What Genes Tell Us About Our Health – With Teri Cochrane

Dr. Mindy
For starters, let me just thank you for coming on the resetter podcast. So thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. And I don’t know what you know about our audience. But we have both men and women over 40. A lot of women going through menopause, a lot of women that are just really what I call trying to take their power back with their health. Yeah, so this is why I wanted to have this conversation. And I’m gonna be really transparent, that once I bought into Epi genetics, I pretty much said, Okay, I can do anything, I want to overturn my genes. So when I heard your work, and I learned about you from the higher dose scouts, when I learned about your work, my first thought was, okay, wait, am I supposed to eat to change my genetics? Or am I supposed to look at my genetics to decide what I’m going to eat? So why don’t we start the conversation there? Why is there is it so important to match these two?

Teri Cochrane
So, so delighted to be on your show? Thank you for having me as well. And I’m so delighted to talk to your audience. And to answer your question in the shortest version, it’s a yes. And so no,

Dr. Mindy
I hate Yes. I gotta tell

Teri Cochrane
you, I’ll tell you why. I’ll tell you why. Okay, so epigenetics is the science of how our environment influences our genes. So our genes are our genes, and they will always be our genes. And so now in the world of epigenetics, we’re looking at snips, which are single nucleotide polymorphisms, which are variants in that specific gene. And so what we do is that we match your genetic blueprint to your current state of health, because it’s not just the blueprint that you have, which is it speaks to what might be your vulnerabilities but have those gene variants has been expressed? And how are they expressing and food is a huge component? mood is a big component, our environment, what we put on our body in our body, what, what we surround ourselves with? So yes, what we look at is, what are those vulnerabilities? Right? So we don’t want to step in landmines. Right. And, and also what foods can support the the expression that we would love, and also support the expression that we want to stay away from? So we say, are you eating the right wrong foods? And so for example, the foods that have been touted as being so healthy, let’s talk about I named it killer kale, Dave Asprey and I, so killer no

Dr. Mindy
one likes kale. Kale is just getting beat up all over the place and the good reason

Teri Cochrane
for it. So kale contains both oxalates and sulfur pieces now. We have 23,000 genes, we’re actually not that complicated, we’re tantamount to an earthworm in terms of the complexity of our genome. Isn’t that interesting, right? I’ve heard that. Yeah, we have the bigger brain. And so we can think about it. And the expression of the genes comes to where am I in my expression of these genes? Now, for example, take me I have what I call, I’m squiggled. From a gene perspective, I

Dr. Mindy
wait, wait, wait, what’s that works Google? Googled, I made it I love it. You’re like, you’re screwed. And and what’s Google?

Teri Cochrane
And you know, you just got can’t google it away. You know, your scribble.

Dr. Mindy
I love that. Scribble. Okay, I’m so gonna use that. I’ll give me credit for it.

Teri Cochrane
Yeah, you can’t google it away, right. It’s like, oh, my gosh, I just don’t know what’s going on. So it just my genome. in it of itself. I have I’m like the Princess and the Pea. I’ve got impaired sulfur processing mechanisms, and we’ll talk about that. That’s those are broccoli, cabbage, arugula, bok choy killer kale. I’ve got impaired Oxalic metabolism. Those are my berries in my almonds and my black beans. Right? I’ve got a double methylation girl, meaning I’ve got one snip for either one. So that goes to fat and to protein. Wow. Right? I’ve got a lot of genes that go to neurotransmitters so I’ve got to really be careful with over methylating we think oh, these you know, functional Doc’s say, okay, you’ve got this methylation gene, let’s just throw a lot of folate or B 12 atcha. Well, maybe not. Because you have other genes like the comp gene which goes to catecholamines or the CBS gene which goes to sulfur also neurotransmitters, I call that the central broadcasting station gene, then giving you a B 12. Or a folate is going to over methylate you and so we look at are these buzzy bees? Are they going to kick your butt? Are they helper bees and so it changes based on where you are. So if you’re in a really beautiful state of homeostasis of balance, then I can have a little bit of broccoli here and there and I can have some almonds and and some black beans. Am I going to have them all together? Heck no. Am I going to start a smoothie in the morning? No way, but I can have them however, if I just got whacked with mold because I just entered into a mold infested building. And I slipped up there at the hotel and I wake up and I can’t remember my name, because that mold is tripped my CLM T gene, that I better stay away from anything that feeds that mold, like the oxalates, the berries, the almonds, which increase the oxalic acid, which then feeds the mold. So that’s like, we have to do the Yes, and, but it’s a very beautiful dance. And what I will tell you is I work with children from as young as I have a two and a half week old here. And so we match the genetic blueprint of the mother and the father so the baby can be its best self. And we work to a geriatric crowd. And I will tell you, Mindy that some of these kids that are 10 years old, know more about their bodies than most adults, because they’ve been they’ve been raised in this trajectory of, you know, this wild aterian way, the Cochrane method, and they’re so empowered. We just took a young woman, she’s been working with me for a decade, she was anaphylactic to 52 foods, anaphylactic this thing could. Her mother was always in Mad, Mad distress of you know, I’m going to put my child into a public arena. She may die. She’s eating all of those foods. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. So we turned off the genes her Dao genes, her histamine gene, she was so high in histamine genes and not able to process phase one liver detox genes literally reshaped her body and she is, her name is Liliana. I’m so proud of her. She is so empowered, she’s a little she is like in charge this little 10 year old who’s so in charge of her body and not fear.

