Best Ways to Exercise: A Variety Is Key for Health and Well-Being – With Tony Horton

Dr. Mindy
So, let me just start off by thanking you for not only for joining me here, but p90x changed my life. Do you hear people say that all the time?

Tony Horton
You know, oddly enough, yes. I’m still amazed by that. And I was in Seattle at a wedding, my cousin got married and, you know, you’re just walking through, you know, wherever and p90x. You know, I mean, it’s, it’s crazy. And then people want to have I mean, the thing is old, it was 2004 something and it’s still going strong and people are still doing it for the umpteenth time. And, and, you know, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. It’s just common sense exercises and, and a plan. You know, you find your purpose, I’ll hand you the plan, and you can get busy and you’ll you’ll do all right with that program. I mean, I’ve learned a lot since and done some other things since but, but you know, that probably been about eight moves I take out of p90x, but overall, it was all pretty good. Oh, what

Dr. Mindy
are the eight moves? You

Tony Horton
take out? Dive Bomber push ups probably wouldn’t do that one. Yeah, it can be really problematic on people’s shoulders. Not for everybody. Okay. What else? Yeah, a couple of moves in martial arts. A little twisty. Little tough on on the glue on sciatic area? Yeah, for the most part, you know, I mean, if you’re modifying as we asked you to do, and we do that, I mean, there are people that were 120 pounds overweight and, and lost it all doing p90x, just doing their thing their way, you know, sort of in, you know, interpreting it to accommodate their skill level. And over time, you know, I mean, a lot of people became 120 x and one year x, it was different for different folks, you know, some but anybody, anybody who got past the second month started seeing something for sure.

Dr. Mindy
So that’s exactly what I was going to tell you happened to me. And it was like my late 30s. I set out to do it for 90 days. And I literally did it every day for three years. I couldn’t stop. I know, but but I think a lot of us did it that way. Because you built in a recovery day and you built in yoga. Why do you think it was so? Like, why did we all love it so much? I mean, you You are great, obviously. And you are funny. I learned to fall in love with the burpee from you.

Tony Horton
Um, well, I mean, it was a number of things, there was nothing else like it ever. And oddly enough, there is there hasn’t really been anything since because everybody wants to do their thing their way. And having been a jack of all trades and a Master of None, I and knowing that there were a lot of weak areas in my fitness, you know, my martial arts skills were terrible. My cardiovascular strength, endurance wasn’t great. You know what I mean? And those are things that I really worked on, you know, way before p90x, that’s what I gave my clients. So I’m when I, I was trained in Tom Petty, and Billy Idol, and Annie Lennox and Stephen Stills couldn’t help Steven, and Bruce Springsteen and tried, and God bless them. And but, you know, I mean, these are just like, oh, okay, well, I’m pretty good at the weights and the push ups and the pull ups, but I’m not good at these other things, I think it’s important that we incorporate them because that really, you know, there’s, there’s more muscle recruitment, there’s more time under tension. And you’re there, a lot of these things were skill based, right? So it’s not just, you know, these linear movements that you would do over and over again, I’m going to do benchpress I’m going to do push ups I’m going to do, right, which is all part of it. But, you know, I mean, Abra parex was just sort of reinventing core work. And I’ve reinvented it five times since doing it different ways, you know, but and, you know, the sets were beautiful. The cast members were all miked up and funny and, you know, exchanging silliness with me. And then the sets were really beautiful and the graphics and everything else and we we spent a lot of money Beachbody spent a lot of money to make it really stand out. And then of course, I brought my my interesting flair.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. Oh, yeah, I think it was entertainment plus working out perhaps plus the result. I mean, that’s why we kept doing it. We would my kids were little at the time, and we would have my girlfriends would come over and we would just do it in my living room. And then we’d sit and you know, make salad and have lunch afterwards. It was like a thing like p90x in my house in the morning was a thing. And there was definite entertainment value. So super great, super grateful for you and everything you did with that.

Tony Horton
Well, you know, you’re in your lair there and you’re doing your thing. We did something called power 90 Prior to that, which was sort of p90x light, and seemed like the right thing to make at the time. And it didn’t did really well. And it was the reason why we were able to finance p90x, but, you know, p90x didn’t do anything for the first year because everybody was intimidated by it. They would just look at this. You know, they would look at this craziness. You know, there was never a program prior to p90x that had pull ups and at least not through an infomercial, maybe you know, some of like in a book or something or you can go to the library and do something or something you learned it, you know, in your college weightlifting class or, or whatever, or something you learned when you were an athlete growing up Throughout the Junior High School in high school, but this was something that was being delivered on on your TV. And we’re asking you to do all these things and you have to buy the stuff and, and you got to do pull ups and push ups and, and lunges and everything else. And so that, you know, it was an anomaly at that point, for sure. And it kind of still is to some degree and then I’ve reinvented the wheel a little bit since you know, with the p90x two and p90x three and 22 minute hardcore. And now, my little, my little homegrown product, the power four, so

Dr. Mindy
which I want to I want to get into and I love what you’re doing with the new power of four, because you’re really honoring those of us that are aging. So we’ll talk about that in a moment. But in between p90x and power of four, you also went through your own health hurdles. Can you talk a little bit about that? And and why you think that came about and how you got out of it?

