Minkoff
of course, those drugs, those drugs actually kill the microbiome. If you want to make serotonin in your body, you have to have the right gut bacteria. And you have to have tryptophane, and then the cells in your intestine, the neuro endocrine cells in your intestine, which makes the serotonin they will make it. But Prozac kills the good bacteria that are needed for your body to then interact. And it’s a double, it’s a double negative, there’s nothing positive about it. So it’s, it’s, it’s just, it’s you when I was in my internship, I was at a hospital where there was a big mental health unit. And when I when we started an internship, there was a new guy there who he’s a the psychiatrists who took over the mental health unit, he had very different philosophies. Now, this is the, this is the late. This is the middle 70s. And pharmaceutical drugs were not as prominent as they are now. Okay. And they weren’t doing mass advertising on TV and magazines for people to get Prozac or, you know, Abilify or any of these other toxic things. They, they didn’t they, they weren’t able to do it. And so when he came in to the mental health unit, he was having a problem because he had too many patients for the number of beds that they had. And so he instituted a He instituted a policy, which that every morning at six o’clock, everyone in that mental health unit went into the parking lot with him. And they walk around the parking lot for an hour, he made them get outside rain or shine and walk for an hour around that parking lot. And the mental health unit within two or three weeks emptied out, because they kind of came into present time. You know, they started making their own serotonin exercise is better than any drug for mental health. Exercise, you get out there and you sweat and you walk or you play tennis, you do something, and it’s your best therapy for mental health. Okay? Rugs don’t close. So these basic things are like you they’re they’re doable by every person. They don’t cost any money. They’re out there. Right? And so

Dr. Mindy
can you Oh, can you overdo aminos? Like, can you take too many of them?

Dr David Minkoff
Have the blender perfect amino you can’t. They, you know, if you’re getting more than you need, the body will just turn them into a carbohydrate like it does with other stuff. But

Dr. Mindy
if it turns it into a carbohydrate, carbohydrate does it spike glucose?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, like the perfect amino doesn’t spike glucose, and it doesn’t spike insulin. But it will probably get turned into glucose. I think if you’re taking between 10 and 30 a day, you have no worries. Yeah, don’t take more than 10 at once. So 10 grams, which would be 10 tablets, or two scoops. So a time at a time within a two hour window. If you take it more often than two hours, you’re getting it you’re getting too much. So if you take 10 grams, once a day, one to three times a day, that you will be getting a lot you’re getting enough essential amino acids as a supplement to your diet because people like to eat and these unique foods and you could meet the other foods if you’re a vegan or vegetarian. I’d start with 10 three times a day. Okay, and then you might find out that based on your activity level, you know, maybe you can get away with 20 a day instead of 30 day. But that would be they will change it will change the person’s life. It will change their life. Their energy we

Dr. Mindy
watched it I’ve watched it change many lives and this is part of why I brought you on because it just has blown me away to see the changes has been incredible. Now what about the non essential that you saw and in perfect aminos which by the way, I’ve tested all the products and your product again this is another reason I have you here it’s it’s pretty profound. We see the biggest change with your product like immediate change. So I just want to give you kudos for that. But yours are the years are the essential aminos What about right what about the non essential aminos

Dr David Minkoff
your but you don’t need them? See? There’s no There’s no requirement From non essential amino acids, if they’re not essential the body can make them. And so the See, it’s not a protein daily requirement, it’s an essential amino acid daily requirement, that’s what’s required. You could take n grams of perfect amino three times a day and not eat any protein, and you would be completely fine your protein needs would be totally met, unless you were either a very big person, or you were, you know, riding the Tour de France where you had your needs just go up because you your, your, of your usage. This is interesting, too, I worked with one of the RadioShack teams that was that was, you know, with Lance Lance Armstrong, I didn’t know about the drugs at the time, but we were we were supplying amino acids. And what they had found is that, you know, so they have they have, so they’re riding their bike, you know, four or five hours a day for 21 days, and, you know, 21 days, and it’s a it’s, it’s abusive to the body and, and they always had breakdown, at the end of the tour, they were always sore, and their muscles were swelling in their joints were hurting. And they were all breaking down, even though they had, they were using vitamins. And they had, they have a chef that made all their food, and they got a massage every day, like they were doing everything they could. And we came in there and said, Okay, take 10 grams of perfect amino three times a day as a supplement to your other things that you’re doing. And those guys were stronger at the end of the race than they were at the beginning. They actually fitness, and they didn’t have any of the breakdown symptoms that they had before. Because what they were missing was the amino acids so that their body could actually recuperate. That’s it and they won that tour. And it was a it was it was just it was it was it was nutrition, you know, it was essential.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. So my understanding is every two to three hours, are you when you take let’s say your product, the perfect aminos, we should notice a difference. And I heard you say this in 20 to 30 minutes, and then you should