Dr. Mindy
But you know, on a on a global scale, that’s, that’s the kind of work we need to deal with all children, you know, and empower them because the I always say Big Pharma is not going to relent, big food is not relenting like we need to empower each individual. So it let’s use that two year olds, or the two and a half week old example. If we know a genetic profile of a two and a half week old baby on what foods they should eat it Do we have to keep checking the test over time to see if those genes change? And will they change with things like puberty? vaccination schedules, like what what changes them?

Teri Cochrane
But that phenomenal question? All right, so this two and a half week old baby, which what we do is we have the we do the intersection of the mother’s genes, the father’s genes and the baby’s genes and the mother breastfeeds. To that, which is the lowest common denominator of what is best for that baby. Crazy. Okay. So and what’s expressed? And yes, again, yes, it will change this is the dynamism of us. This is why the whole aspect of the Cochrane method is eating to your genetic blueprint, and your current state of health. So if you’ve just had a puberty expression, okay, so now you’re this young lady, and you’ve got all these hormones circulating? Well, those are fat soluble. And by the way, oh, you have the MTHFR, si six 717, Gene polymorphism, which you’re already recycling, you’re predisposed to recycle estrogen. Oh, and you have a lot of yeast infections, which is Candida, I call Candida, the biofilm layer, around Candida, the jelly doughnut, because it’s a lipid layer, right? And it makes Candida really hard to get rid of, then what we do with these young ladies is during your period and midcycle, you go zero fat, because your body’s already having to manage that overburden of the hormones. And I will tell you, it makes a huge difference in their not only in the way that they look on the outside, where they’re their face is much less acne prone, and they’re less fluffy. But mental health is so important, because estrogen and serotonin compete for the same little part of your cell receptor site. So when estrogen is out of control, that’s why women PMM PMU and s PMDD. And when women go through menopause, similarly, that’s why they used to say, well, you know, it’s she’s going through menopause. So she’s having these wacky moods. Well, I say, Listen, it’s my liver and my estrogen that’s recirculate circulating. And let me fix that. And then I’ll be back to normal. So your question around vaccines, I really hope that one of my goals, long term goals on this planet, as a human and an individual, that we are so much in our power, Monday, we have so much power when we’re in our power, and each person has more power than we could ever imagine. So as a mother, I got into this because my son was I was told it was broken. And so there’s a whole story behind that. And now he’s not broken, for sure. And so, if we’re gonna have that, and I’m not completely anti vaccine, however, if you have certain genetics, you better know what they are you better not vaccinate to the in the wrong way. And now what I will say is, over the last 20 years, vaccines have gone to from like 17 vaccines to over 80 vaccines. Yeah, and I work with a lot of autism. And when these vaccines get joined together, five and one is a disaster if you can’t methylate if you can’t break down protein these days These viruses are proteins are attenuated in their life. That’s a problem. Yeah. So absolutely,

Dr. Mindy
I think, I think the idea that there’s a one size fits all, whether it’s a workout, a medication, a diet, a fast a supplement, like, can we the everybody that’s listening, just put that away. Like that was a story that was created to simplify health care. And that is why we have so much chronic disease, don’t you agree?

Teri Cochrane
So well said, Put that down. Everyone put that down. It’s so confusing because so confusing. You go down one row, okay, everybody do this? No, everybody do that. And when people ask me, Terry, what should I do? Is this good for me? And I said, Maybe let’s talk about it. Right. And what’s back to being in our power, Mindy is that the body is constantly giving us feedback. Yes, yes. I but we don’t know what it means. So I say I’m multilingual and one of my languages is body. I love that.

Dr. Mindy
I’m gonna start saying that because I don’t speak another language. So but I do speak Body. Body. Oh my god. I love that.

Teri Cochrane
Right. So so it’s really important. So for example, we get up in the morning we have dark circles, okay, that’s an allergic shiner. So something I ate just gave me a histamine response. Right? If I touch my forearm and I see a white indentation, my lymph isn’t working. So I’m fluffy. That means I’m my lymph isn’t working. That’s a fat metabolism issue. I’ve got yellow around my, around my mouth, my livers clearly not working. If I have a gray, paler, that’s kidney that means I’m not processing my proteins. You know, if I have fungus on any part of my body, I better stay away from anything that’s mold fermented, sprouted even high histamine. So we can go down literally in scan our body every day and say, How am I and why am I and again, part of my model? I’m really a teacher. You know, if people ask me, what’s really what really do you do, I teach and I educate, I inform I empower. Because once we have information and that information is fluid, yeah, the body knows, maybe the body knows. And so when somebody tells you and I tell this to my clients all the time, if I’m giving you information, and you’re like, wait a minute, this doesn’t feel right. You’re your highest authority, let’s talk about it. Because your body said, I don’t think so. Right. Right. Right. And so,

Dr. Mindy
you know, I always tell my community that you don’t need a fancy treatment, you need to know how to get yourself well, that would be like another paradigm shift that I feel like needs to happen is we have to stop giving our power away to health professionals of all kinds. And we need to start educating ourselves about us and and creating a custom path for us. Once you get that, you know, and I My passion is helping women, once like a woman gets a hold of that she’s gonna change her family, she can change her friends, she’s gonna change her community, and teach that to everybody around her. So I love that you said that. It’s like, we need to stop looking at healthcare as I don’t want to say a victim. But there’s a, you know, somebody who’s, who is giving their power away to the expert. It should be a synergistic team approach, don’t you think? 100%.