Tony Horton
Well, none of it was easy. All of it was unexpected in the in the, in the way out was was a long and winding road. Yeah, sure. You know, I mean, I, I was dealing with some thing, I was going through some contract stuff with Beachbody, and you know, 20 year run, my contract was up, I think it was my third or fourth one of the course of 20 years. And I was kind of shocked and appalled at the offer. I just like, Wow, 20 years of service. You know, I made everybody rich. And and you’re not paying me anymore. Like, you know, I know what Tom Brady did when they did that for the Patriots. He left and won a Super Bowl somewhere else. So that’s how I felt I just felt like wow, this is this is not cool. At the same time, I had some friends that were the Vegas shooting. And that was a horror story. They all came out. Okay. But you know, they’re traumatized for life. I mean, they truly are mean people getting picked off next to them and stuff. And then Tom Petty dies, the next day was a trainer guy trained for 32 years. And then you know, like, Oh, I’m not going to work for Beachbody anymore. In my, in the end, one of my favorite friends and clients has passed away and friends of mine, close friends of mine are dodging bullets. Just Like man oh, man. So you know, I’m sure my cortisol levels went through the roof. My adrenal glands were fried. And I just wasn’t, I wasn’t meditating at the time, I wasn’t using anything to really help mitigate the, the, the angst that I was dealing with. So you know, I’ve just had some friends over for a little party. And I felt this excruciating pain on the right side of my head. And I thought, Oh, my God, this is this is terrible, and then kind of a burning sensation. And then I started you know, I didn’t really notice the, the herpes zoster, which is what it’s called, is basically shingles. And it was in my ear. And if you’re gonna get it, you don’t want it there. Because there’s, you know, all these nerves that affect your sight, and your taste and your smell and your balance. And they all they’re all getting fried. And it was brutal. And within a week, I couldn’t walk. I had Bell’s Palsy. I couldn’t eat, couldn’t drive, couldn’t work out couldn’t do. It couldn’t work for anybody. And it was it went on like that for several months. Justin Bieber is going through it now. I guess. I don’t know how badly but but he was probably, you know, there was a prognosis. He has the bill Bell’s Palsy. Mine was terrible. I mean, my face was completely deformed. And, and, you know, I mean, I just, I couldn’t walk in a straight line, it was really tough. And, you know, trials and tribulations over the course of many months, and after about a year, I was normal ish, at least from the outside looking in, but I was still dealing with balance issues and, and taste and smelling issues and all kinds of other things. And, you know, what happens is with Ramsay hunt syndrome, is that eventually the sores heal, like any kind of any kind of shingles, you can have on your neck or your back, your shoulders, or your torso, or wherever people get that get it. But when it goes away, and other parts of your body, you’re kind of you know, you can deal with life again, I was still because the nerves that it affected inside of my brain, were still not healed. And so I was still having tasting issues. And I mean, I could smell secondhand smoke that didn’t exist. That was weird. And worst of all, was the balance. I mean, and now I had something called bilateral vestibular hypofunction. So it’s like vertigo. Vertigo is kind of like this. We’re hypofunction. It’s, it’s just, it feels like you’ve got Parkinson’s in your brain. And it would come and go, depending on how much sleep or how much hydration or what kind of nutrition or whether I was, you know, taking my, you know, eating, getting rid of certain elements and, you know, getting the inflammation down in my digestive system. And there was just so many, so many King’s horses and so many King’s Men and so many, you know, Otto Rhino, laryngologist Scindia. God, it was just endless. And you know, here it is almost fine. It’ll be five years in October. And I’m kind of normal now. I mean, I still have these little bouts of balance issues. But it’s been a long, long haul, but you know, after the year, I just said like, hey, you know, my balance isn’t great. Some other issues aren’t great, but I have to you know, I have to go back to work. And so you kind of fake it till you make it. Yeah. No, I don’t have to fake it so much.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, you know, that we call that tipping your bucket when all of a sudden there’s so much either emotional or canned. chemical or physical stress, that whatever has been lying underneath there, it just all like the bucket gets tipped over and all the symptoms show up. And all the toxins show up. And now it starts to trigger, you know, genetics that lead to autoimmune conditions. And the hardest part that I’ve seen for people is that there’s no one way out. There’s probably like 1000 things you did in that five years, I would think,

Tony Horton
well, you know, it was you know, going going to an endocrinologist nutritionist and saying, Hey, what’s going on? Oh, I have leaky gut I have leaky brain or what the heck is that? You know what I mean? Who knew that my digestive tract was was leaking poo and in my body and creating all this inflammation everywhere? And so I got that worked out and I you know, for I did all kinds of bloodwork. So there was no sesame seeds, no onions, no white rice, no tomatoes, no, no, no dairy, no corn, no wheat, no soy, you know, I mean, so. I mean, I was eating pretty clean before but it got crazy clean after that. And then very fortunately, I met with these folks who are manufacturing my, my supplement line. This the power for this different mines called Power life. And so just kind of filling in some gaps nutritionally with a product that we created called foundation for this probiotics, prebiotics, tons of magnesium, Sun fiber, two servings of vegetables, just to kind of get my gut working again. And then we had the protein powder, because I you know, I saw emaciated at that point, I lost 20 pounds. So we, you know, we learned about HMB and vitamin d3 and mixing that in with some high quality plant and whey protein. And I was just doing that twice a day. Plus, I was starting to try to work out again. I mean, it’s your balance is off, like running on a treadmill, I had to hold on, which is crazy. You know, you’d get in a bike because I could sit there and hold on running. Look at that drunk guy running through the woods. You know, I mean, I had it, my first gig was in Las Vegas, and I walked into a because it’s such a visual thing. This is this is bilateral stuff, you walk into Vegas, and it’s just lights and people and ding dong. And I’m using my my carry on rollway as a sort of, oh, gosh, as a walker to get through the get through the casino. And you had to do what you had to do to sort of survive, you know. But you know, little by little, you know, I adapted I mean, I had I had a great history with exercise and diet and I really clean up the dive and vegan for urine urine for almost a year and a half now. And that’s done wonders for me all my blood work is great. My cholesterol down my cholesterol never been lower. And my my aches and pains are gone. I don’t have shoulder issues anymore. And back I have little sciatica that I’m getting over with it. That’s you know, your basic rehab there. But knees, I don’t need PRP and Synvisc and my knees anymore. It’s it’s crazy. Like, oh, wow, because I’m eating tomatoes. I mean, I don’t know. You know, I just I’ll try anything once. And if it works, I’ll keep doing it. And so far, so good. So, I mean, I know I’m not what I say I’m my strongest, but I’m I’m pretty dang strong. It’s fun, and I just turned 64. So Wow. Yeah, I feel I feel good.

Dr. Mindy
You look great for 64 That that’s impressive. What, you know, there’s a lot of people listening. That are, you know, overachiever, worker outers, and when you hit that place where your body can’t do what it used to be able to do that messes with your mind. Did you have any like mental strategies? You talked about meditation, but as your health was coming back, I mean, this is the core of who you are? Is your your though. You’re the p90x guy. What How did you mentally work with getting you’re not being able to perform in your workouts at the level that you used to be able to perform it?