Dr David Minkoff
it’s in your bloodstream between 30 minutes.

Dr. Mindy
Now there. Should you note Yeah, go ahead. When would you notice it?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, some people notice that there’s a study done early on, where you had people in a wheelchair who weren’t quite strong enough to stand up and gave them 10 grams of perfect amino and then in a half an hour’s tried to see if they could stand up. And almost all of them could stand up like they got a pretty quick recovery. So

Dr. Mindy
within a couple of hours, so then you got to do it again. Is that kind of the cadence? Yeah,

Dr David Minkoff
I mean, or your or your, you know, I’m trying to build this not as that you never eat any other protein, but that you use this as a supplement to you have, you know, some people are doing intermittent fasting. So they’re eating, they’re only eating protein, probably two meals, you know, they’re passing till noon. So maybe they have 30 grams of protein, or 40 grams of protein for lunch. And maybe they have 30 or 40 grams of protein for dinner. Okay, so let’s say they’ve got 80 grams of protein. So if I ate 80 grams of protein per day, with my activity level, okay, so I’m working out I’m doing I do triathlon training. So, you know, I’m, you know, I’m doing 14 to 16 hours a week of very active intense exercise, my requirements are higher. So I figure I need probably 150, or 160 grams of protein a day. Now, I usually don’t eat, I do take a 10 grams of perfect amino when I first get up in the morning, but my poor proteins are lunch and dinner. And I might have six or eight ounces of fish or steak at dinner and something similar at noon eggs or something at noon, where maybe I’m getting 70 or 80 grams of protein per day. Now I need 150 I can eat that much protein, and I can maintain my intermittent fast. If I’m going to, there’s just, you know, I’m going to I would have to be eating all afternoon, which just work so I can’t. So what I do is I have to make up 60 grams of protein a day. And if I take 1060 grams 10 grams of perfect amino, it’s the equivalent of 30 grams of steak 30 grams of protein steak. Wow, that’s impactful big 10 grams twice a day, that’s another 60 grams that I add the 60 to my 80 that I’m actually eating as protein and I’m at 151 60 and I’m fine I got enough and my serum uric acid levels are all really good and my recoveries really fast. And I’m my nails are they grow? You don’t have to clip them twice a week because they frickin grow. So, you know,

Dr. Mindy
you have a nice head of hair, huh? Well said hair

Dr David Minkoff
getting a little bit but it’s, you know, it’s the best I can do.

Dr. Mindy
It looks good to me. So okay, and then as you Let’s go back to like the woman who’s in her 60s or 70s, she’s now been through menopause. So hormones are down. And to your point early on, she has got, you know, her amino acids sensors or your her ability to absorb these aminos become less the cells not taking them in. And so does she need to do even more like if would instead of three scoops a day of perfect aminos? Would she double that? Or is that where you really want to test and find out?