Teri Cochrane
And, you know, this is a dance, right? And so being a good listener on either side, and I, I hopefully I’m empowering my clients to listen really well. Not only to me, but to their bodies, and then keep keep record. It’s like, oh, yes, I had this. And now I feel that way. I will tell you just last week, we had a young woman that we’ve worked with, she’s 23 years old, she’s had rheumatoid arthritis. That’s a autoimmune condition for an inflammatory arthritic pain, since she was two. Okay, in four months, that Ra is gone. Wow. So from 21 years to four months, she had a massive sulfur sensitivity, she had fat metabolism issues, she had pathogens, and she’s like, I can’t believe it and my face is better, my periods are better, my stomach is better, not just my joints. And so and she says, Now, when I don’t when I go off the Terry Ranch, they call it I don’t eat those, you know, those foods that I eat those foods that aren’t my best matches. Then I feel it right over time as we heal and seal the gut and the the memory fades and we’re getting new. We’re building new neurological pathways, new neuronal pathways. So we’re not saying okay, if this then because the body is so adaptive, and we that’s always adapting we are we are pattern we are we are we are inherently patterns, multiple trillions of patterns that are happening every millisecond in the body. But when we write the same script, we’re gonna get the same output in the same pattern. When we rewrite the script, the pattern changes, and that’s so powerful.

Dr. Mindy
All right. Yeah, amen. And the other thing I want to highlight that you said a few minutes ago, and this is something that I’ve been really teaching my community is that when a with a woman who has hormones when those hormones go high, there is a lifestyle change that needs to happen. And you know, this is what my my new book that will come out fast like a girl is really teaching like, how do we fast around these hormones. And I feel like that also is the new wave that we need to talk about when we talk about customizing our lifestyle for our hormones we need to look at when hormones go high. There’s a lifestyle change when they drop, we’re usually can can stay do a few things a little different, but it’s in the like you said ovulation a week before the our periods that we really have to shift up. So what what how do we use genetics to tie into those two parts of the cycle?

Teri Cochrane
Great question. Well, today I actually had a client here who has been a client of mine for almost two decades and we graduate them but they come back and they check in with us. She had had a full hysterectomy at 25. Had her gallbladder taken out in her early 30s. She was been on thyroid medication forever. She used to be a size 16. Now she’s a size four. She’s not on thyroid medication. Right. So what we found for her is her genes. She had a multiple array of fat metabolism impairment, genes MTHFR C 677 T that goes to how you break down hormones, how you break down fats, the VDR TAC gene, how do you make vitamin D in the simulator because that’s a hormone precursor. That APOE gene. I know we talked about APO is an Alzheimer’s students but it’s also cholesterol genes. That’s a fat metabolism. Impairment gene. She also had an oxalate metabolism gene. So oxalis build that oxalic acid which builds biofilm, which is a fat, which then builds can’t, you know, feeds Candida and strep and all those things, which then disrupt insulin, which is a fat storage hormone. Right? So looking, and then you have the insr gene, which is what is your insulin receptor gene. So we look at all those genes and we say how are they dancing together? It was so fascinating Mindy is that she would always have GI issues because she would dump fat because her body couldn’t metabolize the fat. She was on thyroid medication. It was hurting her. She’s now off of all thyroid medications. She takes a tiny bit of pregnenolone it manages everything for her. Yeah, amazing. Amazing. It’s really fascinating that the body has this incredible ability to do what it’s supposed to do if we’re not sabotaging it.

Dr. Mindy
Right. So so the other thing I know about genetics hormones is that there are a class of, of toxins that dramatically shift our the way that our genes express themselves the way that our hormones and and the biggest one is heavy metals. We do a ton of heavy metal detoxing. I’ve watched 1000s of people detox in very different ways. So talk a little bit about where detox comes in. Because you have like, okay, yes, the genes determine how you’re going to detox but we also have the toxins are going to impact the genes. We’re like, it’s sort of a double edged sword constantly.

Teri Cochrane
Absolutely. So let’s talk about the genes that impact liver detoxification. Okay, so we’ve got multiple there’s a family of genes called the CYP 450 family of genes, that’s an umbrella 450 snips that goes to Phase One liver detoxification. Under that you’ve got the pond one snip that goes to how you metabolize chemicals and purge views. You’ve got the CYP to D six gene I have it which goes to how you metabolize Believe it or not, turmeric. If you take turmeric and you have that gene, you’re totally screwed gold, it can slow your it can slow. I love that term. I gotta use it. Like up to 55 Oh percent. My kids used to make fun of me because I couldn’t eat curry. I’m like, now I know kids. I have the CYP Judy 16. Get that curry off my plate. And then so another thing that has to do with heavy metals is not just about detoxification, but there’s another piece called the HFE gene which goes to are you prone to hemochromatosis, that is iron overload. Guess what folks iron is a heavy metal iron also will create become a lipid like oxidative stress or that will increase your pathogenic load because these pathogens like to feed on iron. So when I look at heavy metals, I also look at what is your body’s ability to process fats along with your detoxification genes because heavy metals hide and lipid layers

Dr. Mindy
they hide everywhere. Fascia, they hide a lamp they hide in nervous tissue like they do

Teri Cochrane
but they really they encircle that they encased themselves in this little fill. Right? That’s why we have to key late, right? And so some of the Some of the key lighters that I use Believe it or not salt emulsifiers vitamin C if you don’t have a lot of oxalic acid, they do they hide everywhere. I worked with a lot of Ms. It was copper toxicity for a woman. And we figured out where is this coming from? She did pottery, and copper was in the kilning.