Tony Horton
Well, a lot of it had to do with the people that I was surrounding myself with, I mean, you know, there was a long period there where, you know, I wasn’t having people over, I couldn’t even you know, I couldn’t even get down the stairs there for a couple of months. And then finally, you know, when I was beginning to recover, I said, hey, everybody start coming back, because I work out. I mean, tonight, there’ll be about five or six people here tonight doing plyometrics. And then tomorrow morning will be about three or four and then Friday, I got a couple of friends and then Saturday I go to a class, I do yoga, and then Sunday, I got as many as 12 here. So it really is my tribe, as we say and, and it was those friends and my family and my sister, who I love and adore, who’s a fitness freak like me just kind of checking in with each other and working out with each other and keeping our expectations down. And just being in the moment and doing our best and forgetting the rest. You know what I mean? And then you know, it’s just being repetitive. It was a combination of being repetitive over the course of time coming out of that thing. Like just tracking my progress look much like I did with p90x Like how many reps there and how much range of motion here and how much weight and you know and always checking in on my on my flexibility and range of motion stuff because you know, I mean, because I’m getting older I don’t want to start you know if I feel good I don’t wanna get hurt. Right? So that was part of it and then and then always adding in new things. You know, I was like I love being horrible at new stuff because I know that there’s going to be tremendous gains through that process. So So I had some ninja stuff. I had a ninja course put In the backyard, which I was terrible at, and of course, I have a 20 foot rope and a 17 foot rope. And I have two different peg boards and always challenging myself to do stuff. And then you know, I mean, when I was younger, and I couldn’t do something, I pretty much quit right away. And a few things I was okay at, I would stick with, like, with skiing, I loved it so much, and I wasn’t very good, but I can at least get down the hill, I started, you know, taking instruction and learning how to be a better skier and how to where my head should be in my hands should be in my, you know, and how to how to manipulate the snow, so I could enjoy it more. But, you know, other things were, I’m terrible at this, I quit, you know, and that just went away, as I, you know, became a more sophisticated adult. And I was reading a lot of personal development, a lot of books, but you know, I mean, just keep show, I mean, I’m reading obstacles the way by Ryan Holiday right now, which is just another reminder, there’s a lot of things in there, I already know. But it’s just another nice reminder, I’m reading Steve Martin’s book to born standing up just you know, it’s a, it’s an auto biographical history of where he was and how he was in his upbringing with his parents, and then you all just, you know, 10 years struggle of trying to become a stand up and how miserable it was, but he just did it anyway, because he loved it. And that’s what it was, what my recovery was, like, was like starting all over again. And I Okay, I mean, this might take three months, or four months or a year. But, you know, I mean, if I can do an extra pull up on this day, or a couple extra push ups, or I can get around that, that pegboard, where I couldn’t do it two weeks ago, that’s that’s gold, you know, in keeping my expectations down and being in the moment and hanging out with cool folks who want to keep fighting the good fight. That’s, that’s where I was. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
I actually think that idea right there. And I want to chat about the power of four, because I feel like as we age, that’s the mentality of fitness that we need to have. And in our younger years, we tend to just push on through push on through and there is that like, when the pain shows up in a workout, those of us that have worked out a lot just know how to turn off the pain signals and the inner critic that’s telling you to stop. But as you get older, I don’t and when you’re in a situation like that, learning to pause and not pushed through it, I think is important for overall fitness. Do you feel like that’s the new strategy you have with the power of four and what you’re seeing just with those of us who followed you early on in the years, and now we’re all modifying our workouts, that part of the the new plan?

Tony Horton
I mean, it should be I think, you know, I mean, that’s what do your best and forget the rest is about I mean doing your best. That means you gotta be checking in throughout the course of the of the workout, you know, how are you feeling right now on a scale of one to 10? Are you at 10 and dying and you feel like you’re about to, you know, a tendon or a ligament or something’s gonna, gonna go, you know, I mean, and so, so that’s just always kind of checking in, you know, setting some, you know, setting some goals, and if you don’t achieve them, don’t beat yourself up. I mean, I think too many people are judging the process. And I think if you just, if you’re more in the moment, if you’re more present, and you have, you know, you have your basic agenda, whatever that workout is, whether it’s a cardio workout, or reply, or martial arts, or, or body weight, or weight training, or hit training, or, you know, main or even your even, even meditation line, and people get so up into their head with meditation. And I’d say, Yeah, you’re supposed to, that’s, you know, I mean, it’s not like, it’s like, Oh, I’m gonna meditate right now, it’s just gonna be, you’re gonna be a blank slate for the next 45 minutes, your head is going to bounce around, you’re going to be thinking thoughts, and you just take a breath, and you let it go, and they’re going to come back in, and that’s all going to be okay. You know, if you if you understand that, regardless of what you’re doing, and you’re not overdoing it, and a lot of people you know, that’s the big thing. Like, you know, that’s why trainers is so valuable. Having somebody in the room who is certified knows what they’re doing. They’re checking your form, they’re checking your breathing, they’re seeing whether you’re, you know, your face is gonna turn purple, you know, I mean, sometimes you’re not paying close enough attention. And you think, you know, you’re supposed to be working this hard. And you don’t realize, Oh, I’m 45 5060 years old, and this is how I ended up getting hurt. And you can then give them you know, and then you do the old I told you so. And then it wasn’t really you know, it was just it was because you weren’t paying close enough attention. You were just, and a lot of people don’t have enough history with it. Like, you know, you having done p90x For three years in a row. You’re very intuitive. Now you have you have great instincts as to, you know, on this age, I maybe didn’t sleep well. Last night, I maybe had a couple of cocktails, you could put all the pieces together to go Yeah, I’m going to be a 75 percenter today, I don’t need to go under percent, you know, and when I on my Sundays, you know, I’ve got a group here and we’re climbing ropes and we’re going around peg boards, and it’s very, very competitive. And so you know, the night before I’m, you know, I’m going to bed at 10 o’clock, and I’m drinking tons of water and um, you know, I don’t drink alcohol anymore anyway, but I preparing myself for the competition on Sunday. But then Monday is a cardio day, put the heart monitor on going through the motions. And if I have the energy I’ll I’ll go and get after. And if you don’t have the energy, perfect, you know, I mean, I’m not going to try to push push myself. Most people just don’t know that. And so they have to kind of figure it out for themselves. And that’s why we have with a power of four we have powering down and powering up. So when you’re looking at the screen, just like with p90x we had modifiers right. So powering down means that there’s somebody over here on the left, and they’re not jumping as high, they’re not going as deep. You know, if this is be smart here, this is not where you might want to be the first three, four or five weeks. And then later on, you can kind of glance over at the person who’s jumping through the roof, or doing bunches of push ups and lifting heavy weights. You know, I mean, it’s just sort of understanding that it’s a process and it takes time, you know what I mean? And you Rome wasn’t built in a day, and you got to stop judging it and you do your best and forget the rest and your best changes from day to day.