Dr David Minkoff
Well, you could sort of just eyeball it and say, okay, she weighs 120 pounds. Let’s just say she’s, she’s 120 pounds, let’s say 50? Let’s just say 50 kilos to make the math easy. Okay, well, what I would say is that she needs 1.6 grams of protein. This is crude, but this is a way to think of it. Yeah. 1.6 grams of protein per day for her. So 51.6 is 80 grams of protein per day. Okay, now the chances that she’s eating 80 grams of protein per day are none? pretty minimal. Yep. pretty minimal. Yeah, I mean, it’s, she’s she’s, so let’s say that she’s having four ounces of protein of some kind of animal protein, two or three times a day. And there’s about seven grams per ounce of animal protein of is seven grams of protein per ounce of animal protein. So she has four ounces. So she gets 28 grams of protein. It could be tuna fish, or it could be, you know, steak or hamburger or something like that. These are crude, but this is just an idea. Right? And so maybe at the end of the day, if she needs 80 grams, maybe she’s getting 50 or 60. Right? He needs another 30. Yeah. So I’d say to her take two scoops of perfect amino every day, that gives you the equivalent of 30 grams of an animal protein. And let’s see how you go with that. Now, if I get her blood work back, and she’s really deficient in amino acids, or she’s got osteoporosis, or she’s got other symptoms, you know, she’s fatigued, or she’s anemic, you know, right? You know, these are all things which are very key and protein, I probably for three or four months would say, Okay, I want you to double up on the perfect amino, because I need you to get more. And then let’s just see where you are. And people feel they often feel the difference. And it’s like, oh, man, that’s really good.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, I mean, I always say when you take a supplement, you should feel a difference. If you’re not feeling a difference, like either feel worse or better, then it’s most likely not working for you. So the last question I have and this one is one we asked you when you came to our doctor group that I think is really interesting one, and that’s that one of the principles of fasting, which we have a lot of listeners that are fasting is this concept around a toffee G and stimulating a toffee G requires that we keep our protein consumption under 20 grams. Do we know if I take perfect aminos in my fasting window? Do we have any science or any indication that it’s moving us out of a toffee G at that point?

Dr David Minkoff
We don’t really know. It’s not an easy thing to study. Yeah, great. Okay. So here’s what I think. If you had dinner at six o’clock and you haven’t eaten for 12 hours your body is is catabolic. There’s been no calories coming in these ongoing processes, making liver enzymes making this making that you know, 200,000 proteins in the body, which are still were working, you’re asleep. But they’re working. Where are they get there’s no depot for amino acids or proteins. Yeah. You know, you have fat depots, you have glycogen, which is sugar depots. Okay, right. So you can go a while without eating carbohydrates and fats, because there’s depots and your body can draw on those. There isn’t a depot for amino acids and proteins, that depot is mostly skeletal muscle. So when you’re fasting, you’re breaking down skeletal muscle, and you’re paying a bollock which means you’re breaking these down. Where’s it getting it? It’s getting it from there. Right now. About a 30 You know, 30 gram dose of protein We’ll kick the anabolic the build it on. And I think early in the morning, you want it kicked on? Because you don’t want to go till noon. catabolic? Yep. And people who fast too much, or or go to one meal a day, in six months there, they’ve lost lean lean body mass. Yeah. body down. Okay, so, so So I think there are periods when you want to fast and you want to eat and you want to turn, it’s the flexibility of this mTOR system that you want. And if you think we’re gonna get healthy by keeping your mTOR turned off, you’re just going to get dumb and weak. Yep. So 10 grams of perfect amino as soon as I get up in the morning. Yeah. And that now, was blood sugar, it doesn’t raise insulin, right? I wear a glucose monitor, when I check it all the time, I can have 10 grams of amino acids, the blood sugar doesn’t move, and the insulin doesn’t move. So you don’t get an atom. You know, insulin turns on mTOR. Right. So you don’t get a stimulus from insulin. I don’t know if it turns on mTOR or not, I’m kind of hoping it does turn on emcor. Because I want to be anabolic when I get up. I get up and jump in the pool with 40 other crazy guys, and it’s cold water. And it’s real hard. And I want to be anabolic from that activity, not catabolic. Right. Yeah. So. So I think it’s a, I think you can safely do it, and it won’t mess with your

Dr. Mindy
autophagy. Yeah, well, and I’ll tell you, what we have been promoting in with within my membership grip, is to do exactly what you said, go ahead and have your aminos in your fasting window. And when people take like, you know, I all put a glass of perfect aminos and all Drink, drink it all morning long. When they do that they actually their fasting period is much easier. They don’t have as many symptoms. And then we have them when they break their fast they break it with protein and have another glass then have the perfect nose. And it’s been beautiful way to get the benefits that you can get from some intermittent periodic periodic fasting but not have the complete depletion of amino acids. It’s worked incredible.