Dr. Mindy
Crazy Oh, yeah, no, I some of the worst heavy metal tests I’ve seen have been with artists like drawing like people who are like painting or been doing ceramics. It’s really interesting. So so so on that let’s just stay on the heavy metal because this one really fascinates me is that once you remove the metal out, you find the rhythm for the person. Yes, literally in our world, what we’ve seen is health comes back, you know, a huge piece of what I believe is that the body heals itself, you just have to remove the interferences that is blocking it from healing. So do we then see if I if I find my rhythm with detox, I remove everything out. Now? Is there going to be a genetic shift? That happens?

Teri Cochrane
Yes. So again, genes will never change their expression changes, right? So our they behaving so now I can go ahead and do a little bit of acrylic and I’m okay because my it’s the hour I call it the allergy. second theme is how much can my body tolerate before trips, both from a detoxification perspective and a genetic perspective. And so this is where we do the dance, right? And we do the I call it the practice of the practice. So if I know that I’m a pure a poor detoxifier, which I am, again, I’m the princess and the pea. Every day, I juice with a green juice that’s neither oxalate rich or silver rich, because if I were to juice with kale, which I have, I have to have literally to get off the road. Because I can’t think I can find my way home. Right now I particularly juice with cilantro and cucumber. Why is that there neither oxalates sulfur, it doesn’t impair phase one. It doesn’t have heavy metals. Cilantro is a heavy metal key later every day. And cucumbers really rich in silica and also rich in water. And silica is like this beautiful binder. Right? And so every morning I start my morning with that cucumber cilantro juice, I put a little vitamin C in there, I put my wildlife my electrolyte powder in there. And I’m good to go. I’ll put a little college and if I if I want to, but typically that’s you got to keep that liver clear. It’s almost like washing your skin every day. Yeah, gotta love our liver.

Dr. Mindy
And we have to remember the most important organ in the body actually in 2022

Teri Cochrane
Holy moly. Yeah, yeah, I am, I am committed to juice. Now I don’t physically juice everyday because I have a centrifuge based juice that keeps the enzymes alive for about three or four days. So I just I just juice a bunch. And then I drink it every day and I don’t purely juice because if I were to do that, sometimes it’s too much of a hit on the liver. So I do about a third of my and then I do a third water liquid to help metabolize. So and I will tell you how do you know if your livers backed up? What’s the two really easy signs one body odor? If you have body odor, that means those hormones and not clear. Alright ladies, this is super important if you go okay, what’s going on? I don’t use deodorant or antiperspirant because I don’t I don’t have a set. When I travel I just got back from filming something when I travel and I’m I’m off plan and I can’t get to my green juice that I bring cilantro drops, right? But if I really am Off Plan and I’m eating the wrong foods, I can see it see a difference right? Oh my Oh, thank you gotta love my liver a little bit more when I get home. Yeah, so another thing is it comes out your skin is full. You know, it’s the largest detoxifying organ, right? If you feel like oh my God, I feel like I have a little acne. Or Gosh, I’m feeling fluffy. Right under my arm is hurts here that’s live. Yeah, the body’s always giving us feedback, but purely truly, for women in hormones and you know, your your audience, which is in that 42 and above. If that’s correct, then we’re in perimenopause. Because 35 to 55 is considered you can be impairing menopause in over

Dr. Mindy
20 year period, Dark Zone dark.

Teri Cochrane
It could be like, it could be like there’s

Dr. Mindy
a lot going on in that zone of 20 years. Let’s

Teri Cochrane
go Yeah, that’s that’s good stuff, too. Oh, absolutely. Now I can say it can be a dance of cha-cha where you’re back and forth, back and forth. Or it can be the waltz in your living just dancing on air. Right. Right. So and we can choose it. So the thing is truly is gotta love your liver. Understand what are your best detoxifiers Where do you hit that tipping point? And if you’re juicing and feel badly, don’t choose with that. It’s feedback. Keep on yeah, don’t keep trying to say it’ll get better. No, I won’t.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, so this this leads me to my other question, and probably why I’m shy I’d away from diving into more extensive genetic tests is that my my vision for the world to end chronic disease is that we’ve got to be able to get a tool into everybody’s hand, whether they can afford the tool or not, which is why I love fasting because everybody can afford that. So is what do we do if I can’t afford a genetic test? Are there like in your book? Is there like signs where you could know because you’ve also left a lot of great clues that people can learn how to read their bodies. Because if we’re going to get healthy, we have to have something that everybody can do that, you know, again,

Teri Cochrane
100%, and I’m all about access for all. And so we’ve developed a quiz to figure out what wild type are you based on our wild aterian umbrella of the four major portals of what I feel disease falls under. And so again, the quiz is very intentional. So for example, if you can’t build muscle, you know, you’re working out and you can’t build a muscle you’re not breaking down protein, that means you might have this tendency to have the a one to nine, eight, C polymorphism. For for methylation that you’re not breaking down protein, right? If you if you go to View eat asparagus, and you go to the bathroom. Excuse me, you can smell it coming out. That’s a sulfur gene. I’ll bet you a bison burger. You got that? CVS for the SU ox or the BH 14. Right? Did

Dr. Mindy
you just say you bet me a bison. But I love I feel like you and I need to be friends. I love the words. I was so good.