Dr. Mindy
I love that. I love that. You I don’t know if you know, we’re, I know, we’re, I’m coming to talk hormones with your grip. I think tomorrow. But one, one of the things that happens with women over 40 specifically women, is as estrogen goes down, the collagen production goes down. So as a 52 year old woman, I’ve had to really change and vary my workouts on a weekly basis. Otherwise, if I do the same thing over and over again, I’m more prone to injury. Are you seeing that with women as well as they age that they’re just if we’re not varying it, and you’re the king of variation? That’s really one of the things that p90x I think brought to us was that it was so different. And every day you were doing something different, but for the woman over 40, that’s a real gift. So do you feel like you’re seeing women in their 50s and 60s getting in better shape with less and more variation?

Tony Horton
Oh, absolutely. You know, I think the reason why most people struggle, or they can’t stick with anything long term, even if there is a bunch of variety in you know, in the mix, is they end up getting bored, they end up plateauing or they get hurt, you know what I mean? It’s you’re trying to avoid those three things at all costs. And if you can do that, then you know, you’re moving in the right track. The other thing is consistency and intensity. You know, I mean, consistency is everything. It’s not like we show up to work three times a week, and hope we’re gonna get paid, you know, I mean, like, Oh, I’m gonna skip sleep tonight. No, you know, you know, I’m gonna go on a four day fast and just not do anything. You know, I mean, it really depends on the individual to of course, but you know, the, whether you’re male or female, some basic rules apply. Hydration is obviously very important. Getting decent sleep is very important. Metta meditation, you know, on a semi regular basis is super important, you know, nutritious, non inflammatory foods is really important. And it’s, it’s, you know, it’s less intensity is important, you want to be able to track to see if you’re getting better, but only in tiny little increments, you know what I mean? It’s not like you’re gonna, for the first couple of weeks, you’re gonna do x, and then like, on day, 30, you’re just gonna start lifting, lifting the roof or jumping higher, it’s just has to be a tiny little increments over over time. That’s really important as well. And I think if you stick to the variety, and your sleep is great, your hydration is great. And you’re staying off the alcohol and your non inflammatory foods, whether it’s pescatarian of veganism, or vegetarianism, or keto, or whatever your thing is. And then you said something, you know, which is spot on with when it comes to exercise, like doing the same things over and over again, expecting you’re gonna turn out fine without injury, which is that’s rare. It’s not gonna happen. The same thing with food, you know, I mean, you gotta be really consistent with your food. And it’s so funny, like, people say, I’m doing everything, right, I’m doing everything that you’re saying. And I’ll go hang out with him a couple of days. And I watch the workouts and I see what they’re eating. And I’m thinking, like, a lot of people just, they don’t live in the real world, they live in a kind of a fantasy version of the world, because they understand that regular exercise and super healthy eating, and, and good sleep and all these things. It’s, it’s very rare that that very rare to do it. All right now for me, you know, it’s taken decades for me to get there. It took me decades to become a vegan. I mean, I always thought it was kind of not enough calories for me or not enough protein or whatever. And, you know, so I had all these disbeliefs that I hung on to that were slowing me down preventing me from getting as fit and as strong as I can. And who would think that just plants were going to do the job, but it works for me, you know what I mean? And so you have to kind of you can’t be too pious about it. You can’t be too myopic about whatever you’re doing, you got to be open to change and open to new information and open a new new exercise strategies and things so like right now I’m taking these gymnastics classes. Mm hmm horrible worse like a human to buy form like a two by four meet some rebar surrounded with cement you don’t I mean, like the exercises are virtually impossible for me. And we’re not doing we’re not doing we’re not tumbling? You know, we’re out with a goal here is to kind of work on on headstands and handstands and things like that. And really, it’s all every every exercise is core work. You know, I mean, it’s not just crunches, it’s It’s everything you can imagine. And it’s really and that’s the other thing too. I mean, anybody who’s willing to constantly reinvent the wheel and try new things and, and be okay with being terrible at some stuff for a while. That’s where the real change comes from. And you know, I mean, and yoga and meditation and stretching are, are everything. You can’t, you can’t if you really want to push pretty hard and challenge your body. and try new things. A stiff bodies just not gonna, a tight stiff body, a lot of people are under the impression that they’re just, I’m just tight. Well, you’re tight because you never ever, ever work on it. You skip the p90x yoga every single time. Instead,

Dr. Mindy
yawn, stretch video, that like,

Tony Horton
it’s okay to be, it’s okay to be physically weak, and it’s okay and work really hard on it. It’s okay to be cardiovascular, you cardiovascularly on a condition and keep working on it. But if you’re tight that that said I’m tight, I’m not going to work out it doesn’t make any sense to me. When I went to yoga, if there was time down dog was like, climbing Everest, you know, me is like looking around the room and they all look so comfortable. You know, I mean, and I just, I look more like a human rectangle than down duck. And I just I, me personally later in life, I just love being bad at things because I know there’s there’s going to be a fun little journey here as I get better. And that has to be the case, you just have to be okay with being you know, not good at certain things. And you just keep coming. I mean, it’s an exercise, it’s got to be a five to six days a week, is it three days a week, you might as well throw yourself down a set of stairs, it’s the same general result because the four days off, we’re going to dominate the three days on

Dr. Mindy
interesting. Oh, talk. Talk about that for a second. Because again, what p90x did and perhaps power of four does the same thing is you had us doing different things every day. So and it was every day. So is that give us like a week layout? What would you say? One day, two days of cardio one day a yoga, some strength training? And let’s talk about it in context of somebody who’s like 50 and older and

Tony Horton
up? Well, you know, I mean, p90x was very, very popular, but not that not that many people finished it. You know what I mean? They get all them through the guy Oh, chest and back. That was a nightmare. Okay, play with the next day, box on shelf and closet. And then like a year later, they go, dang it, I gotta get that thing off. And then they will try it again. They get the day 30 And they would quit. So there’s very few people who just bought it the next next day and got busy did 90 days. Because, you know, we’re asking a lot of folks, you know, a lot of folks aren’t used to working out six days a week, which is exactly what the power four was. But the concept of it the philosophy of six days a week, and the modifications. I mean, my friend Jeremy Yost 380 pounds fuse, right ankle, been overweight forever, you know, couldn’t see his feet, his belly was so big, he marched in place, march to place Kathy McDonald 125 pounds down a 40 year old mother of three kids, you know, with Ms. You know, still to this day, and that this is back in like, oh six, still healthy, still fit still going strong, just following those same same concepts. So the idea here is like for example, p90x had 12 workouts, which nobody else had 12 workouts at the time, power four has 27 one. Yeah. And then there were 47. Over the course of the pandemic, when we had kept on having beta groups, we’ve kept on throwing in new teams. And every month you got a different routine every month, you got a different calendar. And so for the last three years, if you’re doing the power of four, there’s a new calendar, every month, there’s a burn calendar, there’s a build calendar, and there’s other ones that are just all over the place. Because you know, variety, a variety of writing, mix it up, change it up, you know, give you those kinds of always, you know, p90x we call it muscle confusion, which was basically a made up turn, Jack Lane had this thing called periodization training, which is kind of like that. But yeah, and that’s, that’s what it really has to be that way. Now what we did differently with the power of four because we understand as popular as p90x was a lot of people didn’t do it all the way through or whatever, they gave it to them

Dr. Mindy
to come to my house, I was doing it ever.