Dr David Minkoff
Yeah. That’s, that’s brilliant. And it’s right on, you know, the liver enzymes have a half life of about 15 minutes. When you’re in an in an autophagy state, you’re creating free radicals sell breakdown products junk to be processed. You want your liver on, you don’t want it off. Yeah. And you take the 10 grams of perfect amino and it’ll be on it’ll be honest, I got the stuff no, I need.

Dr. Mindy
So cool. Well, I swear I could talk amino acids with you all day. So I just want to thank you for and I probably will bring you back. Because when I see something as critical as a missing nutrient that is the root cause of so much suffering with people’s mental and physical health. I feel like I want to shout it from the rooftops. And we have so much chronic disease, we have so many chronic health problems, we’ve got women that are going into menopause and having severe like, challenge mental challenges. I recently saw that the most popular time or most common time for women to commit suicide is between 45 and 55. And I realized that that’s when all these depletions show up. It’s like you can get away with it like to your point when you’re younger. But as you get older, you can’t get away with it. And aminos is at the root of so many challenges. So thank you for your product, and thank you for your expertise and everything you’re doing. So I really, really appreciate yours is by the way your email list is one of the few that I’m I will stay on and I read on a regular basis. Those are I don’t know who writes those articles, but you do a really good job. Okay, thank you. It’s me. It’s you. That’s why they’re really well done. So thank you. Talk about where people find you and I know you have a clinic in Florida. So those of you that are close you can go see Dr. Minkoff, personally. So talk a little bit about how we can find you we will leave links for your aminos because we’re such huge fans. So let us know where we can find the rest of your information.

Dr David Minkoff
Okay, so my clinic is called LifeWorks Wellness Center li Fe WR ks Wellness Center. We’re in Clearwater, Florida. We have a we have a probably one of the biggest integrative medicine clinics in the country. A lot of the patients that we see are sort of chronic unsolved medical problems Lyme disease chronic fatigue lot of cancer, and we treat it holistically. And people come literally from all over the world to see us. They usually spend a couple of months and we get them tuned up. We have a large staff about 75 people and three MDS and four nurse practitioners. So we, we have a lot of services, if there’s a exists out there diagnostic equipment or therapeutic equipment, we’ve got an in our place. I write a two newsletters, one is called the optimum health report. And it’s free. And if you go to LifeWorks Wellness Center, you can sign up for it. The other one is the other company that I have is I started a nutrition company back in 2000, because I wanted to get the best products and perfect aminos manufactured by body health. So it’s body health.com on both sides. And there’s a free newsletter that goes with that one too. That’s sort of the performance, longevity type stuff. The newsletters are popular, and we have you know, I don’t know 1000 People getting them and they we get, we get good feedback. So you can try it if you’d like it. If not, you can cancel me out. There’s hundreds of videos on both websites. So if you’re interested in a topic, learning about a topic, and you’re gonna watch those videos, I think you can get an idea what, which is some of the stuff we talked about here. But where you get a lot more information to really, you know, empower yourself to get healthy. See, the only way we’re going to transform the society is if people stopped buying the toxins that are being sold. Yeah, amen. Don’t go if you if you just go to Publix, or one of the big grocery stores, and you just stand and watch what people put in their grocery carts. And then look at their bodies, you will see a pretty good correlation between obesity diabeetus, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, no energy, you know, can’t sleep, sleep apnea, these are all because of how they’re living and what they’re buying in the grocery store and what they’re putting in your mouth. And you don’t want to be that person. No, well, if you can take your own health into your own hands. And you may need a practitioner or a coach to help you. But a lot of it, you can just do yourself, get on a paleo organic diet, do some intermittent fasting, start the supplement program, take perfect amino get out and exercise every day, you can walk, you can play tennis, you just do something that you enjoy, where you can get a little bit sweaty, and you can get some fresh air and you could get some sunshine, and set your clock that every night at 10 o’clock, my lights are out, okay. Unless there’s a dire emergency, nobody’s getting me after 10 o’clock at night, and I wake up at quarter to five, I make sure that I get enough sleep for my body. And some people need more sleep, some people need less. But these are like essentials that you just have to have. Or you will never be healthier, you’ll never regain your health. And if you do these things, the other thing is you have to have a bowel movement every day. And you have to drink a lot of healthy clean water. And that’s about it. And you know, I get in the sauna four or five days a week, because the sweat really helps. And you can then you can you can get your body back to health. And this just go back to your land pilot for a minute. He said, You know, I feel my body coming back to the way I used to feel when I had vigor. And I had you know, and I had what I want, which was health. And I could