Teri Cochrane
Thank you. I would love to elevate have a glass of wine after Yes.

Dr. Mindy
But maybe I should see if I have the gene for it. Yeah, right. i But But to your point. So I think what what I feel is that we’ve got to teach people how to read their body. And the and the healthcare system in which we have grown up in says if you feel bad, you got to suppress it, you’ve got to change it. And one of the things I’ve said to my patients over the years, whenever they say something like Oh, I feel horrible, or something happened to happen, I’m like, fabulous, okay, let’s try to identify what your body is saying. So I feel so passionate about trying to get tools to people that don’t cost money. But a large part of that is going to have to be education, a large part

Teri Cochrane
of that, and actually I’m working on I’m in the process and the process of licensing my IP to a consumer app that literally it’s a very, very detailed quiz. And it says these are the foods you can and these are the foods you should and these are yellow Mason red zone. And this is why because it’s really based on an epigenetic mind module, or my algorithm of the Cochrane method, which is very, very complex in the algorithmic. But anything that works should be simple in its application, right? Yes. So how do we simply apply it you don’t need to know you don’t need to be a biochemistry geek like me, right? Well, you just got to know that if I ate sulfur and my joints hurt, I’m not going to eat that and what is okay, let me go down here. And where is my tipping point, right? Because I call like, Bush, number one, the kinder, gentler sulfur kids, right. So for example, cauliflower is sulfuric however, it also has a high manganese. So manganese is really important for lowering that histamine response. And if you have something like pots, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome, where your autonomic nervous system is whack, right, its way turned on, then a little bit of manganese and that cauliflower may benefit you. And so this is what I call the hierarchy of needs in the body. So for example, oxalate is a big chocolate, I’m excuse me, chocolate is a big chocolate. However, if you need dopamine, if you need serotonin, if you need magnesium, then that hierarchy of needs wins. Now, how do we know the hierarchy of needs? Well, I did not develop applied kinesiology but I have modified it in a way that gets super granular. And so it’s giving us real time feedback. Can you do this right now? Right? So we just had somebody today who was sensitive to oxalates, yet her nervous system was off and her dopamine or serotonin were off. And so she could eat some level of oxalate or excuse me, chocolate, are you going to eat that chocolate every day all day? No, but it may be something sometimes maybe right for you. And so this is the elegant dance of really getting to know your body. And I’m here to really show people that you don’t have to be a biochemist. But if you start listening and you start practicing the process, then it becomes easy because we are building again back to the building of these new neuronal pathways of saying and feeling because the body is always getting this feedback. Oh yes, this risk corresponds to this Okay, got it. Just like Liana the 10 year old who’s soaked this, you know, biochemistry of course. But she’s so flipping knows her body, Mindy?

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. And I was I was gonna say, you know, one thing I realized I do every day and I didn’t I didn’t realize it till you set it right now is when I have a morning time ritual, and I kind of assess how I’m feeling and there’s sort of different symptoms and then I I go back to the day before and I go, Okay, what did I eat? What supplements should I take? What behaviors should I do? And if I don’t feel good, I usually go back and look at what did I do that didn’t match how I want to feel today. And I feel like maybe that’s the starting place for everybody is let’s just, we have to start to realize when we have joint pain, it could be nutrition, when we have anxiety and depression, it could be something going on in our gut. Like, if we start to just take that part of the conversation, we’ve now really made a big difference in how people can interpret this, don’t you think? Absolutely. And it gives you your power

Teri Cochrane
back. So for example, I call it sneezing on the inside. You just don’t have to have a rash or a to to have his histamine. We had one client idiopathic anxiety disorder, it was all related to an increased hydrogen sulfide in her gut, that’s creating a mast cell responses creating histamine once we took away the histamine reasons. And we match your genetic blueprint to our current state of health. Correct. Idiopathic anxiety went away. And are the pharmacological issues taking rolling back in Upper liver? Because it was a histamine issue.

Dr. Mindy
Amazing. Yeah. So I hope everybody’s getting that. Like if you’re listening, and you’re like, Okay, well, I don’t know what all these genes are. For starters, you have a book, The Wild terian wild Terran. Yes. Yeah, you’re, you’re obviously good at names like naming stuff, like stuff like screw Google, like, oh, my god, that was amazing. But I but that that would be a place to start, they could read your book. And then they could start today by saying how I feel today, let me go back to the meal before I ate. Let me go back to the day before. And then let me start to kind of get curious about how I feel after I eat certain foods would it could it be that simple.