Tony Horton
Yeah, because you know, it makes sense to you. So there’s all these extra routines with the power of four plus we have powering down and we have powering up. So it’s this you know, it’s another terminology for for modification. But you can see two different very distinct ways of doing a certain thing. And then we have something that we put in all the almost all the workouts called Stop options. So some of the workouts are shorter. So we just you know, like the the morning yoga routine is 20 minutes. But then there’s two other routines one’s called a power and strength. The other one’s called Don’t skip yoga. Because we had, you know, fell name. Yeah, right. So we gave him three different yoga routines. And so with a shorter one, you just try to hopefully get through 20 minutes of it, right because it’s a great way to excuse me start the day with instead of maybe drinking a bucket of coffee or something I just I’d rather use the human body gravity and oxygen getting into my blood first thing in the morning. It’s just I just feel more vibrant, more alive, more awake, without having to use a source outside of myself. And you know, I’ll have a have an expresso once in a while when I’m in Seattle, because you have to it’s a it’s a worse Yeah. But and so we have the power down part of the stock options are like let’s say what our routine is 15 minutes long. You can stop at the 20 minute mark in the 40 minute mark. I’ll even even not big red letters Stop option two, if you want, I’ll say, all right, maybe you feel like you got things to do and places to go and you’re brand new, and you’re kind of pretty pooped out already, by by Fast forward to the end to do the cooldown. So we try to come up with as many excuse killers as possible. And, and, you know, there are people who’ve been doing now doing the power for close to three years, you know, our preferred to our beta folks, mid beta one, beta two and beta three. And then we had like beta, they all had three months. And then we had a fourth month and a fifth month. I mean, you know, this pandemic just keeps going. So we’re gonna just keep giving you a more months. And that’s the whole idea. You know, I mean, you can lead a horse to water, I can give you as much information as I have. But oddly enough, the vast majority of the power of for aficionados or customers were women, and they, you know, they kind of felt like, Oh, you’re speaking to me? Are you showing me all I can stop here? Oh, I, you know, I’ve wanted to stop in the past, but there was no stop options. And I always felt guilty when I did. And I thought, I’m not gonna get rid of results now. And then like, you’re telling me, it’s okay to do that. Yeah. Because 20 minutes is a hell of a lot better than zero minutes. You know what I mean? And the next time you go, you know, I’m gonna push past the 20 minute mark, and maybe I’ll go to the 40 minute mark next time, you know, and so, oh, yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah. So do you still believe the other thing I think p90x did is that you didn’t, you didn’t really need weights, like a lot of it was resistance training. I mean, we had the, we had the bar that came with it to do a pull up, I remember, like being able to do a pull up for the first time. So do you still feel like you can get a lot done with resistance training that you don’t need that extra added weight? To?

Tony Horton
Well, it depends on the individual. I mean, some people just love, they’ve had weights, they love it, you know, I mean, dumbbells and bands, really, I mean, I have a lot of friends that are traveling right now. And I’ve just, you know, I have, I have my own line of bands. So I just say, Here you go, take the 1020 and 30 pound bands, stick them in the bottom of your suitcase and go to town. And you know, go outside and hang out in the sun and do the shoulder flies and the bicep curls and the presses and whatever it takes. But still, you know, I mean, summertime, you know, working out indoors is good if that’s your thing. But if you can get outside and ride a bike or go for a run or go for a hike, and then take the bands with you, then that’s all you really need. But p90x It had a pull up bar and had it was it had I even had an assist band that you could buy, if you couldn’t do them, hopefully, whatever your rig was that you weren’t going to come down crashing onto the floor. And but a lot of dudes, you know, they want to lift the weights a lot, a lot of gals were really, you know, thrilled to have the bands and got tremendous results with the bands. And so did a lot of like the CEO of Beachbody did a whole round of p90x bands only and he was shredded. He lost some weight, he looked lean, he was looked amazing as a result. So you know, resistance is resistance and that burn is real. And you know, if it’s if it’s eight reps or 10 reps or 15 or 20 reps, you know, it really depends on your, on your on what your goals are. Yeah, I mean, I mix bodyweight my total dumbbells and bands in the course of one workout because I have them all. And so I don’t like I don’t do just bands. I don’t do just weights anymore. I like I like mixing it all up. I mean, you know, every workout I do is different, like people, my buddies will walk in and go. Alright, man, I’ve no idea what you’re doing. But I’ll just follow you, man.

Dr. Mindy
And you know, you’re a good friend to have to show up at Tony. They didn’t

Tony Horton
show up. If they don’t show up. I’m sleeping. You know, I mean, like, Oh, it’s a sign. It’s a sign from God that if the three of them don’t come, they will cancel for different reasons. I’m supposed to sleep an extra hour and a half.

Dr. Mindy
I’m thinking that never happens. I’m thinking it does.

Tony Horton
Oh, oh, yeah, I’m the I’m not self motivated. But I’m a good strategist. I know how to get people to show up here. You know,

Dr. Mindy
amazing. So they show up so that you work out, they show up

Tony Horton
they show up so that I will get out of bed and workout with them. And I don’t train them they all know I mean, there’s a rookie here and there. I’ll make sure I spent some time with them. Make sure they don’t you know they do everything. right way but I mean tonight there’s going to be there’s already 3002 guys come in from the plyo invite like 30 people it’s my invite eight, eight might cancel and that means there’s no Playa for me.

Dr. Mindy
Amazing. Well, next time I’m in LA I’m going to ping you and say

Tony Horton
You are welcome. You are welcome to be here anytime. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
Do you? Do you feel like you have to fight for muscle more now that as you age?