Dr. Mindy
like I would 1,000% agree on that. Like I can tell when I do my aminos regularly I feel the exact same way.

Dr David Minkoff
Yep. So that’s what you want. And that’s if that’s what you want, you know

Dr. Mindy
if that’s what you I hope that’s what you want. But yeah, to know your that power is in your control of how you feel. That’s amazing. So So one last question.

Dr David Minkoff
Amino acids, I so I wrote a book on this. It’s an Amazon bestseller, it’s called the search for the perfect protein. You can go on Amazon and buy it. If you want to get a PDF version, you go on the body health website, and you could download it. It’s written for, you know, third grade level. So you’ll be able to understand everything, some of it I talked about today, but But why amino acids are important, and why you should take them. And it’s, it’s, it’s a really good book, and it it will educate you and you’ll learn a lot.

Dr. Mindy
Perfect and I’m a huge fan of turning into books like that for as a resource not only because I write books, but it is a content one contained place, that information that and you know, you listen to a podcast like this and you grab maybe 10% of what we’re talking about, but then when you can get his book in your hand And now you can go in and get gain more momentum as far as your knowledge goes. So I haven’t downloaded that book, so I’ll go download it as well. So thank you. Okay, and okay, here’s my last question. This season has been about gratitude. We’ve been really highlighting what gratitude practices our guests have. So do you have a gratitude practice? And if so, what is it? And what are some things that you’re really grateful for this year?

Dr David Minkoff
You know, it’s interesting, if you close your eyes, and then you just open them. And you actually look at what’s here. It’s a miracle beyond comprehension. And then you close your eyes again. And you look, and you say, there’s a brand new world out there. And if you do that, you start to look, and you start to see and you start to appreciate. And then I think that’s the one that’s the that’s the one thing where you can give yourself a gift. The second thing is, you know, people are chasing dopamine rewards, okay? Oh, chocolate brownie gives a dopamine reward. A winning a video game gives you a dopamine reward. So I was thinking about it. And I was saying, like, where do I get my best, biggest dopamine rewards? And their interactions with people that I help? Yeah, yeah. So this guy today, so this airline pilot today, he said, I just have to tell you how grateful I am, that you’re here, and that you have really transformed my life in six weeks. And I just can’t tell you, I could go on for an hour. And so that’s a so that’s for me, that’s dopamine, like I helped somebody. Yeah, thinking, looking for purpose in your life or meaning. That if you can figure out how you can interact with the people in your life, of where you can do that, and, and you will get back that dopamine, it isn’t money in it isn’t fame. It’s way way more precious. It’s eaten at a purpose here. And my purpose was to help and I actually was successful. Holy cow, well done. I’m grateful that I can help. And that’s the biggest one there is. It’s better than any drug. It’s better than cocaine. It’s makes you big. Instead of individual things which make you small. I’m great. I want to race. Oh, whoopee. For about 30 seconds. It’s a dopamine rush. But this guy? No, I’ve got that literally forever. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Oh my gosh. Well, I loved you going into this interview, but I think I might love you even more now. So Dr. Minkoff, thank you again just we’re gonna bring you back because I really want to dive even more but thank you for your products thank you for your your knowledge and most of all, thank you for your heart and your and your your desire to serve so we just the world is a better place with you on it. So thank you so much. I greatly appreciate you taking the time and we’re so we’re all benefiting from your amino product. So thank you so much.