Teri Cochrane
It’s that simple. And also food is primordial. However, if you could be eating your best match of foods, and you just got some tremendously negative news. And all of a sudden, your body just flooded your system with epinephrine, which is what I call the dirty cupcake. It’s a fat and a sugar. Epinephrine will also impede the signal for the pituitary to signal the esophagus to produce I’m sorry, the esophageal sphincter to produce hydrochloric acid. So now you can’t break down protein. And hydrochloric acid is the key that unlocks enzyme. So you could be making your enzymes but hydrochloric acids missing again, your screwable. So all of a sudden, that meal you had, you can’t pick it down. And you’re like, I’m so confused. I just had my best meal that I know is right for me. Oh, but I just got this really like, take me off my center. Us. And my body flooded itself with this neuro hormone that stopped everything in its tracks. That so the

Dr. Mindy
My other question, and then we are going on to quantum physics, because that’s even more exciting. I mean, the gosh, I need like two hours with you. Is okay, what if I’ve got a toxic mouse situation? Or I’ve got breast implants? Or I’m living in a moldy home? Like I can I can look at my genetic profile, but they’re still, you know, I’m still being toxified on a regular basis? Is, is there a way to overcome that? That dripping of toxins every single day? Knowing with nutrition?

Teri Cochrane
Absolutely. Because I call food Mindy the Alpha and the Omega and I work with a lot of ex plant victims if you want to call them that. I don’t even want to call them survive victim.

Dr. Mindy
I hate that. That’s not us

Teri Cochrane
that right? X plant experiences. Okay,

Dr. Mindy
there we go. Excellent.

Teri Cochrane
So a lot of toxicity, right? And what I find is why Can someone get an implant and be okay, and why Can someone get an implant and not be okay,

Dr. Mindy
right. Right. Thank you. I’ve been asking the same question that didn’t like have a mouthful of like root root canals, or a mouthful of amalgams like and the end, they’re fine, but the other person can’t get out of bed.

Teri Cochrane
That’s where it gets to the genetic vulnerabilities. Okay. So if you can’t break down heavy metals, because all that phase one liver detoxification genes are, you’re vulnerable with if you have problems breaking down biofilm because you can’t break down fat and you’ve got the HLA dq to a gene, which means you can’t break down mold very well. Okay, if you’ve got a lot of neurotransmitter genes, that means you’re you’re more susceptible to really setting off neurological responses, which then is going to increase because we have more neurotransmitters in our gut than we do in our brain. So you have something and you set up all these neurotransmitters, which then completely shift the microbiota of your gut. Yeah, right. You’re going to be That’s why why did Suzy get nine a breast implant? I did great and she lives you know, in in a super fun site. Super fun. So She’s thriving. Is that right? And I, I’m so careful. And I’m disgruntled all the time, right? I can’t, I’m toxic now. genetics are part of it. And it’s what tripped the gene. So the Cochrane method has four portals of epigenetic expression, pathogenic environment, which includes foods and includes your Superfund site. Emotional, oh my gosh, that is the biggest signal to the gene and in the hierarchy of needs of the Cochrane method is calm the body first, if you are signaling, and a fight or flight response, everything else is going to be like salmon swimming upstream, it’s gonna be so much harder. And then the fourth one is, I just got whacked a physical impact. I had one gentleman 18 stools a day after being he’s a serial gym owner, right? So super entrepreneur, Mr. Buff, he comes to me, he sits in front of me, he’s like, I’ve been told you can help me. I’ve been to at least 20 gi doctors, I’ve lost like 35 pounds, I’ve lost my muscle mass. I’ve lost everything. And that was you know, my physiology. And I can’t stop going to the bathroom. And I’m literally dehydrated. And you know, it’s just a bad, bad scene. And I have a very intentional intake form. And I’m like, Oh my God, there’s nothing here. Yep, this guy, I got nothing for you. But then this is where we become a really curious observers name’s Bob. And I’m like, Bob, I’m seeing here is a little off. Tell me about that. i He goes, Oh, I got elbow that a basketball game 18 months ago. I’m like, really? What did your thing start 18 months ago. So what we figured was that impact to the eye, shifted his nasal vagal nerve, causing a massive reactivation of all the neurotransmitters in his gut. Fascinating. It was a vasovagal response. Yeah. Interesting. So no,

Dr. Mindy
I’m big. Again. I love it. And I’m like, how do we bring this, everybody because everybody can afford an analysis. So I love the idea. And I love the thought of healthcare moving in this direction. And I want to see a health care system for all.

Teri Cochrane
Absolutely. And the health care system for all really starts in the home. And it really starts with okay, like you do every morning. You know, what did I do the day before it? Let’s let’s be really curious. The the new health care systems starts with replacing fear with curiosity.

Dr. Mindy
I love that. Yes. Yes. Beautifully said thank you. Okay, I’ve we’ve got to dive in. Before I close this down, I again, I’m gonna I’m gonna have to bring you back or you and I need to connect so we can geek out on this more. So okay, let’s talk about the intersection of spirituality with science. Because people are always surprised that I’m so spiritual and so scientific at the same time. And I laugh and I say what we call woowoo. You guys can call it we will we actually now call it neuroscience.

Teri Cochrane
Absolutely. So I have been anointed the spiritual scientist.