Tony Horton
Yeah. Yeah. But but my nutrition the supplement that I made the I mean, I’m a vegan right so I have the plant based. It’s called high impact protein. I do two bagels scoops a day, you know one one after a workout sometimes before depending on how much time I have between getting up and working out. And then at night, not not right at bed but but you know, somewhere before or after dinner typically after dinner. And that seems to help man it’s the HMB in the vitamin d3. I mean if you as a doc do that, look, look at the research that it’s crazy because when Most people have post surgery or getting jello and a ham sandwich. You know, I mean, this is this is some, you know, I mean, pretty good, right? Or you look great. Right? So and I’m strong, I mean, like, I can still knock out 30 Pull Ups, I can still do you know, 50 pull ups in pretty quick period of time, I can climb a rope without my feet. That’s my measurement. So I can go around and pegboard like I’m on the moon still, you know, and that’s my way. And my weight is I’m lighter than I was during p90x That’s about a buck 80, then I’m about 172. Now give or take a pound on Russia. And that helps a little bit. And the flexibility I work on flexibility. And my sleep, I sleep longer than I used to. And I don’t drink alcohol at all. I mean, there’s all these different kinds of rules, and being plant based. Let’s implement inflammation there as well. So if I don’t have the aches and pains, I have shorter recovery time, I have quality of recovery time. And I mean, am I gonna be like this? 75 Wow, no,

Dr. Mindy
I hope so. You deserve to be like this. It’s yeah,

Tony Horton
I agree. Because I’m gonna retire and I want to go skiing, you know, 80 days a year. So I want to be able to charge down that mountain.

Dr. Mindy
Do you have a recovery drink? And p90x? Is there a new version of a recovery drink in the power of four?

Tony Horton
Well, um, the power four is the workout but power life is this are the supplements and power life, we have, you know, we have a vanilla and chocolate plant based and whey based protein. And we had the foundation for which is really about digestion, we have a pre workout formula called performance, which is pretty yummy. And then we have a phytonutrient product, which is like a free version of foundation four, which is really kind of vegetable based, we are experimenting with that, because flavor is kind of important, but we want to keep the quality of the of the ingredients in there. We don’t want you know, everybody’s so taste sensitive that because they, you know, whatever, you can use monk fruit as opposed to cane sugar, and, you know, some are more expensive. And now with with, with, with the cost of everything these days and, and supply chain issues, you know, I mean, it’s like, oh, wow, you know, may assist 1000 steps to get there. But we hope to have something by by early winter, you know,

Dr. Mindy
I can’t wait to see. Yeah, have you heard of the the amino acid sensor that gets registered in muscles when you get to 30 grams of protein. So there’s a lot of belief that each time you go to eat protein, you want to at least get 30 grams because it triggers mTOR. I don’t know if you know what mTOR is, is a pathway that builds muscle stronger. And so if you come in under 30 grams, you’re not you’re not hitting that trigger. And so therefore you’re not building muscle using the protein that you’re that you’re actually ingesting. Have you heard that before?

Tony Horton
I have not. I do know that when it comes to the the HNB by vitamin d3 that we put in our protein. Initially, we had 1500 milligrams of HMB in it, the studies were all 3000 Right? And so you know, I said, Hey, look, I don’t know why the studies say x. And we talked about the studies, you know, in our all our sales material, and then we’re giving them half so are you asking people to do two scoops. So if they’re doing two scoops are not getting as many servings per container as possible. So I kind of put my foot down and and I noticed personally like moves me because I got it for free. i One scoop two scoops, you know, and then now I can just do one scoop and get the same results. It sounds similar, but I don’t know might not be the same.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, there’s there’s some interesting research on protein for muscle growth, even without exercise. And I’m definitely not advocating for no exercise. But the two principles that are really interesting is this 30 grams, they suppose once you get over 90, that actually now turns to glucose, and it’s going to start to spike insulin. So it’s not as advantageous to like eat a huge steak. If you eat steak or get too much protein, you want it to be somewhere between 30 and 90. Then the the other principle is every two to three hours. If you are getting 30 grams of protein divvied up over the day, they say go up to your body weight, that’s the best way to get nutrition, the protein of nutrition to really work for muscle growth.

Tony Horton
I’ve heard that grams per body weight thing from way back in the old bodybuilding days. I don’t know if that’s necessarily true or not. And yeah, I mean, I don’t really track it like that. And a lot of it has to do with you know, are you a 25 year old? Collegiate linebacker, right? Or are you are you 118 pound, you know, mother of three who runs, you know, five K’s and 10 K’s? I think that the amount of protein has got to be a little bit different for each each individual. You know? Yeah, that’s a good question. And I honestly don’t know. I don’t know. I mean, I yeah, I do know that that without without added protein through my powder, it’s just I’m always playing catch up. Because as a vegan, you know, I mean how many sunflower seeds and and lagoons and and nuts am I going to eat to try to you know, and I’m also dealing with all the excess yep you know saturated fats that comes with too much peanut butter and whatnot so, so yeah, this is uh, this is kind of working for me so far. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
And you talked a little bit about a pre meal, or appreciate you had what are your thoughts on? You know, fasting we teach fasting across my platforms a lot. And do you remember what was the guy’s name that did that he gave the million dollars away to whoever gotten the best shape. This is back in like the 90s and Body for Life. I think it was called body for Body for Life. Sure. And his whole thing was workout fasted because you would go after stored sugar, you would burn fat more. And so everybody did it that way lost a bunch of weight. Now we’re really looking at what do we need to do to build muscle? Do you feel like you need to eat and specifically protein before you work out? Or do you feel like we can still work out in a fasted state and just recover with a good old protein shake?

Tony Horton
Well, intermittent intermittent fasting has become kind of popular, I do a version of that a little bit myself. It’s not, it’s not well thought out, I just I just like, for example, a lot of times I wake up in the morning, if I’m not hungry, I don’t eat, you know, my first meal today is at three o’clock, I will do a little pre workout thing where I’ll put my foundation for the performance. You know, I mean, and it’s just maybe under 100 100 calories, just to kind of give me some energy and getting through the workout. And then typically after workout, if it’s a hard workout, I’m not hungry, and I don’t eat just because I’m supposed to. And I mean, you know according to art, the you know that this guy will Villa who’s our who’s our, our nutrition scientist over there at the company that makes my stuff because it really depends on the individual. I mean, some people need that big old thing of protein, they gotta wait a half an hour to 45 minutes. And then they can do the workout. Other people just don’t want anything in their stomach except for like what I’m doing, you know, just a little, you know, a little eight ounce classes as some nutrition. And then then they can get through the workout. And then you know, my buddy Brian, who’s just, I mean, he was a regular guy, he was not overweight, but he wasn’t fed, he really couldn’t do anything. And his his his plan has been kind of spectacular. He’s plant based, but he’ll have statements around chicken and fish once in a while. He’s not really pious or myopic about it either about that. And but he’ll he’ll show up. You know, do a little something like a half a peanut butter sandwich on toast. Like this, put it put one slice in and toast your foot in half, eat it, do the workout and maybe do the workout pre workout formula as well. And he’ll eat it three o’clock, you know, I mean, something really light then we’ll have dinner the the main meal that he has is dinner. So he’s like, all night long and for the most of the days taking a very few calories.