Dr. Mindy
Okay, there we go. And the

Teri Cochrane
blue I call it blue ology the biology of Whoo, okay, there we go. Perfect. Perfect. It is neuroscience. And so when you think about the emergence of science, science is ever in the process of discovery. And so that which we used to think is Whoo, is really energy. So now we know and National Institutes of Health has proven that we have this bio field of energy around us. And so we are energetic beings that are vibrating at a molecular rate of speed that causes mass, right? So we’re just moving at a certain rate of speed that causes mass. So how does spirituality and science come together? Well, we know that every thought that we think and this is back to how powerful we are. We exist in infinite potentiality. This is in the world of the universe, the metaverse quantum physics. When we ascribe a thought to anything, we are now engaged in a wave, because every thought has a wave, every wave has a frequency and vibration, that frequency and vibration lives within a certain capacity. Once I have done that, I have now started my path. That isn’t another path. So if I’m in the frequency of, I’m always going to be sick. I can never understand myself. I can’t get it right. You’re literally creating a frequency match to that grade. Yep. Okay. Now, faith, God source. However, wherever you are in the paradigm of your spiritual aspect of who you are. When we look to something greater outside of ourselves, which is I call it the universal fruit of wisdom, which lies in all of time. So time now we’re really starting to see more and more time as a construct. We literally live in vertical time, not horizontal time. because all times is this time, and if we can move into that still point, which is why do we do this? Because it’s the heart center. We now know that the heart has gray matter. Guess what? The hearts our brain interesting. Yeah. Oh, I

Dr. Mindy
didn’t know what I did. Wow.

Teri Cochrane
Wow. Yeah. So it’s the spirituality. It’s like why namaste back to center, equanimity. Even mind, right. And so when we move from the heart rather than the brain, we’re moving in the right direction. I’m sorry. I didn’t

Dr. Mindy
mean No, no, no, no, no. And I am so much I want to say on that two things. One is when we’re in the head, and let’s just use it on a day to day basis and somebody triggers us. And now we’re, like, spiraling and we’re like, this day is bad, that person’s bad. This is going wrong. In fact, everything else is going wrong with the law. Is there a something we can do to stop ourselves in that moment? So. And what I find helpful is what you just said, which is, remember, do you want to keep that frequency going? Is that what you’re interested in? I’d like that’s how I can talk myself off the ledge is like, do you want to step this to be your reality? Are you ready to change it?

Teri Cochrane
Yes. So great question. And I have a simple solution, which I actually apply to myself quite often. The first thing is, I’m interrupting this broadcast. Okay, we’re going to stop this. So I have is, you know how they in the firemen, they say, Stop, drop and roll, I got a whole Stop, drop and roll for interrupting patterns that we don’t want to continue. So first, I’m interrupting this broadcast, I am stopping it, okay. And then I am dropping it. And so because energy is energy, and it’s not going to be extinguished, so I’ve got to literally move that energy through me. And that dropping could be I’m going to drum I’m gonna yell, but we have to move. You know, I jog every morning, I call that my meditation in action, right? But if we’re, if we are literally in a situation, we’re going to interrupt the broadcast. And even if I’m moving 12 feet, I’ve moved away from the energy I would assist in, and then we’re going to roll, we’re gonna roll into higher frequency thought. And so this is where we have at our ready, we can do many things. Oh, I have a song that I love. That just puts me right back into center, right? Well, I have a scent that when I’ve been in a meditative in the equal mindset equal mindspace. I have picked gardenia, which is the flower of the angels. And I’m like, okay, that’s what I want to remember. Because sent is the is 5000 times more acute than any other of our senses. And so if I know that when I’m in an equal mind, and that beautiful heart center space, and I smell gardenia, when I smell it again, that’s the pattern. That’s the memory. Right? Right. So I’m going to I’m gonna do gardenia, or I’m going to think of something right or read something that’s in your pattern.

Dr. Mindy
It’s like a pattern interrupt.

Teri Cochrane
It absolutely is. It is a pattern interrupt. And over time, we’re going back to center. And so now it’s like, oh, I’m out of my power. Let me get back to like Bozo the Clown. I don’t know if Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
those little punching things. Yeah. It’s like,

Teri Cochrane
Oh, yeah. But you know, those always come back to center. So I’m like, Okay, wait, oh, wait a minute. I’m over here. Rock and roll. Yeah. Oh, let me get back to center. Because in center, I’m in my power and in my power. I have infinite potentiality to do

Dr. Mindy
good things. Right. Oh, my gosh, I love that. Okay, my net. My other question on the original statement was, it’s hard to keep your to always come from the heart. Let’s just Let’s just be real. Like, I really this year, especially. My audience knows this, that I’m a recent empty nester, I’m not in my formal practice anymore. And so I’ve been really working on myself. And one of the things I’ve been working on is keeping an open heart. And I find my heart many times being like, you’re gonna get hurt. What are you doing that person wronged you? Like, I don’t know if that’s hard our head. But what are some strategies? Because I see for humans, if we could all keep our hearts open. We could we could change so much. But we’re not doing that. So give us some tricks on how do we keep the heart open?

Teri Cochrane
Okay, well, first of all, when we’re in that state, we have to be compassionate with ourselves and give us grace and just say, look, okay, it’s all right. This is why we’re in human form, because we’re here in a human massive experiment to grow

Dr. Mindy
spiritually. It is a human experiment.