Dr. Mindy
And he’s as you ripped. Yeah,

Tony Horton
absolutely. I mean, a 29 inch waist. strong as an ox. I mean, he’s just he looks incredible. It looks like you know, fitness model and he just his wife. Every time he comes home from workout his wife goes, Okay, that’s enough. That’s enough for me like a normal looking dude, a guy with a dad a dad bod. And now he’s he’s absolutely addicted to it. And anybody who comes here, both male or female, who shows up here all the time, who eats pretty clean, who get some deals with their stress and get some sleep, and a decent amount of hydration. Those are the ones that I noticed change over time. People who are sporadic about all of it, just you know, they’ll never get there. They just have never been able to get there.

Dr. Mindy
Do you think do you think there’s a You said earlier that there’s you like to work out in the morning?

Tony Horton
I’ve got at night I work out at night too. I work out based on everybody else’s schedule. Okay, yesterday was in the morning because people had to want to be here early and go off to work. And then you know, tonight is a 5:30pm workout because everybody’s coming in after after work. So I’m yeah,

Dr. Mindy
there’s an advantage to working out morning over evening, or

Tony Horton
I think so. It’s just a big old great way to wake up. Yeah, great way to start your day. I mean, you’re just got all that, you know, that feel good vibes going on first thing in the morning, right? And you know that the norepinephrine, the dopamine, the serotonin, the brain derived neurotrophic factor, all that really great stuff, all that oxygenated blood like coursing through your body coursing through your brain. You just have a you know, it’s like miracle growth for your for your head. You know, I mean, I mean, I exercise as much and more just from my headspace and I do everything else I do. I like looking strong. I mean, it’s good for my skin, it’s good for everything. And so at the end of the day, you know, you’ve had a really rough long day and it’s filled with stress and work and traffic and, and then you come home and your kids are freaking out or whatever, you got to help them with homework. It’s like oh, yeah, let me go into the gym at eight o’clock at night. Do Ab Ripper X or no, you know, I mean, get up a little early, go to bed a little bit earlier and then get up a little bit earlier and get it over with that’s if you You can do that now with me. I mean, I train people all day long for 15 years. My first client was it was at five o’clock in the morning in the dark, and I left her place. It was still dark. You know, I mean, and I was all and I’m living on power bars in the car all day long, and I would get a workout and I go to the gym, because it was a very social thing I’d go to the gym was a 24 hour gym. I go to the gym at nine or 10 o’clock at night. And then I repeated that for three years. That was just it. But getting I never had the luxury of doing it the morning. So now that I don’t have to get up, you know, my workouts are at 8am. This morning. Yeah, baby. So yeah,

Dr. Mindy
you have three hormones and or two neurotransmitters and a hormone that works really well for you. You get dopamine in the morning, you get cortisol spikes, two hours after you get up and then testosterone is the highest, especially for men in the morning. Those are some motivating neuro chemicals that will pull you out of bed and get you into the gym. So I can see for me, I mean, as the day goes on, forget it. I can’t. I can’t work out. Yeah, morning is my time. So that makes that makes perfect sense.

Tony Horton
Well, you know, it’s funny because the the later in the day workouts are, there’s less muscle recruitment, more cardiovascular plyometric, that kind of a thing, where I feel less vulnerable to injury, because I’m a little I’ve had the whole day to kind of, you know, get my body wake up, wake my body up, and I’ll do I still do a warm up and stretch before I do those routines. But for me in the morning, I don’t know, I don’t know what sleep is supposed to provide for me. I mean, last night was a spectacular night of sleep. I just you know, those nights, we your head hits the pillow, you have no memory of it, the alarm goes off. And you think, Wow, that was amazing. I think because my head is kind of spinning all the time. But the meditation has helped me tremendously with that. And that I mean, whether it’s four by four breathing or the, you know, Jon Kabat Zinn’s book full catastrophic living, pulled me out of my Ramsey 100 days, it’s just a lifesaver. And then James nesters book breath has been another brilliant book, too. This really helped me be more consistent. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy
That’s amazing. talk also about recovery days, because you did this. You did this. And it sounds like you’re doing it with power of four. Now, how do we know how much recovery time? And what’s the difference between I’m gonna sit on my couch and recover? Or I should probably stretch or go for a walk for recovery? What

Tony Horton
well, we know about that? Well, there’s all kinds of ways to recover, you know, I mean, like, you can roll around the foam roller that’s, that’s, you know, that’s active recovery. You can go for a walk, that’s active recovery, you can go for a nice mellow bike ride. That’s recovery. You know, man, you can get an infrared sauna that’s recovery, you can take a nap. Nothing wrong with that, man. That’s another way to recover. And in the best one of all is, is sleep. I talked about it in my book, The Big Picture, like what is your what is that room that you’re in? Like, my wife and I we don’t have any devices in that room. You know, I mean, my wife will try to sneak the phone in once in a while. But there’s no TV in our room. It’s all it’s pitch black in there. You know, she likes the fan going for that ambient noise and stuff. We have we have you know, we’re on are married to The Princess and the Pea. We’re on our fourth mattress since we’ve been married. You know, I mean, now we have asleep number one. So it’s just like murder murder. Haha. You know, art is a rock soft is a cloud getting I mean, it’s like, yeah, that’s important. And a lot of people still have the same pillow they had since high school as this blows my mind. They get so attached to their pillow when it’s who should get rid of that every couple of years. And you know, I mean, it’s pretty nasty. And then the sheets are important and all those types of things. You know, and I keep a glass of water next to me. I’ve been wearing a breathe, right and ever since January. James nessarose book I’ve been mouth taping, which is I don’t know if you’re familiar with that or not, you know, I mean, like I had a buddy over the other day and I you know, he knocks at my door when my wife is already up and about and, and I you know, I come in with a breather, right and the thing I got to take some time to take it off. But I tell you, I mean I had I had mild sleep apnea mild, which my wife did not enjoy it all it was was my gurgling but the taping is not gonna say it’s cured it but it is certainly mitigated it to some degree and I just sleep better because I’m you know, breathing through your nose is ideal. That filtration system that’s been custom designed for us works really well. But that ain’t a good thing. Yeah, you wake up with a Mojave Desert and a couple of dead spiders in your mouth. It’s just really

Dr. Mindy
gross. Yeah. No deep sleep. You get no deep sleep. No,

Tony Horton
no, no, no. So you know that’s, that’s really critical. Your your recovery time is everything and taking a full day off. I mean, sometimes I’ll be like, I’m kind of beat up. I’m gonna take another day off. And let’s, let’s say it’s a, it’s plyo I’ll just email and wait and go. I’m kind of wasted. And I’m gonna take it off. It just says listening. I mean, if your shoulders hurt your back hurts your hips hurt your legs or your hamstrings are tight and you’re not supposed to work out today. You just you know, I mean, you haven’t recovered completely. Or maybe you train too hard because you felt really good. You drank too much pre workout formula. I mean, like there’s only or maybe the biorhythms are off or the barometric pressure is crazier, or the humidity or you’re living in London right now it’s 104 degrees. You probably shouldn’t work out. Good. I mean, it’s just sort of some people become very, you know, very robotic about it, like, I can’t miss a day I got to do it. And you’re and that’s when you that’s when you get hurt. That’s when you get, you know, you you, you end up taking more than one day off, you have to take off

Dr. Mindy
several weeks because you’re forced to take time off. Yeah. And that really p90x really changed that for me. Because the variation I never, I never stuck with one exercise again after that. So talk a little bit about how we get the power of four. You’ve got me intrigued now I’m going to start doing the power of four and then three years later, I’ll come back and tell you I did it every

Tony Horton
day for three years. You go to my you go to my

Dr. Mindy
SUV doesn’t come in a big seat box of CDs anymore. Oh, oh,

Tony Horton
no, that’s the old days, you just stream it, you just you go to Power nation. fitness.org power nation fitness.org. And, and that’s how you get there, you’ll see a beautiful picture of me. And more, you’re too in front of my pool, with hair down here, because it was the pandemic. Now I just like my freak flag, fly. My wife hated it. As soon as I got into ponytail, she was like cut that off. But I don’t know, I you know, if I’m in my 60s, I probably shouldn’t do this. I’m not an X rocker. So I should probably not do that. But yeah, and then you’ll you get a whole week there, you can look around and you can play for free and then sign up if you want. Right now we have a 30 day challenge. And you can sign up for that, too, that is free, all 30 days. And so there’s some beta workouts in there. And then to have the actual workouts that you will get in the power of four. So you get to see the quality of the quality, you’ll see the quality of the beta ones but, but that doesn’t matter, the workouts are solid. And there’s six workouts there in that 30 Day Challenge. But there’s you know, there’s 27 When you finally get it in the end, and that’s just a tons of variety. And then you’ll also see all the different calendar so you can go with the original, you know, month one, two and three are then you can go to the burn and build ones that we had for the course of six months. And then now in July here we’ve got another brand new calendar. So we put up a new calendar every month, just to keep that you know that variety going.

Dr. Mindy
Yeah, it’s so brilliant. I’m so I, I’m so pleased to hear that you’re continuing to put out new products. And when you talked about the gymnastics, my brain went, Oh, there’s where the next the next couple of workouts are going to be have a gymnastic twist on it, I’m sure if that’s what you’re learning.

Tony Horton
Well, well the other thing too we’re doing is we’ve got we’re gonna train we’re gonna put out a new program, a mini program to some amazing clients, like we just shot to women’s the highest one is Chelsea, Chelsea McKinney, who’s the the gymnastics trainer. And she shot six workouts and that’ll be a 30 day program. And then we had her for two days. And then we brought in my buddy Ted McDonald, who if you have p90x Three or p90x Two, he did his his 30 Day Yoga program, which is a hell of a lot more than just yoga. It’s pretty amazing. I’m never gonna keep shooting, um, you know, I mean, just so there’s more content, you know, you know, and that’s the thing. I mean, you can work out with me or you can work out with these other great trainers, you can mix it all together, whatever you want to

Dr. Mindy
do. Amazing. I just love what you’re doing. And I’m so grateful to officially meet you. And thank you. And I can’t wait to dive into the power of four. I’m even thinking we have a membership group. And I’m thinking, gosh, we’re gonna look at the power of four as potentially doing it as a as a community because exercise should be done in a community, in my opinion. So

Tony Horton
you know, the power four is made up of four things, right? There’s nutrition, there’s exercise, there’s mindfulness and supplementation, that’s the, that’s the foundation of the whole thing. So there’s two mindfulness routines in there. You know, once a body scan was once a four by four breathing, and somebody’s trying to get my gait. I have no idea who that is. But, and so the other part of it is, is the supplementation and that’s my supplements so I would you know, if you want to check that out to my power life.com My power life.com And if you want anybody who’s part of your group, Tony 30 for the 30% off, beautiful, take advantage. Yeah, so I want to

Dr. Mindy
finish on this I asked all my guests this. Do you have a daily gratitude practice? And if so, what is it and what’s one thing you’re grateful for in this year? We’ve just come out of a lot of mumbling and grumbling from people what are what are you grateful for in 2022?

Tony Horton
Well, you know, I have a little spot in my backyard with an awning and I sit there every morning and have breakfast and make sure my dog Charlie is next to me. And whether it’s a shake or just something you know something like neezy it’s kind of a ritual for me because I pretty sick view in my backyard and I live in LA but we live up in the canyon in the hills and you can look at the city and it’s all trees and lions and tigers and bears Oh my and it’s kind of fun. So that’s that’s it and I’ll get out there and meditate you know for a bit and which I which I love to do. What was the second one? What was it

Dr. Mindy
that so what are you grateful for in this year, specifically in this day of age?

Tony Horton
I’m grateful for the relationship with my wife. My Shawna is just my best friend in the world. And we were saying up in Seattle at my cousin’s wedding, how much more in love we are than ever, which is like a weird it’s not supposed to go like that. But you know, I always tell Shawn, I go What’s up My job and she’ll say to make my life awesome, and that’s exactly what I do. I make it about her. And this comes from a pretty selfish son of a gun. So I’ve learned that giving you know, keeping her happy and healthy is what makes me happy and healthy. Amazing.

Dr. Mindy
Amazing. Well, again, I just want to thank you for revolutionising home workouts because I don’t know where I would have been without p90x and I’m like getting so excited to jump into the power of four.

Tony Horton
Yeah, check it out. I think you’ll enjoy it. I can’t wait to hear what you’re saying. Yeah,

Dr. Mindy
great. And next time I’m in LA, I’m coming to work out with you come to

Tony Horton
apply. Oh, come to one of them. You can come to anyone you like

Dr. Mindy
I love it. I love it. Thank you, Tony. Appreciate you. Thank you.