Teri Cochrane
It is, and so and so then you go back and go, Wow, that’s that seven year old girl that was a trigger. And so I’m going to take that version of myself, and I’m going to hold her and say, It’s okay. And you can have these moments. So sometimes this is the thing we don’t allow ourselves to have the moment so then we suppress it and then we get pulled again. Right? It’s really important in human form, that we have these moments. Yes. And give compassion and I call it laying Grace over it. Right? Because I’m not going to forgive myself because then that means I did something wrong. I’m just gonna lay grace on it. I’m like, or like Grace on that seven year old girl. That was the trigger that said, Oh, honey, it’s okay. Right, and it’s okay. For you to have that moment. Yeah. Now, what I strive to do is when I keep having those moments, what is it that I’m still not willing to look at, which is an aspect of myself that keeps triggering me back to that? Right? I may not be in my heart, but I’m always going to be curious, what aspect of that in my one not willing to look at to not willing to let go? Or is there something that’s still serving me? Is there some aspect of that it’s still serving me. So I still need to capture whatever it is, it’s serving me in that aspect of the that iteration of me that version of me that I can bring with me, and bring it in have that. I love

Dr. Mindy
that. And it’s a practice. I mean, I think everything you’re saying, again, I go back to this healthcare paradigm that really messed us up. Because what it said is you have one problem, one diagnosis, one pill, and we when we come into this kind of art of health, yes, it’s it’s not one problem. One pill died situation. It’s a practice of health. I always say why was health a noun? It should have been a verb

Teri Cochrane
apps. Oh, that’s so well said it should it is it is the practice of the practice. And we’re ever iterative. And so this is another thing I want to leave your audience with is we are dynamic creatures. We’re in constant motion. internally. If we stopped moving, we stopped being. Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Right. And so to think that I can do this, and I’m always going to do this, and it’s always going to work is a false floor. Right? And so to get comfortable with the fact that we will be dynamic, right? And we’re going to be ever curious on where that dynamism is in the moment and not be afraid. Because fear paralyzes truth is what I say. And so I’m not really be in the space of compassionate, curious, not afraid. And fear sometimes is in the moment that can get us out of the way, but not in the drip of fear. Right. Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, it’s always afraid this low level, can’t catch my breath. Right? My shoulders are up here. Oh, my God, I have TMJ, you know, right? Body Talk, right?

Dr. Mindy
I just love this. So I’m gonna have to bring you back or I don’t we gotta meet somehow, like, I think if we lived in the same town, we’d be besties. So I love I love this. So let me let me finish with this question. It’s a question I asked everybody. As we went into 2022, for the reset or podcast, there was a lot of fighting going on in the world, there was a lot of anger that was unresolved. And so I decided dedicate this year to gratitude. So do you have a gratitude practice? If so, what is it? And what are you grateful for in 2022? So we can keep that wave of gratitude going?

Teri Cochrane
Wow. Okay, so what I say in 2220 22 is Do you and 2022. So I love that the thing is, you got to be true to yourself, right? So I am grateful that I strive to be an authenticity with who I am. And all the versions that come with me, you know, those parts that still need some love and healing and those parts that are really badass. And so I am still a collection of all those aspects of myself, and I am now truly owning and bringing with me, all of them. So I’m going to be be you in 2022. And when we’re really authentic, then we can literally move forward with no interruption, because there’s nothing in my field that says I’m not being true to myself.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. You know, on that point, I just want to point out that when you’re in the presence of somebody who’s living authentically, you feel more comfortable. Yes. Like, like, if you want to know who the authentic people are in your life, when you’re with them, you feel comfortable, when people are not being their authentic self. I find energetically I’m like, I don’t know why I’m, I can’t relax right now. Why can I relax? Because there’s

Teri Cochrane
interruption in their field and you’re feeling it, you’re slow, because they’re just being them, whatever that them is. They’re being authentic to self. So there’s nothing that they’re hiding. There’s no secrets, right? There’s no interaction. Yeah. Well, this

Dr. Mindy
was amazing. How do people find you? I? I just love this and we’re gonna have to somehow join forces and meet in person? Absolutely. I have to. I’m a huge fan of books. I mean, as an author, I think you can heal yourself through so much through books. So I’m going to recommend everybody we’ll put links in.

Teri Cochrane
Yeah. Terry cochrane.com. That’s how you find me in our in our clinical work. All our supplements are there the wild aterian diet living as nature intended on Amazon. I also have another organization I’m really proud of. It’s called the global sustainable health institute. I have launched that to teach my Cochrane method. We’re in the beta stages of that. I also do private advising. That’s quantum advice. Seeing it’s by invitation only I work with some really interesting and cool folks in that world on across all disciplines, helping them catalyze their infinite potential by moving those rocks out of their field that keeps them less than fully authentic. So

Dr. Mindy
amazing. Amazing. This was incredible. Terry, I just appreciate you showing up. I’m, I’m so happy that Lauren and Katie brought you to higher dose so so I could experience you and I really hope we connect someday live.

Teri Cochrane
Let’s do it. You got it. Mobile will share some wild game.

Dr. Mindy
That’s right. Oh, I’m all in. I’m all in and maybe some wild organic wine.

Teri Cochrane
Absolutely. Yeah. All right. My great pleasure. Thank

Dr. Mindy
you. Yeah. Have a great one.